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post Sep 2 2011, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 2 2011, 03:00 PM)
Joey, sometimes, there are lots of things which to me, dont even make sense or sometimes i can say it as ridculous, but it is practised in such a manner. But, to respect them, we follows what they practise. Anyway, it is not too hard for us to keeping with their way.

I believe you are staying in Malaysia. May i suggest that you travel a bit more to learn more what the local culture is all about. Seeing new things and different life style can be exciting and adventrous as well, however i do not mean that there will be lots of culture shock to be unearthed for you.  biggrin.gif
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Tigerr,

<<i can say it as ridculous, but it is practised in such a manner. But, to respect them, we follows what they practise. Anyway, it is not too hard for us to keeping with their way. >>

WHY?? Respect is a TWO way street.

My family had been in Klang for 150+ years. What RESPECT did we get?? We were FORCED out of our jobs and businesses. WE are the LOCAL CULTURE.

Joey's family had been in Malaysia even longer. What RESPECT did his / her culture get??

This is THE PROBLEM!!

We are a MULTI-CULTURAL society. We are NOT a single culture society. Nobody should FORCE anybody to follow their practice.

<<I believe you are staying in Malaysia. May i suggest that you travel a bit more to learn more what the local culture is all about. >>

IMHO, YOU are the one that is CLUELESS..

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post Sep 2 2011, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(samurai7 @ Sep 2 2011, 07:16 PM)
Manusia mana pernah cukup....
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samurai7,

That is NOT the problem.

If a person is willing to put in the EFFORT to get what they want, more power to them.

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Added on September 2, 2011, 8:01 pm
QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 2 2011, 11:17 AM)
Dreamer, again you have exercise your point of view will supercede any others. As i said which i believe you didnt even read carefully or attentatively, that (1) to use a bakuteh shop at a muslim area is not a logical example and (2)  i have mentioned that if the shop is opened at a chinese community.

Again to answer your examples on airline....

There is no right or wrong answer here. Of course there are one answer seems more logical to be chosen.

A) move to other countries, how to guarantee that you will become very successful and rich by choosing this option? To enable you to become very successful and rich, it is not just choice of employment, dedication towards your job, performance, right opportunity, etc etc plays a big part in it.

B) Start over in other IT area? Means have to go down to basic again as previous experience is not relevant, how many people will choose this? Even those who choose this, how far can they go and time is limited as they may be too old in the industry. Even if some may become successful, but how many % can really achieve that?

C) Stay back, although not much chance of going further up, but this will provide you with a stable income and some assurance that you still can bring food home to feed your family. Isnt that you said complain worth nothing if you cannot bring food home? YOu dont feel suprise that many will stay on as they are reluctant to venture out and are too comfortable at their job. Try read the book "who move my cheese", it tells us to move on and do not sit back. why? because many people are sitting back.

Hope you treat this as friendly discussion and do not feel offended with the way i respond to u.  tongue.gif
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Tigerr,

Yes, there is RISK in (A). Now, if somebody choose © aka a SAFER choice, should that person WHINE when people choosing (A) is more successful?? People that choose (A) took the RISK. They are NOT willing to settle for LESS.

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post Sep 2 2011, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 2 2011, 08:41 PM)
can we get back on topic? unsure.gif
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dafreak,

MY POINT which somebody keep on diverting away from is this.

If a person is FACED with an environment that WILL NOT utlized his / her capability,

A) It is UP to the person to find out and realize that this is what he faced with.

B) Figured out whether it is WORTHWHILE for the person to wait this out.

C) Or, take a risk and move to somewhere else.


Whining about WHY the world / environment will not change for him is USELESS.

If the person CHOOSE to stay in that environment, do not WHINE if some other people that move away is successful.

The UNFORTUNATE part of this is YOU as an individual has to figure this out whether this ENVIRONMENT is fixable. YOU are bearing the RISK of this decision.

In many ways, this is SIMILAR in dating and investing in any long term relationship.

A person NEEDS to put a limit on how long that him / her is willing to stay in a unrewarding environment / situation. Or else, it will be TOO LATE. A person has LIMITED lifespan and energy to be wasted...

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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 2 2011, 08:35 PM)
Fine... I agree if I bring pork to eat in front of them.

