I decide to close the old thread "The Power of Fusion II - Llano" cause now there is real notebook that based on Llano CPU in Malaysia none other than Acer. Acer has got new model Aspire 5560G with SRP of RM1,899 that based on:




* Newer revision of 5560G-8354G50 (Red Colour) comes with A8-3500M *

Aspire 5560G-6344G50 (Blue Colour)

AMD A6-3400M (4 MB L2 cache, 1.40 GHz with Turbo CORE Technology up to 2.30 GHz, , 35 W) + AMD A60M Fusion™ Controller Hub
4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333 MHz
500GB HDD
15.6" HD 1366 x 768 resolution, Acer CineCrystal™ LED-backlit TFT LCD
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
AMD Radeon™ HD 6720G2 with AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphic technology and AMD Radeon™ HD Dual Graphics Technology, with 1GB DDR3
Bluetooth® 3.0+HS Acer InviLink™ Nplify™ 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED™ supporting Acer SignalUp™ wireless technology
8X DVD Super Multi Plus Drive
Acer Crystal Eye webcam, 1280 x 1024 resolution
48.8 W 4400 mAh 6-cell Li-ion standard battery pack Estimated battery life : 4 hours
Multi-in-1 card reader (SD™, MMC, MS PRO & xD)
Three USB 2.0 ports HDMI™ port with HDCP support
381.6 (W) x 253 (D) x 25.2/33.2 (H) mm 2.6 kg with 6-cell battery pack
1-Year International Traveller Warranty
Free:- Acer Exclusive Designed Carrying Bag



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Second Llano notebook appears on ASUS Product Guide:- A43TA for RM1,799. Almost same spec yet difference below:-

+ A70M with USB3.0 port (Aspire 5560G comes with USB2.0 ports only)
+ 2-year Global warranty

- 14" LCD (alomost 2" smaller than 15.6")
- Thus no numpad on the keyboard
- 2GB RAM only
- VGA camera (compared to HD camera)
- Still Bluetooth 2.1 ?



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Third Llano Notebook - HP Pavilion g4-1204AX with HP Notebook Sports Backpack for RM1,999

+ A8-3500M APU - slight faster than A6 version
+ 1 x 4GB - easily upgradeable to 8GB
+ 640GB HDD - bigger always better

- 14" LCD
- Thus no numpad
- Radeon 6470 with 1GB DDR3 only
- No USB 3.0 support
- VGA camera only

This post has been edited by Ricky Ling: Sep 25 2011, 12:01 AM

no A8 yet?

like fusion... but 15"...

when can i get it ??

Any chance it will be on 11' or 12"?

Can someone summarize whats special about Llano? It has the same processing power as Intel SB quad but cheaper? is it? haha, i read about Llano but can't brain anything

price?

Got inside topic, RM1,899....

only 2k???
if crossfire should be better than 5750g right???

I heard Astria sifu said in one post that crossfire in upcoming Llano laptops can reach gtx460m level...but not sure lol

the Asynchronous crossfire allow the internal GPU to work together with discrete GPU.... the A8+AMD 6630 can potentially beat gtx460m in some game

all that GPU power for only RM2k???
no point for buying gaming laptop then unless you want more processing power...

this model only has A6(6430M)+6480G... but its give some indication on pricing for A8+6630M... ^^

This post has been edited by cowithgun: Jul 8 2011, 10:52 PM

lols... llano in short and sweet:

Use older architecture CPU, integrate it with a real dedicated GPU, to produce= APU

An all rounder!


Their concept is... an all rounder. is better than a screaming processor+a snaillish gpu.......

Which i agree.....



It wont's win intel and nvidia's dominance in upper priced markets... but it will win in budget lines... bout 2k prices..

think the brazos equiped netbooks.. cheap and powerfull.... intel+nvidia ion cost a few hundred bucks more...

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Added on July 8, 2011, 10:56 pmcrossfire... have to see some reviews(white mouse) to see whether AMD really nailed it.. or is it a huge dissapointment....

also the turbo core... have to see is it wrkin... anybody can google-fu latest developements?? last i read(few weeks ago), turbocore still buggy.. crossfire still buggy...

if they make it right ! HOOOLLLAAAHHHH!!!

This post has been edited by IvanWong1989: Jul 8 2011, 10:56 PM

No, no sign of A8 Llano yet, at the moment only 1 model...

Actually in real world usage, a 2GHz and 3GHz processor would have very little impact on how fast you actually perceive the system being.

Now only waiting for Asus to come out with one of their own.

wow really? LOL

haha... but a 500mhz and a 2ghz gt big diff leh.. lolx

i downclock my speed to 500mhz.. and omg.... vista is a wreck! lolx.... i can see window trails!!!! for a few seconds!!! for fun.



if asus comes out wit a8 and a pro card in 3k range... i will

wow....

IF they nailed it right.., hopefully so..

if nt.. it wil perform even worse...

hmmm.. sounds cool for somebody who is waiting like me =D

If you go below the system's minimum requirement then you're asking for trouble lor...

