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Darkmage12
post Apr 29 2006, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Apr 28 2006, 11:04 PM)
I got unsuccessful balloting  sad.gif 
but managed to get some intraday profit on listing day  tongue.gif

u still holding ?
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ya ya but dunno wan to sell or not
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post Apr 29 2006, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 28 2006, 11:23 PM)
As expected, the SSF trading is extreme quiet, the hottest is just merely around 40 lots changing hand. The trading volume needs to be increased in order to attract some investors to play with it.
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its just the first day,most people will hold back and observe how the market performs.A lot of them are afraid of being raped by the price fluctuation.
Give it a week or two,then we shall see how well the SSF performs.

The most active counter yesterday is airasia,because it is cheap lol.
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post May 1 2006, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Apr 29 2006, 08:50 AM)
ya ya but dunno wan to sell or not
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hmm..maybe take up the profit first then buy again...IMO it's good for long term investment
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post May 1 2006, 11:48 PM

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Sell it or not, it depends how individual strategy is. Some may go for long term some may just short term. But remember to distinguish out between your long term and short term strategy. A lot of retailers don't know to distinguish out between speculating and investing that end up full of rubbish shares in hand.

It is fine for individual to chase some speculating stocks when market is 'hot' time to try their luck and gain some money but if the market is going against and drop then should quickly get rid of it and cut loss, no point holding it and hopeful it will back in one day which most of the time might not be. If doing it, then you are converting speculating purpose into investment which is a big no no.

Btw, I am not familiar with the THplant nor doing research on it, so no comment on it.

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post May 2 2006, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(dEviLs @ May 1 2006, 09:46 PM)
hmm..maybe take up the profit first then buy again...IMO it's good for long term investment
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take up profit is sell now first then wait it to drop and then buy again?
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post May 3 2006, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 27 2006, 09:25 AM)
Alamak, i was trying to *focus* on UT investment mah. Now everything messed up liao lar, you shouldn't put duck egg, chicken egg, ostrich egg together one... anyhow...

Part 3:

Different UT have different risk profile, namely aggressive, moderate and conservative. Over the long terms, all the UT are the same. But different customer hv different taste of UT.

Conservative funds is the one you guys said slooow funds, it is pretty much nearly risk free because the UT is invested in bond, money market, dept...(not sure what are these). Its graph usually a near linear upward trend so it can be considered as a fixed income UT. But remember, low risk is also a risk. Nothing is garenteed. This funds is perhaps suitable to retired old folks who wish to use their retired money wisely, they couldn't take too much risk and prefer to have a FD style income. Also, conservative funds (bond funds) usually have lower service charge and annual fees, and they grow slowly.

Agressive funds! Agressive means straight away pump up 6 zerglings and rush them to your opponent's base while you preparing the hydra... okay, cut the crap, one direct way to reconize this is from graph, agressive funds move up and down a lot. They said youngsters like you and me would prefer agressive funds, coz young ppl dun hv heart attack, can take bigger risk... haha, the last part was just my own interpretation, dun take it seriously. Since move up and down a lot, you have to monitor the funds closely, because you might have a change to earn profit in as short as two months period. Yup, agresive funds is more alive. Yet still safer then playing real stock la.

Moderate funds is basically half conservative and half agressive. It is suitable for most people, your whole family from atuk to adik, nenek to cucu. So, basically when a UT agent approach you, they will promote a moderate risk fund(suitable for all) and a newly lunched fund(new mahh) to you. I dont think that they know too much about stock market(not their field anyway) and what is inside these funds because their main aim is get your cheque. So self study is also important, in each UT company you can get their prospectus for free, it is a nice piece of booklet which contain all their UT profile.

(Below) Conservative, nearly linear curve, steady flow of cash to your coffer!



(Below) Agressive! According to below you can earn 9% in 2 months(dun forget to deduct the 6% service charge dulu, so 3%) and lose 7% in 4 months(add the 6% service charge too happy.gif) But over long term still can grow.


(Below)Moderate funds, not easy nor difficult. Less heart attack causing spike and yet still have some fun turbulence.


Credit to: Public Mutual, in case someone dunno which is the biggest and oldest UT company in M'sia, this is the big guy.

Add: you can spot some history in the graph too, for example, our beloved Datin Seri Endon(badawi wife) passed away on 20th Oct 2005, did you notice a slight drop on October 2005 on the agressive fund? But the conservative fund still steadily gain a little bit day by day, thats what we call steady income fund.

Btw, in case your guys spot any error or missed out any points pls correct me biggrin.gif
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StarCraft!! Whut if i gamble build straight 6 muta n rush ur base with zealots only?
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Theres unit trust that generates low riskm constant 12% rite? would it be wise to get a loan from a bank and invest?