What if they bring themselves in front of my pork? Do I put away my pork because they've arrived, or should they go somewhere else away from my pork?

Like Dreamer said, respect is a 2 way street.

I respect you by offering to compromising. You respect me by refusing my offer. Then each of us do our own thing, on our own time, with our own money. We both go out of our way to avoid each other. Alternatively, we can take turns compromising.

Respect is when we allow each other space to do our own thing.
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seantang,

To show the hypocrisy of this kind of problem,

Most Indians are vegetarian. Why nobody THINK about it might be OFFENSIVE to them for people to eat meat in front of them?? WHY they have to TOLERATE everyone else??

Some people WANT others to tolerate them. But, they REFUSE to tolerate OTHERS.

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 2 2011, 10:14 PM
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post Sep 3 2011, 03:58 AM

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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 2 2011, 10:54 PM)
so the main point is how you use/utilise what you have/around you, not ask/wish for what's not there?

if you are able to do that = above average?

im sure not all 'average' people whines, they just wont step out of their comfort zone << so are those "average"

p/s: as pointed out, respect is a two way street and let's get back on topic tongue.gif
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dafreak,

No, that is ONE of the 3 items.

Go back and read the first post of this thread.

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post Sep 3 2011, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 3 2011, 08:27 AM)
This is true enough.. Until know I'm still thinking how to become ABOVE AVERAGE.. I would like to be someone that my company can't find replacement for my place.. You know what I mean..?

Until now I'm still thinking HOW..?
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mieza,

<<I would like to be someone that my company can't find replacement for my place..>>

Wrong idea!!!

1) If you cannot be replaced, that means you CANNOT BE PROMOTED. Are you HAPPY to do the SAME JOB and get the SAME PAY forever??

2) Why be DEPENDENT on one company?? What if the company gone to hell??

<<Until know I'm still thinking how to become ABOVE AVERAGE..>>

3) What had you DONE to be BETTER everyday??

4) What is YOUR PLAN to improve yourself everyday??

Dreamer

P.S.: I worked to be replaceable everyday. All my old task are documented and can be done by someone else. Hence, I am FREE to LEARN and DO NEW THING. Meanwhile, everyone else are STUCK doing the SAME OLD THING for many many years...

Do you SEE the difference in MENTALITY??

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 3 2011, 09:01 AM
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 3 2011, 10:19 AM)
Not totally correct too. It's possible for people to create the dependency to the extend the company have to promote him/her in order to keep him/her.
What is your view on this?
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arthurlwf,

1) What if the company DO NOT SURVIVE?? I had seen too many companies come and gone to count on this.

2) I prefer STRATEGY that improve your CAPABILITY so that you can go ANYWHERE and PROSPER.

Now, I would like YOU to explain / describe / illustrate what kind of DEPENDENCY that will not prevent a person from GROWING and DOING new thing?? I cannot think of one so far..

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post Sep 3 2011, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 3 2011, 11:07 AM)
If old task is wasting your time then it is better to give someone else.. BUT you need some skills that makes you cannot be replaced by anyone else..

Or else be prepared to be replace n kick out by company..
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mieza,

<<BUT you need some skills that makes you cannot be replaced by anyone else.. >>

In my opinion, if a person can find and solve problem that PROFIT people greatly, they can create job for themselves.

My skill is the ability to solve very tough technical problem in my specialty.

<<Or else be prepared to be replace n kick out by company..>>

In my experience / journey, most companies do not last long enough for that to mean much to me.

I normally fire my employer than the other way around.

I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years...

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post Sep 3 2011, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 3 2011, 04:06 PM)
Please stop this misunderstanding. I'm not trying to be indispensable. I'm trying to be someone that you can't find replacement for my place. The idea is once I go, you can't find no other like me. It is not the same anymore.

Lets say for example, you can't find replacement for Dr.Mahathir. Even someone take over his place, everything is not the same anymore. Only someone that better than he is can make the different.

Got the picture..?
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mieza,

Yes, he is NOT easily replaceable. Nobody else could had done more damage to Malaysia than he did. You will have a life time trying to fix what he had done... Then, you could continue to praise him.

