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vearn27
post Jul 23 2011, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 23 2011, 12:07 AM)
imo.
on camera, better to use TTL.
btw, sb900 default should be TTL BL right...which tries to balance exposure with the background.
else thats where spot metering comes in.

for manual, i would most probably only use it when 2 or more flashes are involved...so can control the ratio of light from each flash.
eg. for highkey shots.

btw, why do u set Auto FP when its also at 1/250s same as the indoor setting? theres no difference in exposure right?
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Hmm... you also been using TTL mode when shooting on camera? When shooting for events, I usually use TTL BL and matrix metering. In what kind of situation where I should switch in between spot metering, center-weighed or matrix? unsure.gif

Yet to have chance to play with multiple flashes.

Isn't 1/250s (Auto FP) is to be used when flash sync speed need to go beyond 1/250s for using fill flash in bright scene? huh.gif
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post Jul 23 2011, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 23 2011, 12:25 AM)
That's why go Manual when the camera sees differently from what we want. Aperture Priority = we control the aperture, camera controls SS. Shutter Priority = we control shutter, camera controls aperture. 1/60 or not, I'm not too sure but I think it depends on your lens selection. I'm sure you can go slower than that if shooting wide open on a f1.4.

I'm sure you choose Programmed mode when you want to let the camera do everything and give you some guidelines on the settings rite? Same goes with Manual. Shoot in AP first (since you are mostly on that) then switch to Manual. Use the same setting and play with the SS.

I'm also using Eneloop, and I totally agree on the SB900's overheating issue.
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Shooting wide at f/1.4 isn't will make the SS go much faster? Still need to meddle on the flash setting when shooting with flash.

Nah... actually the senior advised me to use Programmed Auto therefore I try it out. He said that events photography not necessary need special effect shots but good coverage and good angles with the details will do. Only need to control the ISO sensitivity and the flash power if using Manual flash mode.

I usually shoot with Aperture Priority combined with Auto-ISO settings when I'm getting busy with the movement of the event. Depending on the scene, either set the max ISO at 800 or 1600 with the SS at 1/60 slowest. Yeap, I used the method you mentioned. Shoot with AP and then duplicate the same settings on Manual and adjust it slightly according to likeliness.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 23 2011, 12:45 AM)
i would just stick with center weighted.
i hardly use flash anyway, but why not just stick with TTL? afterall for events etc, u often dont get a 2nd chance to get the exposure right.

and guess i misunderstood the Auto FP.
thought u were just going to stick it at 1/250s outdoors also tongue.gif
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Center-weighed... so far I have been sticking with Matrix instead, unless portrait I'll go center-weighed and less using spot metering.

Yeah, what I'm doing now is using TTL mode and then swing the flash head accordingly to get the bounce to lit my subject biggrin.gif

Well... sometime I forgot to adjust the Flash Sync setting therefore few of my photos will be overblown if I didn't review them properly after shooting sweat.gif
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post Jul 24 2011, 08:40 PM

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Which mode(s) you guys usually use when shooting an event? unsure.gif

I still use Aperture Priority mode for most of my shooting. However, seniors I know recommending me to shoot with Programmed Auto mode to save time on adjusting settings and to ensure all shots are sharp.

When I'm using Programmed Auto mode, the aperture will be set at 7.1 the most. Shooting just a few shots will ended up my SB-900 overheated on i-TTL BL mode sweat.gif

How would you guys set your DSLR and flashgun when shooting an event?
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post Jul 24 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 24 2011, 09:31 PM)
Manual or Aperture mode, flash? Usually TTL, TTL-BL when I shoot direct flash.
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You have sufficient time to set your Manual settings or one exposure setting for the entire event? blink.gif

How about using the flash for fill-flash, TTL and TTL-BL as well? Did you ever face SB-900 reaching its overheat limits in your event shooting experience?

