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 Working in Singapore v8, Tan vs Tan vs Tan vs Tan

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post Sep 11 2011, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Sep 11 2011, 01:00 AM)
Heck, future jobs seekers got affected by those "unskilled workers" attitudes. That ain't fair
I feel it's not our East Malaysians who are the issue. But the millions of "new" ones ie. the Muslim/Malay Filipinas and Indons given ICs and passports by the govt to dilute the non-Malay, non-Muslim majority there. Just my hunch, but I think the SG govt got a lot of redflags for extremist or radical links when they finally ran detail screening on them. So they blacklisted the entire geography.

In your application, I'd reckon you should be very detailed on your background and family history (ideally Chinese, non-Muslim, mainstream educated).
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This was posted less than 2 weeks ago on Linkedin. If you ever wanted to work in Google, this is your chance.

Financial Analyst - Singapore
Google - Singapore
This position is based in Singapore
The area: Financial Planning and Analysis
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Sep 11 2011, 03:38 PM)
To be honest, to join these kind of companies, u need to have some sort of relationship to the staff in there. Either the Finance Manager or Financial Controller knows your performance and attitude or your ex-peer/ex-classmate is your best friend who will recommends you directly.

Otherwise, it will be really really difficult to join these sort of companies. At many of times, I see many applicants only manage to secure a position into a public listed company (not even the 30 Constituents Companies in the STI) or just a SME (especially those 1st timer Malaysians coming to Singapore to earn a living).

It is like striking a Special price in 4D if you are able to join a MNC and a 1st prize in 4D if you are able to join Google, Facebook Inc, Shell, ExxonMobil, SPC, MAS etc.
I don't believe so.

They are quite clear on the profile of who they want. Most companies are much less descriptive with their JDs:

1. You are a top academic performer seantang: You should have a first class, distinction degree, scholarship etc. Something tangible that details your grades vs your cohort

2. with a wide variety of extracurricular interests and seantang: King scout, accomplished writer, state/national level sportsperson, actor, debater etc

3. the desire to excel in everything you do. seantang: IMHO, is how often you got promoted or increased responsibility in your previous work

4. can "crunch the numbers" one minute seantang: show technical experience

5. critically think through strategic issues.seantang: show business partnering experience

6. At least 3 years of analytical work experience, in consulting, investment banking or equivalent.seantang: already tells you exactly which sector they are looking to source from

7. Superior Microsoft Excel modeling skills (pivot tables, macros etc.) together with strong database experience (e.g. SQL, MS Access etc.)seantang: already tells you the exact technical skills they want

IMHO, even if you know someone there, if your profile doesn't check off most of these tick boxes, you're not going to get in. On the other hand, if you don't know anyone but can check off most or all of these, you will get an interview.

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Sep 11 2011, 04:22 PM)
No, if someone recommends you directly, ur chance for an interview will be increased tremendously.
Not if you don't meet the requirements in the first place.

And let's be honest... for the type of profile that Google's looking for... there will be very few people who will happen to know someone suitable to be recommended, much less if they depend on recommendations from existing employees.

That's why I believe for jobs like these, Google are actually looking for as many people to come forward as possible.

About a year or two ago, Google was looking for a FP&A Director (probably the hiring manager for this role). I heard it was a S$350K job. They advertised repeatedly for 6-9 months. I think their standards were very high, and they stuck to it even though they obviously had a shortage of qualified candidates.

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Sep 11 2011, 09:13 PM)
From my experience, the only sure way of getting hired through network is that the hiring manager knows you personally. i.e. your future immediate boss.
That way even if you do not tick most of the box, at the end of the day, its the hiring manager (i.e. your direct supervisor) that has to make a decision whether he can work with you or not. The rest like HR, etc do not care.
This almost never happens where I am. Namely because it's never the sole decision of the hiring manager. For graduate hires, it's 99% of the time a committee decision... usually comprising the hiring mgr, 2nd level mgr, geographic manager and relevant business or functional manager. That's why it's never possible to hire a candidate whose profile doesn't tick all (or most of) the boxes. Someone's bound to question your judgement.

In fact the managers involved make it a point to remove themselves from the decision making process if they know the external candidate.

I see very, very little "influence" being exerted for external candidates. The chances of being implicated in a 1800-Ethicsline free call is too great for any manager to risk. Nobody also wants to be left holding the baby/blame (as the guy who pushed for the hire) if the new hire turns out to be a failure.

Where a lot of influence comes to bear is internal hires, role changes and promotions.