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post Sep 3 2011, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 3 2011, 07:35 PM)
That is just an example.. To be honest I'm not praise him and currently there is someone had done more damage than he did..
ps/: I'm hapy to live in Selangor coz I don't have to pay bills.. if you know what I mean..
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mieza,

Do not mention that name in this thread. I do not look KINDLY on people that FORCED my family and friend out of their jobs and businesses over this past 30+ years.

How do you FEEL if someone else did this to your family and friends??

Dreamer

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post Sep 3 2011, 09:13 PM

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Folks,

Story:

I have PTPTN loan, car loan, and housing loan. Most of my monthly income went into the loan payment. I am slave to the bank. Most of my earning went to the bank.


Reaction of "Can Whine" people

That sounds like me. I cannot do ANYTHING about this. This is so UNFAIR. They should do something to the bank.


Reaction of "Can Do" people.

Level 1 Thinking

I should not do THE SAME as people in this story. Then, I do not need to suffer.

A) Look like it is NOT a good idea to have all 3 loans at the same time.

B) Make sure that most of my monthly income do not go into loan payment. Study what is the safe margin in term of monthly payment.

Level 2 Thinking

How can I PROFIT from this average aka typical people behavior?? Bank must be making a lot of money. Which bank counter should I buy in order to make the most money??


"Can Whine" people are SLAVE to the bank. They pay the bank.

"Can Do" people OWN the bank. Bank pay them.

So, over the long run, which kind of people will become poorer?? Which kind of people will become richer??

It is the MENTALITY!!

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 3 2011, 09:13 PM
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 3 2011, 09:50 PM)
If things keep going like this how average people want to climb higher..?

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mieza,

Average people keep this government in power. They get what they deserved. Justice is served.

YOUR QUESTION is do you want to suffer like AVERAGE PEOPLE or step outside the box.

Dreamer

P.S.: Stop thinking like a VICTIM!! Ask what you "Can Do" about this??

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 3 2011, 10:18 PM
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 3 2011, 10:17 PM)
So many average people can whine because they are slave to the bank, only rich people cannot whine. I wonder how much is the salary to own the bank and how long to reach there? What if family are poor and money pay to help younger brother & sister? Old parent who retired but don't have income and carry illness? The place they stay is rented and don't make enough to accumulate the down payment to buy own house? What if relative need financial assistance?

What can you do if in the above situation to become rich?
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3dassets,

You have to ask the question - "What if". I don't. I came from a VERY POOR STARVING family. So, what does this say about YOU??

Dreamer

P.S.: People that are VERY POOR do not have the LUXURY to WHINE. They either FIGHT to survive or STARVE. You cannot WHINE on empty stomach. You are TOO BUSY trying to find some food by some mean.

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post Sep 3 2011, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 3 2011, 10:56 PM)
The "what if" apply to the silent group and you don't know how many of them, compared to those who can afford to whine and not doing enough. I don't think these modern whiners will help themselves unless something happen that force them to take action.

My parent are poor until we moved to KL and in 10 years, my parent become middle class but bankrupt because my father got his mistress pregnant and business collapse selling everything, my aunt from Singapore took over the house loan and became hers by agreement.

You are reluctant to answer my previous questions because you aren't always right and I am not wrong to tell what you don't know, what does that say about me? Are you disappointed I interrupt your teaching? The world is not the way you describe it.
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3dassets,

Bingo!! In summary, you asked "What if" because you are NOT from POOR STARVING family.

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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 3 2011, 11:35 PM)


"Level 2 thinking" as you call it, is just too absurd/farfetched/impractical

OWN the bank? If everyone were to be able to have this thinking imagine how many Tom d*** & Harry OWNs a bank? shakehead.gif

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dafreak,

<<OWN the bank? If everyone were to be able to have this thinking imagine how many Tom d*** & Harry OWNs a bank? shakehead.gif >>

How many people own PBBank stock??

And, do Bank pay dividend to their share holders??

You only need RM1,500 or less to get one lot of PBBank stock.

Is that FARFETCHED?? Is that ABSURD??

AVERAGE people can ONLY think of paying the bank. Cannot think of how to get the Bank to pay them.

What is STOPPING you here??

