QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Sep 18 2006, 06:42 PM)
ya...today FAIR got 10 lots traded...first trade in more than a month Investment (Local and International), Everything About Investment
Investment (Local and International), Everything About Investment
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Sep 18 2006, 09:11 PM
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Sep 18 2006, 11:23 PM
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Sep 19 2006, 09:55 AM
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Most malaysian traders still had a hard time grasping the futures concept,and some of the SSF counter's margin is more expensive compared to the FKLI and FCPO.
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Sep 19 2006, 02:02 PM
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Sep 19 2006, 03:11 PM
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arlo every1...im here to share some info wit u guys...
im not so turst on investment bcoz investment is usually sometimes depen on luck... if u invest some money on it u need to care it much coz it sometimes will face suffer a loss n sometimes it will earn... how if u loss money on ur invest? so i din invest anything b4... and now my boss is doing a Saving Plan which is organizes by Allianz company and Bank negara malaysia. Let say u save RM50k in this Saving Plan, after 10 years u can get back around RM100k++. If after 10years u don wan take the money out, u can left, n if more 10 years, tat means 20 years u can get back around RM200K If u save on this plan u also will get a free life. the value of Life is depen on how much u save... Let say if economy getting worse after 10years, u no need sked about pay more on the saving plan, bcoz at the beginning of saving, we will ask u to sign a policy state tat even economy have any change in tis 10years, v also won charge u more or less, tat means u save RM50k then jus pay RM50K even economy getting worse...is slidely difference with other company saving plan. and the interest on this saving plan is currently higher then FD,bank saving plan, insurance saving plan and many more... even some insurance n bank employer(v cant state which company izit) also saving thier money on this plan... so u can c how worth izit tis plan... sometimes ppl will care after 10years will the company still b ther... i cant guarantee, but wat is can says is tis plan is organise by Bank Negara n Allianz company, Allianz is the Top 10 insurance company around the world and Bank Negara, every1 also know tat bank negara is an important bank in malaysia, so v no need to sked cant get back our money... ![]() and the best thing of this plan is u can use this saving plan resit to put on ur account tat will submit to goverment. Mostly v will recommand for ppl who wan to invest/ who wan to save money for ur future/ who wan to save money for thier children future/ Many investers also transfer some of thier money into this plan A brief summaries -guarantee get back 2x money after 10years -No need pay more or less even economy getting worse -Free Life ( i forget free which 1 dy) -Strong company background(Bank Negara/Allianz) -High interest -No need to face any loss -a better thing than invest if u guys interested or wan to know more detials,pls call my boss at Century Pioneer Company - MDRT 012-9876860 This post has been edited by kevinchlee: Sep 19 2006, 04:02 PM |
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Sep 19 2006, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Sep 19 2006, 02:02 PM) FKLI - Future of Kuala Lumpur composite indexFCPO - Future of Crude Palm Oil Eg. FKLI Sep, if you buy it let say today 956 then at the end of last trading day (sept) the index settle at 970 then you gain 14 points - each point worth RM50 so 14x50 = RM700. On the other hand if you sell it at 956 then you lose the Rm700 before commission charges. But if index plunge to 900 then the person sell first one will gain 56 points. You can also trade Dec contract or 2007 March one. The beauty of futures is you can trade both way either up or down unlike share only upwards you can gain. Basically it is somehow more like speculation rather than investment and it is a zero sum game, a person gain money surely got one opposite person lose. But sometimes it can be a good tool of hedging/protecting you shareholding -> much more complicated already so not elaborated it here, long story |
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Sep 19 2006, 05:15 PM
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yup...some fund managers uses the futures as a hedging tool,to shift the price risk.