My SB-900 already get overheated after multiple exposures at f/5 ~ f/7.1 and I'm getting worry if I continuously reaching its limit will cause the unit to be faulty sweat.gif
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post Jul 24 2011, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Well, if you rajin, can set to M and slowly change.

If not, can set a A mode and just adjust the aperture.

For me, I let the Flash on TTL, let it decide itself while I manually tweak the aperture.
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It's about whether "rajin" or not, but rather "sempat tak?" in a event where movements change swiftly and required to capture the moments at best possible.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 24 2011, 10:00 PM)
Nope... depends la. If the condition some parts dark some parts bright then I use aperture. else its manual.

My SB900 rarely overheat..
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When I shoot 6~7 shots in a short period of time on group photo or quick movement of the event @ f/5 ~ f/7.1 ISO800 (inside house), my SB-900 will reach its max heat on TTL or TTL-BL sweat.gif

Well, the aperture value automatically goes to f/5 ~ f/7.1 when I use Programmed Auto mode.
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post Jul 24 2011, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 24 2011, 10:47 PM)
Sure.. you're talking indoor, and what was your shutter speed?
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Sure as in you also reach your SB-900 overheat limit when you shoot indoor? My SS was 1/60.
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post Jul 24 2011, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 24 2011, 10:54 PM)
You mostly get well lit foreground, but dark backgrounds?
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This time I'm taking group shot inside house, therefore the background is wall doesn't has dark background unlike ballroom. A couple of blast @ f/7.1, ISO800, SS 1/60 with flash at TTL, the SB-900 overheat immediately sweat.gif
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post Jul 24 2011, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 24 2011, 11:08 PM)
Increasing the ISO will make the flash require less power to lit the subject right? hmm.gif

Also a friend of mine who's a event photographer (mostly those corporate events) said his technique for flash is to set it at 1/4 or 1/2 of the power then just change the aperture accordingly...works best if have big aperture lens obviously. I havent tried it myself so cant really comment laugh.gif
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Yeap. In fact using bigger aperture, lowering shutter speed and increasing ISO will make the flash require less power.

Your friend's technique is indeed correct. I have met a senior that he taught me on how to use Manual setting for flash instead of relying on TTL. Setting the flash either at 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 depending on the environment lighting, then adjust the ISO accordingly to each shot. In anyway, bigger aperture do help in lowering the flash power but we couldn't go way too low for group shooting where we need to get everyone in focus.

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 24 2011, 11:12 PM)
Use bigger aperture, so that your flash output need not be that powerful smile.gif
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Again, we couldn't go too low for group shooting, isn't?

QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 24 2011, 11:27 PM)
Well, if you are good, using M all the way is no problem.

At least, for me. Just need some tweak here and there but generally, if its an important shoot, just use A for safety.
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Then I would be honest enough to say I'm not there by any chance sweat.gif

I would prefer to focus on the event and movement than changing my M settings for each shot especially in an environment where you did not get even lighting.
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post Jul 25 2011, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 24 2011, 11:49 PM)
If you are already using f/2.8 lens and set at a wide angle of say 17 or 18mm, you can take a group shot of 6 people or so side by side and stand about 7 feet away from them. That gives you a total DoF of about 6 feet (between 5.1 feet to 11.1 feet in front of you, subjects in that zone would be in focus). So you don't need to worry about DoF at wide open.

If you're taking full length portraits of the wedding couple in portrait mode, you would be about 17 feet away from them if you are at 55mm on focal length. At f/2.8, your DoF is about 3.3 feet in total (between 15.5 feet to 18.8 feet in front of you, subjects in that zone would be in focus). Still a lot of DoF to get your subjects sharp in focus at the tele end.

The 17-55 is excellent wide open and using it wide open saves a lot of SB 900 juice. Your photos will turn out better because the flash would compliment the ambient lighting and would not be the only source of light like when you shoot using f/7.1.
Why not switch to 1/30 instead of the default 1/60 when you use flash? You get extra 1 stop of flash power.