Anyways, multi GPU configs are always tricky. Just 1 iffy driver can cripple the whole graphic subsystem.

LOL! Cant wait !!!! Asus!~! =p

LOL... woi., forgot to tell you,last nite my dream.. errr.. got a laptop in my dream looks like VX7... but silver colour.... waaaa...

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Added on July 8, 2011, 11:13 pmlol... i wonder if they need my nails? I got a lot in my kit.. LOL

This post has been edited by simon3041: Jul 8 2011, 11:13 PM

hmmmm... tat multi GPU means having two GPU ka? onboard plus GC? errr

Multi GPU here is for its Asynchronous Crossfire. On chip GPU + discrete GPU. If they work together properly, its performance is unbelievable for the price.

lolx...... fate is tellin u to get vx7... then dip it in silver paint.....

yapu....

theory it will boost significantly..

practically...... have to see...

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Added on July 8, 2011, 11:18 pmi cant resist resizing the word.

This post has been edited by IvanWong1989: Jul 8 2011, 11:18 PM

I...I....still can't brain. Haha, don't know why these days my brain can't really work. Next two weeks start foundation in engineering, scared if my brain doesn't work LOL

So you mean the processor works with the dedicated gpu to produce APU? whats APU?

errrr... let me google it and learn it... Hmmm... =) Thanks for the explain...

=.=... lolx... aiya dun worry.... foundation jek mah.... prepare for heavy assignments and reports..... all clashing when want to exam time...





it's like intel core i series la... i5+hd3000 inside right???

amd also same..

just the Llano APU(actually just change name oli.... ), is 50% cpu 50% gpu....

while intel?? is kinda like 80%cpu 20%gpu...

see the diff?

hmmm... but it doesnt look like dip in silver paint... == LOL It looks silver.. sweet dream last nite... =p LOL... hmmmm

+u +u.. lolx... just hoping asus will bring a8+ card that is higher than 6630m .... at sub 3k price...


edit: MOST IMPORTANT 14 INCHER PLEEEEAASSSEEE!!

This post has been edited by IvanWong1989: Jul 8 2011, 11:27 PM

I know someone would do that sooner or later.

An APU is short for Accelerated Processing Unit. Basically you have your processor, memory controller and graphics processor on the same chip.

The gpu that u say is onboard or dedicated?

If have all those on the same chip, what advantage does it offer?

I guess i have to google more about Llano....lol

More power efficiency, smaller chip size, less heat produced basically.

gpu is onboard.. like intel. but a beefed up hd3000 on steroids n $#^$%

AMD A6-A3400M (4 MB L2 cache, 1.40 GHz with Turbo CORE Technology up to 2.30 GHz, , 35 W) + AMD A60M Fusion™ Controller Hub

AMD Radeon™ HD 6720G2 with AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphic technology and AMD Radeon™ HD Dual Graphics Technology, with 1GB of DDR3 VRAM

So which one is the Processor, which one is the onboard gpu, which one is the dedicated gpu?

Processor = AMD A6-A3400M

Onboard gpu = ???????

Dedicated gpu = AMD Radeon™ HD 6720G2

someone correct me, haha

if you pair the A6 APU's 6520G graphics with a discrete 6650M you end up with 6720G2

ok i think i understand already. Thanks yah

seriously their naming is waaaaaaaayy weird now.... hate that....

lolx...



if they ship in a8 1.9ghz-2.6ghz + anything above 6750m.... woah.. @@

Thats why....too complicated makes me can't understand anything...

Intel one so easy to brain

i think they want to get people attention thatz why.. lolx

llano is going to sapu 2k budget lappies... my prediction la if they no buggy...

but higher to the 3k... still intel wins... i think....

running a few app , yes no much difference.

I already know AMD's Llano APU is CPU+GPU under one processor, but my friend told me the 2nd gen Intel Sandy bridge has GPU inside the processor too, so what's the difference of the two?

I thought he meant integrated graphics on motherboard but he showed me a website and some diagrams of the sandy bridge architecture, it appears that there is really GPU in sandy bridge. Anyone can enlighten me?

ADDON: something like this


I am AMD supporter (never had a intel rig before to be honest) so I'm eager to know what are the differences.

This post has been edited by zellleonhart: Jul 9 2011, 01:52 AM

edit: never research....stupid me, thanks for educating me

This post has been edited by roimekoi: Jul 9 2011, 12:04 PM

At last mobile llano is here! been waiting for ages.

do tell me with the budget above could you get a 15.6 inch laptop with preinstalled windows and dual graphics! And also 4 gb ram! insane.

two word- Satisfaction Guaranteed

btw isnt there any 3.0 port?