anyway,the group that is responsible for the iris,mobif and a couple of stocks' astronomical price move is finally revealed. QUOTE Aeneas Hedge Fund Faces Probes in U.S and Malaysia By Otis Bilodeau and Katherine Burton Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Aeneas Capital Management LP, the hedge fund company run by former SAC Capital Advisors LLC money manager Thomas Grossman, is under investigation by regulators in the U.S. and Malaysia after bets on Malaysian stocks caused losses of about 60 percent in one of its funds, people familiar with the situation said. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is examining Aeneas to determine whether it broke any securities laws, three people with direct knowledge of the inquiry said. In Kuala Lampur, Aeneas is being probed for potential stock manipulation, said the people, who declined to be identified because the investigations aren't yet public. Aeneas, which managed as much as $400 million and invested mostly in emerging markets, highlights the risks of funds that make concentrated bets and don't have to make routine disclosures with regulators. More than 500 hedge funds have shut in the past two years, according to data compiled by Chicago- based Hedge Fund Research Inc. Altogether, they've caused less disruption to global markets than the collapse of Greenwich, Connecticut-based Long-Term Capital Management LP in 1998. Malaysia's market regulator, the Securities Commission, said in an e-mailed response to questions that its investigations into ``the manipulation of certain shares are ongoing and individuals acquainted with the facts of the cases have been called in to assist.'' The e-mail didn't name Aeneas and officials there declined to comment further. ``The SC will take the necessary action where there is evidence of deliberate conduct or attempt to interfere with the genuine forces of supply and demand,'' the commission said. Losing Bets Aeneas, whose biggest fund returned an average 6.5 percent from 2000 to 2005, lost money in stocks including Iris Corp. and Farm's Best Bhd., prompting Deutsche Bank AG to demand repayment of loans that financed the trades, said the people familiar with the firm's situation. Grossman told investors on an Aug. 14 conference call about the losses in its Priam fund, which also hurt its bigger Aeneas Portfolio fund, said two people with direct knowledge of that discussion. Neither Grossman nor any of his employees has been accused of wrongdoing. Grossman didn't reply to a request for comment and his firm referred questions to attorney Kenneth Breen, a partner at Fulbright & Jaworski in New York. Breen declined to make Grossman available for an interview. ``Aeneas is cooperating fully with securities regulators,'' Breen said. SEC spokesman John Nester declined to comment. Malaysia Exchange Bursa Malaysia, manager of the country's stock exchange, ``continuously monitors and reviews the trading activities of market participants and will take necessary actions, if requred,'' Chief Regulatory Officer Devanesan Evanson said in an e-mailed statement. He wasn't specific about any cases that are under investigation. Hedge funds are private pools of capital that allow managers to participate substantially in the gains on money invested by clients. An SEC rule that tightened oversight of the $1.2 trillion industry was struck down by a federal appeals court in June, leaving the agency without the power to conduct random inspections of many funds. Grossman, 40, formed Aeneas in 2000 after leaving SAC Capital, Steven Cohen's $10 billion hedge fund company in Stamford, Connecticut. *He worked at New York-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc.*, the world's top trading firm by revenue, following his graduation in 1988 from Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, where he played fullback on the football team. Grossman's Fund Performance At SAC Capital, Grossman managed an international equities fund from 1997 through 1999, posting annual returns of 39 percent, 27 percent and 59 percent, after fees, according to performance figures obtained by Bloomberg News. SAC Capital invested with Grossman when he started Aeneas. Aeneas Portfolio, Grossman's flagship fund, made money for investors in five of the past six years. It had a negative return of almost 16 percent in 2001. The fund's best year was in 2004, when it gained 22 percent after fees. Performance figures weren't available for *Priam, the Malaysia-only fund that suffered losses of 60 percent. A person familiar with the situation said the _fund has no capital left_.