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SKY 1809
post Aug 15 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:06 PM)
Thats for the REITs to manage....on personal level...the DPUs are tax free provided the REIT pays out min 90% of
profits.

Do they release back the withholding taxes?
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No, Min is 10% as final.

So withholding tax would become final tax at 10% if all reit conditions met.
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post Aug 15 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(ShiftVQV6 @ Aug 15 2012, 12:58 PM)
bad for tax payer who tax rate is less than 25%
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 12:59 PM)
Thanks mate, thats very clear....looks like tAX man coming soon to yer REITS- malaysian that is.......

i am safe so far in SREITs......Mr Msian TAXman will never let go............thats how we pay for the rest of the 90%
non tax payors..    mad.gif
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Partially of the income tax at 10%, not good kah? hmm.gif
and no need to pay tax at 25% and no stamp duty. I think the benefit given is attractive enough icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 12:59 PM)
Reit Co is " qualified " for tax exempt profits for conditions met , so under single tier distribution should be freed from tax . hmm.gif

That is why still got withholding tax  at 10% , right.
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Yah, Government is smart in tax matter laugh.gif

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:00 PM)
Why "withholding"?  From what?    rclxub.gif
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When something they can't tax, they classify as withholding tax laugh.gif
withholding tax normally applicable on services and commission paid to foreign companies, u can try read the public ruling for more information

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post Aug 15 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2012, 01:10 PM)
Partially of the income tax at 10%, not good kah? hmm.gif
and no need to pay tax at 25% and no stamp duty. I think the benefit given is attractive enough icon_rolleyes.gif
Yah, Government is smart in tax matter laugh.gif
When something they can't tax, they classify as withholding tax laugh.gif
withholding tax normally applicable on services and commission paid to foreign companies, u can try read the public ruling for more information
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NO...NO GOODing...i am already paying personal higher taxes than a singaporean at 25%!

For me the yields from the REITs are easily read....what you see is what you get....the DPUs.

Yes i think the withholding is for foreign cos. investing in REITs...same in Sing.BUT inidividuals
are not subjected to this in Sing!
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post Aug 15 2012, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:15 PM)
NO...NO GOODing...i am already paying personal higher taxes than a singaporean at 25%!

For me the yields from the REITs are easily read....what you see is what you get....the DPUs.

Yes i think the withholding is for foreign cos. investing in REITs...same in Sing.BUT inidividuals
are not subjected to this in Sing!
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Easy , just sell it off at last cum date and buy back at ex date, tax free. laugh.gif

Apa Susah yawn.gif

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post Aug 15 2012, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:21 PM)
Easy , just sell it off at last cum date and buy back  at ex date, tax free. laugh.gif

Apa Susah yawn.gif
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Sorry...didnt get that....sell what?

i dont usually trade my REITs.....i invest for the returns...someone call that PASSive income.
Hopefully when it will become MASSive income in my sunset days. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:26 PM)
Sorry...didnt get that....sell what? 

i dont usually trade my REITs.....i invest for the returns...someone call that PASSive income.
Hopefully when it will become MASSive income in my sunset days.   biggrin.gif
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REiT prices would not be perpetually. or up to the sky. hmm.gif

Somehow they would fall one day yawn.gif

Not say to time the market, but chances are there in the market for u to buy back cheaper in the future.

Valuation wise is " rich " at the moment.

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post Aug 15 2012, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:32 PM)
REiT prices would not be perpetually. or up to the sky. hmm.gif

Somehow they would fall one day yawn.gif

Not say to time the market, but chances are there in the market for u to buy back cheaper in the future.

Valuation wise is "  rich " at the moment.
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Define "rich". Whats considered rich for REITs?

Actually i am in SREITs. i am receiving 8.8% returns pa on average...
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:35 PM)
Define "rich". Whats considered rich for REITs?

Actually i am in SREITs. i am receiving 8.8% returns pa on average...
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Just for sharing purpose.

Yr right to agree or disagree .

Sreit risk profile is not exactly the same as compared to mreits, due to some past history failures over there.

Sometimes I can get 10 to 50% return a month in equity investments , but exposed to much higher risk.

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post Aug 15 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:43 PM)
Just for sharing purpose.

Yr right to agree or disagree .

Sreit risk profile is not exactly  the same as compared to mreits,  due to some past history failures over there.