AMD Radeon™ HD 6720G2 = APU(GPU) + DISCRECT GPU ???

yes.....

apu(gpu)+dicrete gpu=dual graphics

more specifically for this...

apu(6520g)+radeon 6650m=6720g2


capable of switching between only integrated, only discrete, or dual graphics(aka. crossfire)

edit: wrng number

This post has been edited by IvanWong1989: Jul 9 2011, 07:33 AM

still no review for this 6720 ???

i wan bulldozer!

Mouth watering combinations... AMD changed the way we looked at notebooks ! Combined graphics power nearing 1 TFLOPS even for this budget Acer notebook

it just like kage bunshin no jutsu!

Already at my shop, this model uses the same chasis as Aspire 5750G.

You will need Trinity (with Bulldozer cores) for notebook platform...that would be "The Power of Fusion IV"..coming soon

u mean eye trinity? my card got support ah!

Which probably means the 14" model would looks like a 4750G.

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Added on July 9, 2011, 12:36 pmI can only imagine the power on those things.

Nono, Trinity is the next gen AMD CPU. What you have is Eyefinity.

This post has been edited by AlexLai: Jul 9 2011, 12:36 PM

wow.... unexpected....

wah!? Quad Core for 1.9k!?

Yeah. Amazingly competitive proposition by AMD isn't it? Pity it's not the A8 APU in use.

A8 how ho??

Can try its gaming performance?

Hope it looks like 4755G, I just saw it just now, 4755G design looks a bit similar to Acer 3820TG

^ try and pay....

Wait for the Asus version to come out first, I might sell off my A42JV for it.

that nice laptop.. 2k is it worth?

me too... or had wait for ivy... hehe..

for me ,yup but wait other version came out 1st..

Oh no.. the price in budget for my gaming laptop.. hehe

i suggest u wait for a while.. many more coming soon

really? same price + more powerful like this one?

maybe or maybe not... lets see.....

hehe I wait

Just wondering, what is the resale value? I mean, how much are you going to sell away your A42JV?

I see a lot of people actually sell their old laptops (some even have really low specs with G210M and core 2 duo) at RM2000 and below.

Ivy will have the same concept as AMD Llano?or better than Llano?

native dual core coming soon. this is the real ace card from amd. if quad core with dual graphics is selling for 1.9k, wonders whats the selling point of those chips.

i prefer > 15.6" hahahaha

ati is bought by amd iinm, but intel and nvidia ..

all i know is ivy b is going to be 22nm tech, reduction in die size compared to intel sb (32nm)

ow i see...~

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Added on July 9, 2011, 7:09 pmhmmmm? O.o?

This post has been edited by simon3041: Jul 9 2011, 07:09 PM

what is "iinm"?

and whats the difference between 22nm and 32nm?

I'm newbie, sorry for that

sounds cool.. =D

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Added on July 9, 2011, 7:11 pmLOL! ==

This post has been edited by simon3041: Jul 9 2011, 07:11 PM

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!! I am waiting~

The resell value for mine is still quite okay. I can get back about RM1700 for it I guess. What a pity this isn't one of the most powerful 14" anymore.

Ivy Bridge still won't be able to beat Llano in terms of graphics I predict. And that isn't SLI, SLI only works with 2 of the same Nvidia GPUs.


"iinm" = "if I'm not mistaken"

22nm and 32nm are just die sizes. The smaller it is, the more efficient it becomes. Well that's the theory.

iinm = if im not mistaken

32nm - 22nm = 10nm

Thanks a lot for that. RM1700 is good. Sure people will bump into your Garage Sales thread selling your laptop next time.

I still don't get the meaning "die sizes"...

Lol, I'm quite bad at internet abbreviations. Anyway, thanks...Have been seeing that "iinm" in /k/ a lot of times but dunno what it means

lets make a hypothesis i think ivy will remain like sb.. jz reduce it achitechture processor size... so, the smaller its architecture, the more efficient it becomes..

reduce and make it better than sb

ya, the theory is like like that. erm, if ivy still cant beat Llano in graphic, then =.=" the bulldozer part is more superior

means,,, build the processor smaller..... kinda like '' Honey I Shrink The Kids'' lolx.... smaller die... more efficient... less heat....
i dun think ivy bridge will sli intel+nvidia.... just... weird.. lolx

BULLDOZER!!! haha... i wan llano...... sigh..... i wil wait for it....!!!!

long time no see that movie.. eh, sli between intel and nvidia? the ivy plan??
bulldozer really kaw2......

haha.... very very loooong time.. lolx....

actually... do ya think intel will see this threat and consider sli intel+nvidia??


haha... waiting for Llano to fully hit our shores before purchasing any lappy...

btw... 1.9ghz turbo core to 2.6ghz on fastest llano A8 apu.....

oc it, then wat hppn huh, the intel engineer is here whut... ahahaha

Hey guys.

I found out a way to combine my Nvidia Geforce GT540M and Intel HD 3000.

Getting constant 50 - 60 fps in Call of Duty Black Ops. Max settings. 1366x768. All other graphical settings are maxed out.

I'm using this tutorial.

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