* Aeneas was among the largest investors in at least four Malaysian stocks that more than doubled this year, according to filings with the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. Priam and Aeneas Portfolio a_*massed stakes of more than 10 percent in Iris and Farm's Best, as well as Kosmo Technology Industrial Bhd. and MoBif Bhd*_., the filings show. Trading Curbs Shares of all four companies collapsed after regulators began probing the rapid appreciation in their shares. * Iris*, a Kuala Lumpur-based electronics maker, gained more than 270 percent this year after the funds run by Grossman acquired almost 20 percent of the company's shares in February and then continued buying. The stock exchange imposed trading curbs in May on Iris shares and last month said it was ``very concerned'' that the stock's ``trading patterns were inconsistent'' with movements in the broader market. /* ``I have no idea'' about any investigation, Iris Managing Director Tan Say Jim said today in a telephone interview. Any manipulation of Iris's stock ``has nothing to do with the company or its management,'' he said.* / Stock Plunge Shares of Iris have dropped 81 percent since the exchange tightened rules on trading. Grossman's Priam fund still held Iris shares as of Sept. 14, filings show. His Aeneas Portfolio fund sold 5 million shares on Aug. 23. * By mid-July, Priam and Aeneas Portfolio held almost half of the outstanding shares of Melaka, Malaysia-based Farm's Best,* which sells poultry products and animal feed. The stock has since dropped more than 70 percent, following an Aug. 17 letter from Malaysian regulators that faulted the company for selling a stake to unidentified private investors at ``far below the market price.'' The two funds *bought up 46 percent of the outstanding shares of MoBif, *an Internet security company in Penang, Malaysia, from February through June. During that period, the stock rose more than 80 percent. In August, the Malaysian exchange issued a statement questioning the ``sharp increase in price and high volume'' of trading in the stock. The shares are down 83 percent from their high on Aug. 16. Loans Called * Frankfurt-based Deutsche Bank, Germany's largest bank, in August called the loans Aeneas used* to increase the size of its trading bets, the two people familiar with his conference call said. Rohini Pragasam, a Deutsche Bank spokeswoman in New York, declined to comment. The SEC is investigating whether Grossman's firm improperly shifted assets or liabilities between its accounts, the three people familiar with the agency's inquiry said. _/* Trading records at the Kuala Lumpur exchange show Priam and Aeneas Portfolio were active in the same stocks on the same days. In one instance, Aeneas Portfolio fund sold 12 million shares in Mahajaya Bhd. on Dec. 30, 2005. The same day, Priam, the Malaysia-only fund, acquired 12 million shares of the company, a Kuala Lumpur-based real estate developer.* /_ Investors continue to pour money into hedge funds. Hedge Fund Research estimates that the industry attracted $42.1 billion from April through June, the most in a quarter since at least 2003. At the same time, returns are dwindling. In July, they declined for a third straight month, the longest losing streak since September 2001. http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/18/bloomberg/sxhedge.php http://www.banknet360.com/news/NewsAbstract.do?na_id=5316 |
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Sep 20 2006, 10:44 AM
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I posted the same thing in the Education thread..in case anyone miss out
p/s : i not working for them QUOTE Dear i*Trade@CIMB Customers, This post has been edited by dEviLs: Sep 20 2006, 10:44 AMDue to overwhelming response in our earlier workshops, we are proud to bring you our FREE Retail Investment Workshop in Mandarin. This Trading workshop will enhance retail investors' knowledge on trading and investing in the Malaysian Financial Market. Retail investors will also be provided with an outlook and overview of the Malaysian Futures Market with special focus on strategies to maximise potential returns via Successful Trading Strategies. Workshop details as follows:- Date 23 September 2006 (Saturday) Venue Bursa Malaysia Kuala Lumpur Conference Room 1 &2 Ground Floor (Click here to view Map) Admission FREE (prior registration is a pre-requisite) Registration 9:15am - 9:45am Duration 9:15am - 12:45pm Limited Seats Available! Register early! Click here to view programme. To register, please email us at itrade_events@cimb.com or contact Andre Leong/Justin Law/Angela Saik/Candy Lee at (603) 2092 2516 / (603) 2093 0418. Yours sincerely, Private Client Services |
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Sep 22 2006, 02:48 AM
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Sep 22 2006, 03:10 AM
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QUOTE(liangko @ Sep 22 2006, 02:48 AM) lol, this phrase is **** meaningful. Yeah, u are right, i'm planning to take out all my money from my current acccount now. "bank is a place where dumb people put their money inside to let the wise people use them for investment and become richer."Liangko, How do you know you are wise?? For example, I know that I am a dumb person as far as playing Malaysia stock market?? "To be wise is to know when you are dumb or you do not know enough!!" Dreamer |
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Sep 22 2006, 09:40 AM
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At least the dumb people has plenty of money to put in to bank otherwise he/she doesn't need to open an bank account.