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QUOTE(Aloong @ Sep 12 2011, 11:47 AM)
That may be true, but from my opinion, that way it's is not very effective.

I still think it's best to leave 75% of the decision to the hring manager, except on cost related issues. The committee can set a list of objective benchmark (education, experience, etc), while the subjective let the hiring manager decide.
It's a classic dichotomy of how to manage a MNC. Localisation or centralisation. Global organisation or holding company concept. Take your pick. Each are very effective in their own way.
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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Sep 12 2011, 01:05 PM)
I cannot comment for your company but from where i come from, ultimately the responsibility of performance (whether for the supervisor or his subordinates) falls firmly on the shoulders of the supervisor himself. Therefore he is given the opportunity to hire his own staff with the implicit understanding that he (and his team) will deliver the promised results. HR's involvement is purely customary.
This is very rare in any MNC that wants to build a strong corporate culture. What you described inevitably results in cliques (best case) or empire-building (worst case).

And in a matrix organisation (common for many MNCs), each employee has to work with many stakeholders apart from his supervisor and immediate team. In many cases, the supervisor is merely a people leader who leverages members of his team to business, functional or geographic units/organisations. The "buying" business, functional or geographic manager of course has a say in the hiring, as they'll be paying for it.
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Back in KL now. First time back since 2008.
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 03:52 PM)
I got an offer with a singaporean co. but I will be working at bintan, indonesia. The downside is they are going to apply for me indonesia work visa. So I am not sure whether is a good offer or not?
Why is that a downside? Don't you need an Indonesian work visa to work in Bintan?

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 07:18 PM)
I was hoping for EP visa...so that I can apply PR in future...aih...maybe I should demand for higher pay!
You want to be an Indonesian PR?
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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 11:17 PM)
Of cuz not!I wanna get SG PR lar..
Then why are you working in Indonesia?

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Sep 14 2011, 11:24 PM)
The company is shifting the operation to indonesia to cut cost...so I will transferred to there
Since you'll be transferred to Indonesia, why would Singapore give you a work permit or PR?

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QUOTE(Supreme Allied Commander @ Sep 18 2011, 01:35 PM)
ont say like that , i wanna sell my car liao u interested ?
Is it a beemer? Could you PM me the model, year of manufacture, years of COE remaining and mileage? And of course, what's your asking price.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Sep 20 2011, 01:46 PM)
deposit rate pa will drop to 0.05% effective 14 oct 2011 for POSB, should i keep my money in singapore or else?
I put most of my rainy day cash in CIMB. The Starsaver account pays 0.8% on the entire balance, no service fees, no drop below fees... only one condition, you need to deposit $500 each month or the interest rate drops to 0.5% (still higher than anything the big3 can offer). It's got free cheques and the lowest fees (to my knowledge) if you deposit forex cheques as well.

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Sep 20 2011, 03:34 PM)
nice info.thanks. but one thing, how do u deposit 500 each month without incurring extra GIRO/IBG charges and without any hassle (go to orchard /raffles place CIMB bank to deposit every month)?
GIRO is free.

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Sep 20 2011, 04:38 PM)
the only place worth putting in yr money in SG in Real Estate. The rest are crap. FD - crap interest rates, Bonds - crap coupon rates, equities - volatile, unit trust - volatile....
blink.gif The whole purpose of having cash for a rainy day is so that you don't have to liquidate your investments and disrupt the compounding, when it begins to rain. And if you are going to hold some cash anyway, why not get the highest return you can for it?

Unless of course, you don't want to hold any cash and reckon it's a good idea to sell your flat (or use it as collateral) to buy food when you get retrenched.
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Sep 21 2011, 06:27 PM)
Bloomberg's pantry is like 7 eleven. and the best part is, its all FREE.
Is that because they expect you to stay back after hours a lot, work shifts or support overseas working hours?

And where's the office? Is it far from amenities? My company's Orchard Rd office pantry has only milo, nescafe and tea bags but there's a shopping center, food courts and restaurant hub in the floors below. The pantry in our Tuas lab however is stocked like a bomb shelter because it's a 45m walk from the nearest bus stop, or for that matter any amenity.

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Sep 21 2011, 10:33 PM)
My panty only got water. So poor lah.
Your panty ah? Got water some more?... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Sep 21 2011, 11:09 PM)
p/s: Water in panty is gross. Really.
Got solids/pepejal better? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(yinyum @ Sep 23 2011, 11:23 PM)
I'm looking for both personality and money, ho mei?  wink.gif
Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting your cake and eating it too. Just hope Mr Personality and Money is looking for you too.


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