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post May 3 2006, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(koopa @ May 3 2006, 12:30 AM)
StarCraft!! Whut if i gamble build straight 6 muta n rush ur base with zealots only?
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Theres unit trust that generates low riskm constant 12% rite?


Well.. there're unit trusts that generate 12% (or more or less) but I've yet to see anything with any guaranteed sort of percentage smile.gif

QUOTE(koopa @ May 3 2006, 12:30 AM)
would it be wise to get a loan from a bank and invest?


Not likely. The bank will probably charge you more than 12% pa.

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post May 3 2006, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(koopa @ May 3 2006, 12:30 AM)
Theres unit trust that generates low riskm constant 12% rite? would it be wise to get a loan from a bank and invest?
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No fund can guarantee whatever amount of returns.
When market good time, every fund can easily hit double digit return but market down time, it also making losses. Unit trust cannot be called low risk, it is medium risk since it is exposed to the market condition but it depends on the nature of the fund also whether it is bond type, property or equity.

Getting a loan to invest is a big no no, you will double your lost when market down time since the interest is a big burden.
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wuah, a lot of investment experts here... invest in World Cup 2006 good no?
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QUOTE(Acey @ May 3 2006, 09:37 PM)
wuah, a lot of investment experts here... invest in World Cup 2006 good no?
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This is not called investmnet but gambling is a better word, not the same icon_idea.gif

Regarding the SSF, apart from the first day of trading, there is almost no trading at all, with that kind of response, suspect it is doom. But to be fair should give a few month time to see then. It is actually quite a good product but with low response and low liquidity in the SSF, most investor would rather invest into the stocks. Also, there is only a few securities provided real time qoute which also a factor that hinders the growth of SSF.
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post May 5 2006, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Acey @ May 3 2006, 09:37 PM)
wuah, a lot of investment experts here... invest in World Cup 2006 good no?
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i think this is more like betting
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post May 6 2006, 12:32 PM

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Anyone here invested the "ING AsiaPac Capital Guaranteed Fund"? It sounds very promising.. biggrin.gif
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post May 6 2006, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(hfmea @ May 6 2006, 12:32 PM)
Anyone here invested the "ING AsiaPac Capital Guaranteed Fund"? It sounds very promising.. biggrin.gif
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can u give us more details?
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post May 6 2006, 11:41 PM

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anyone notice the SSF currently is half dead?

lol...all the big hoo haa before it was launch,and look at the current state now.
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post May 7 2006, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(hfmea @ May 6 2006, 12:32 PM)
Anyone here invested the "ING AsiaPac Capital Guaranteed Fund"? It sounds very promising.. biggrin.gif
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I thought so too until I got the prospectus. They said there if the USD/MYR rate goes down, you're not going to make a lot. The USD/MYR rate (currently at 3.60) is forecast to drop, so now I don't know if that's a good idea.

What's an SSF ?

EDIT : Found the brochure. It says :

"Investors may receive low or even sero performance bonus.. if the USD/MYR exchange rate moves against the indices."

Not too long ago it was 3.80.. then it was 3.70... now it's 3.60. Is it a good time ? I don't know.

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SSF - Single Stock Futures

The TM's Futures hasn't been recording a single contract until now. Daily trading is less than 10 contract most of the time. With that kind of low liquidity, it is not wise to trade with since you will have difficulty to get out of the market. Until now, the KLCI futures is the only futures product that can be called successful apart from the CPO. Others are just merely 'show-off' only.

Btw, the 'goreng' has been excessive in the market, better be carefuly. There is no real serious foreign investors into the market since blue chips and large caps mostly quite quiet. The market is full of punters and some hedge funds with hot money to take advantage of both appreciation ringgit and 'goreng' activities.

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post May 9 2006, 12:05 PM

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any investment are very aggresive at M'sia ?

UT ? public seem good wor got any else ?
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Hello everyone,

I am with Public Mutual dealing with unit trust. If your guys are really interested, it cannot be explain within this forum.

My office is at Cheras Business Centre. And we do conduct free training for people who are interested ... either as an investment or as a unit trust consultant (i.e. you can also earn extra income).

To be a unit trust consultant, you must have SPM and must be above 21 years old. Of course you will have to sit for an exam (which is pretty easy).

Interested then PM me. We can discuss from there.

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SSF... The bidding and offering prices are too far apart. Underlying stock doesn't fluctuate much as well. My clients were like "We'll see how it goes." So basically, everyone is saying the same thing. Probably through settlement we will see some slight increase of volume but not much. I'm looking forward to the FTSE indices though.

Anyone knows SBB Mutual well? Like its standing within the unit trust industry in Malaysia? How their products fare? Was it affected by the merging and so forth?

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