I know what he/she means with that statement some sort of to maximise the return opportunity but in investment sometimes you need to be defensive depends on the market and economy situation, not always trying too aggressive. Offensive strategy during wrong environment will led to quick failure. Now you see lot of hedge fund suffering billions of loss even some has to be winding up by betting oil and natural gas will go much higher instead oil and natural gas plunge to year low. They use bank more than others in some range they has gearing/leverage of 800% e.g. you have 1 dollar but use bank facilities and futures contract so that your bet become like 8 dollar. Sound great if winning but if lossing how? where to find the extra 7 dollar? Investment strategy needs to be changed time from time, evaluate your strategy and market situation before commit your Hard-Earned money. This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 22 2006, 09:53 AM |
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Sep 22 2006, 10:02 AM
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This is not the issue of dumb or wise. This depends on individual. Usually people think doctor is wise, but we can't say a barber is dumb. This depends on individual's interest. If you interested in investment, then sure you can invest your money and get higher return. If you not interested in investment, it's a wise choice you save your money in bank compared to keep your cash under your pillow.
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Sep 22 2006, 11:31 AM
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FD is also a type of investment, just it is low risk low return. It is not nice/right to call it as 'dumb' investment.
When stock market, housing market and commodities price plunge time when financial melt-down/crisis, it becomes a wise investment already. |
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Sep 22 2006, 02:10 PM
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jus saw newspaper got anounce new two funds from amanah raya berhad (who manages asw2020 etc)...so where can i buy it?
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Sep 23 2006, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 26 2005, 03:21 PM) Hi, FD better dude.. maybank already eat my RM478 for bank charges.. i better use to invest myself. the investment done by the fund manager like SH*T. even i can do more. T*u charge here charge there.. sure one day malaysia unit trust will fall down like spore. trust me. going soon..1) The one year FD with the rate of 3.7% does not require 100K. I know because I have a FD with only 5K. 2) Do you know how to do your own calculation as to what is the actual return for insurance?? Are you certain that the return is more than 3.7% per year?? 3) Buying and selling share: Have anyone look at how much commission you need to pay for buying and selling shares?? I believe that you need to buy around 20K to 30K RM worth of share and the share need to go up enough for a person to do not lose money. 4) I know I am dumb so I put my money in the bank's FD. I know I am not smart enough to deal with share. Plus, from my own calculation the FD return is better than insurance.. 5) Unit trust -> Do you know what is annual maintenance fee for the unit trust?? It is fairly high and teh unit trust need to make enough to cover that expenses.. Dreamer |
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Sep 24 2006, 06:28 AM
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QUOTE(michaelwong @ Sep 23 2006, 02:01 PM) FD better dude.. maybank already eat my RM478 for bank charges.. i better use to invest myself. the investment done by the fund manager like SH*T. even i can do more. T*u charge here charge there.. sure one day malaysia unit trust will fall down like spore. trust me. going soon.. Michealwong,Normally, you will not buy something until you know how much it will cost you. So, why didn't you ask first on all the possible charges before you buy?? This is the lesson that you should learn. And, this is a cheap lesson. One of the lesson that I learnt costs me 50% of all my savings. Dreamer P.S.: From "Rich Dad's Guide to Investing", the first rule rule of investing is to make sure that you DO NOT lose money. This was spoken by Warren Buffet too. Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1. Warren Buffett This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 24 2006, 06:56 AM |
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Sep 24 2006, 06:52 AM
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http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/1/why-i-am...ng-foreclosure/
Interesting housing investment failure story. Dreamer |
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Sep 24 2006, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2006, 06:52 AM) http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/1/why-i-am...ng-foreclosure/ I think it a good lesson for him. But this kinda scenario are ripe to happen in USA. Banks there are so loose for them to lend out money to someone with false assets, up to the tune of >$500k, and with 100% on cost of home. Interesting housing investment failure story. Dreamer |
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Sep 24 2006, 01:50 PM
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nice link. Thanks for sharing dreamer.
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Sep 24 2006, 03:21 PM
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