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post Sep 4 2011, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 4 2011, 12:05 AM)

Without Mahathir bringing up the economy back in 80s and 90s....do you think he can have such an opportunity to find good employerment and have the chance to make the money? After getting to where he is now, he start to blame.....my goodness.... rclxub.gif

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Tigerr,

Hell, yes.

You will be paying the price for what TDM done in 80s and 90s for a long long time. You will find out soon enough.....

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post Sep 4 2011, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 4 2011, 12:55 AM)
Applying what you keep saying here,

(A) continue to whine how much the damage that we going to pay. Do nothing.

(B) Find out what to do in order not to be burden

© Move to other place so that you can keep your wealth and be very rich on other country.

So, why waste energy here. What has been done by Mahathir has been done, he is not Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein, nor he is Lee Kuan Yew. U have a choice by staying in Texas after your graduation and i believe your life could have been 1000 times better than now.

Dont misunderstand me as i am not one who support Mahathir here.
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Tigerr,

<< Applying what you keep saying here,

(A) continue to whine how much the damage that we going to pay. Do nothing.

(B) Find out what to do in order not to be burden

© Move to other place so that you can keep your wealth and be very rich on other country.>>

Bingo!! What do you THINK I do??

<<So, why waste energy here.>>

This is NOT RWI.. This is jobs and career forum . Stop bringing TDM here.

We are discussing how to SURVIVE if the environment turn hostile to you.

We DO NOT CARE about the politic. We CARE about how INDIVIDUAL can prosper and survive.

Dreamer

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post Sep 4 2011, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 4 2011, 01:01 AM)
This country is filled with corrupted politicians and wasn't entirely Tun M's fault that wasted the advantages, the kind of political stability does provide a conducive environment for businesses to strive and are taken advantage of also abused. Since this topic chant mind over matters, one should find ways to overcome policies or restrictions and absolutely no excuse in dreamer101's term and he become rich.

So, need to bother about NEP and such? Dreamer101, tell us how you defy and triumph rather than an obstacle to investment, show us by example how to overcome those policies so that young people who don't understand what NEP means and won't matter to average people can avoid the shit hole.
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3dassets,

The WORLD / ENVIRONMENT will not change for YOU. YOU have to ADAPT and SURVIVE. Or, change your environment.

I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years. I changed country, industry, and employer as needed in order to MAXIMIZE my earning potential.

Do not HOPE and PRAY that things will be better. Take the INITIATIVE to make it better.

I make sure that my contacts, social network, and skill are PORTABLE globally.

I no longer dependent on any single country and industry for my survival.

Dreamer
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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 4 2011, 01:35 AM)
seriously you expect seasoned/experienced people like 3dassets, tigerr (just judging from their comments) to believe this?

you keep REPEATING the same story of you changing >10jobs blah blah, but yet you fail to state what kind of jobs/industry/duration for each job

it's just too VAGUE

please, if you dont mind, we love some MORE details not in general notworthy.gif
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dafreak,

WHAT do we TEACH in this thread??

"Can Do" attitude. Ask what you "Can DO" to find out!! Stop WAITING for answer.

If you are MOTIVATED to know DETAILS of what I do, a simple search will do plenty for you. I had 10K+ posts on lowyat forum.

Start practicing what you learn..

Dreamer


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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 4 2011, 01:37 AM)
If you ask me, i dont have an answer. However, i do support NEP
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Tigerr,

<<However, i do support NEP>>

Do YOU support forcing people out of their jobs and businesses because of their skin color??

Yes or no.

Essentially, when you say that you support NEP, that means you say Yes to the question above.

So, be VERY CAREFUL as to what you are talking about.

Dreamer


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post Sep 4 2011, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 4 2011, 01:59 AM)
Dreamer, again, you did not read properly my message. I do support NEP, but the NEP was implemented badly and being abused. If the NEP was implemented in a proper way, perhaps the outcome could be different. However, NEP shall have a timeline as well.


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Tigerr,

In less than 5 years, NEP will be gone. Whoever supported or profited from NEP will be punished by God / Karma. There is NO ESCAPE.

Hence, it is no longer necessary to talk about NEP. Justice will be served. God / Karma do exist.

Whoever help and / or support FORCING people out of their jobs and businesses due to their skin colors will face the SAME suffering of losing their jobs and / or business. There is NO ESCAPE.

Dreamer

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