Like I suggested, you can also stick to manual exposure and leave flash at TTL to fill in as needed.
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Just revisited DOF Master, shooting approximately 8 ft from the subject will give me approximately 9.78 ft of DOF which is enough to cover what I'm shooting yesterday where maximum there was 20 of them to fit 17mm (25.5 effective) focal length. Hmm... I shouldn't be afraid to step up my aperture value ._.

I'm worried shooting at 1/30 will cause blurry image although equipped with flash. Furthermore, this is the first time I officially shot using the new lens 17-55 and without VR.

If I'm stepping up my aperture value, I shouldn't need to be worry on SB-900 overheat if I'm using TTL mode biggrin.gif

In fact, I actually have a couple of shots using Aperture Priority at f/2.8 before I forgotten that I have no switch to Programmed Auto which is at f/7.1. The earlier seem looks better than the latter tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2011, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:31 AM)
Glad that somebody appreciates the technicalities and bothers to check how much DoF you get.  rclxms.gif
Do some test shots. Try and purposely shake while shooting at 1/30 with flash. See the outcome. If you're still afraid, then stick with 1/60 lor...
Of course it does.
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Technicalities still important anyhow. I'm an IT guy myself, I do understand how small fraction of specification mistake could overrun the whole system biggrin.gif

It's not until few days ago I took my time to flip again every pages of my D7000 manual only to notice I missed out some important function tongue.gif (I knew I missed them earlier but yet able to spare time to look into it laugh.gif)

I checked my group photos which I shot at f/2.8 using flash @ 1/60. In total 3 of them, one is slightly blurred probably due to my wrong focus or handshake.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:34 AM)
Using flash can help to freeze motion; Using flash, you can even handheld shooting portrait at 200mm (350mm on DX) at 1/30 and still get sharp image; However if the movement is "fast enough", you will get shadows or trails (more obvious when you zoom in); Usually portraiture or group photo, it should be alright.
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Noted on that. Will set my Flash Shutter Speed to 1/30 instead of keeping it at 1/60 smile.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 04:55 PM

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What's the expectation? Would we be seeing D700's replacement sooner or probably D3 and D300s replacement as within expectation following their trend? biggrin.gif

>>> Nikon's Announcement @ August 24th <<<
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post Jul 26 2011, 05:51 PM

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Looking at their chronological release... http://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/slr...gical&view=grid

Really jialat if D700 replacement to be announced laugh.gif
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post Jul 28 2011, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 28 2011, 02:08 PM)
Then can drop by DLE to test the theory? tongue.gif
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What's DLE? huh.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 28 2011, 05:43 PM)
Digital Lifestyle Expo lolz

You're not one of the regular buayas? tongue.gif
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Err... nope... never shot in a fair or exhibition before sweat.gif laugh.gif
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post Jul 31 2011, 02:37 PM

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Izzit Agnes dominated the whole DLE this round.....? While others like..... not noticeable? sweat.gif
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post Jul 31 2011, 03:02 PM

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I'm stuck with work in the office for this weekend... even brought my clothes to office to stay until tomorrow.

Cannot visit DLE sad.gif
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post Jul 31 2011, 08:55 PM

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Tengok sini tengok sana semua gambar Agnes laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Aug 1 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(ifer @ Aug 1 2011, 03:28 PM)
for those who are thinking of getting a D7000 + sb900, don't get it now.
nikon malaysia are giving them out for free.
3 units only though

nikon 10th anniversary

enjoy
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Provided you could submit an excellent photo laugh.gif
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post Aug 1 2011, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(ifer @ Aug 1 2011, 04:43 PM)
*ahem*
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ifer sifu, lai lets go yum cha biggrin.gif

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post Aug 2 2011, 02:41 PM

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Hmm... tempting tempting... what is or are to be announced on 24th August... my partner wanted to get D7000 this weekend, shall hold on until what to be announced? hmm.gif

Thou even if D300s or D700 replacement announced, money wouldn't reach there yet sweat.gif

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