Sometimes I can get 10 to 50% return a month  in equity investments , but exposed to  much higher risk.
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Thanks for sharing.

BUT i laugh when i saw this part

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Cheaper S-REITs have “currency risk”. Yield compression continues, especially among large-cap retail M-REITs (which we favoured vs. the other M-REITS) as investors re-rate the sector ahead of the listing of IGB REIT. Whilst retail S-REITs, with yields of 5.1-6.3%, are cheaper than retail M-REIT yields of 4.9-5.6%, adverse currency movements are a risk for Malaysian investors seeking stable income overseas.


One of the risk that i have with my Ringgit is because its Ringgit. Lookie at the thread on our
spending deficts over the last 15 years and the balloning DEBT.

When i invested in SG, SGD was 2.40 to the Ringgit. Presently its 2.53.....

IMO Investing in SGD assets is a way of diversfying out of Ringgit Risk, not the other way.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:49 PM)
Thanks for sharing.

BUT i laugh when i saw this part
One of the risk that i have with my Ringgit is because its Ringgit.  Lookie at the thread on our
spending deficts over the last 15 years and the balloning DEBT.

When i invested in SG, SGD was 2.40 to the Ringgit. Presently its 2.53.....

IMO Investing in SGD assets is a way of diversfying out of Ringgit Risk, not the other way.
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The risk in putting money into Singapore is too much money being parked by Euro people into S banks.

The appreciation of S$ is not really linked to its " robust" economy .
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:54 PM)
The risk in putting money into  Singapore is too much money being parked by Euro people  into S banks.

The appreciation of S$  is not really linked to its " robust" economy .
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Good point BUT its been like that for the last 30 years because SGD is deemed to be safe, friendly, and stable
for financial services. Its nothing new.
But aside, its economy is no slag either.....overtaking Msia's GDP is no
mean feat considering, no?

Besides that IMO the Ringgit has more probability to weaken in the long term
especially vs the SGD.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 15 2012, 01:57 PM)
Good point BUT its been like that for the last 30 years because SGD is deemed to be safe, friendly, and stable
for financial services. Its nothing new.
But aside, its economy is no slag either.....overtaking Msia's GDP is no
mean feat considering, no?

Besides that IMO the Ringgit has more probability to weaken in the long term
especially vs the SGD.
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I remember u said something similar about Gold last year, like US $ 2000 plus plus this year . hmm.gif

Only time would tell. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 15 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 02:01 PM)
I remember u said something similar about Gold last year, like US $  2000 plus plus this year . hmm.gif

Only time would tell. icon_rolleyes.gif
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i never put any figure to gold.....i believe you have the wrong person
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 12:39 PM)
On top of the mountain hmm.gif

That is why everyone is interested .

Now lorry transporters also want to turn their  warehouses into reits. yawn.gif
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But the Dividend yield still looks attractive at the moment.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 01:54 PM)
The risk in putting money into  Singapore is too much money being parked by Euro people  into S banks.

The appreciation of S$  is not really linked to its " robust" economy .
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Not only Euro people, US people shifted some of their fund and park in Singapore


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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2012, 02:08 PM)
Not only Euro people, US people shifted some of their fund and park in Singapore
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But u could see Sreit gave a yield of close to 20% in Year 2009.

And yet investors were running off from them. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 02:20 PM)
But u  could  see Sreit gave a yield of close to 20% in Year 2009.

And yet investors were running off from them.  hmm.gif
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many were running from the mkts in 2009....and for the matter, every asset class was hit.

AND many were picking them up at the same time......

and striking rich .....so whats yer point?


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 02:20 PM)
But u  could  see Sreit gave a yield of close to 20% in Year 2009.

And yet investors were running off from them.  hmm.gif
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When people panic and lack of confidence in the market, they just simply throw down without thinking further laugh.gif

If SEA is the next emerging market, Singapore will definitely benefit by its superior financial hub icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 15 2012, 02:20 PM)
But u  could  see Sreit gave a yield of close to 20% in Year 2009.

And yet investors were running off from them.  hmm.gif
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Axreit was at 15% yield as well.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 15 2012, 03:12 PM)
Axreit was at 15% yield as well.
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I quickly go search and see got 15% or not. Sadly it was only 6%. tongue.gif

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