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Hardware First Llano QuadCore Notebook in Malaysia, Acer 5560G, ASUS A43TA, HP G4-1204AX
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FullMetalBoy
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 Jul 11 2011, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE Intel has an easier time since they practically refreshes the graphic adapter together with the CPU... new CPU = new mobo chipset = new graphic adapter.... in Westmere (1st gen Core i) they merely put the CPU and GPU in the same die and connect each other with DMI, so technically the 2 are still separate from one another... it's only in Sandy Bridge that Intel merges the GPU into the CPU (the GPU can access the L3 cache of the CPU), so that's sth that is similar to AMD's APU... they are in the same package not on the same die. the amd gpu's cant access memory cache(L2) of the cpu but can access the system memory. |
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astria
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Jul 11 2011, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE(FullMetalBoy @ Jul 11 2011, 01:23 AM) they are in the same package not on the same die. the amd gpu's cant access memory cache(L2) of the cpu but can access the system memory. try dissect a Westmere dual core, u'll find the 2 parts are built separately... the CPU is made in 32nm while GPU is made in 45nm, wat Intel called the "Building Block" approach, so that they can speed up the development process... they wanted to use the same approach in Sandybridge, but with APU approaching Intel knows Building Block is not going to meet the demand for performance... and Building Block raises the cost of production as well, since u'll need 2 separate production lines to produce 2 different products... |
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siaokialeong
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Jul 11 2011, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE(FullMetalBoy @ Jul 11 2011, 01:23 AM) they are in the same package not on the same die. the amd gpu's cant access memory cache(L2) of the cpu but can access the system memory. they all on the same die..AMD allocate each core an individual L2 cache without L3 shared cache as in Intel Architecture..For AMD, the GPU communicate with CPU via IMC..i dunno how to explain thoroughly, perhaps some Pro can enlighten us    by the way.. two die on a single package look like this:  single vs two...  |
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IvanWong1989
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Jul 11 2011, 01:59 AM
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haha.... the westmere look funny... =.=.....
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FullMetalBoy
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Jul 11 2011, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE they are in the same package not on the same die. i was referring to the westmere. the westmere put 2 different silicon onto the same cpu package under 1 heat spreader. one for the cpu and one for the gpu. in sandy bridge theres only one silicon consist of both cpu and gpu on the same silicon die. |
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siaokialeong
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Jul 11 2011, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE(FullMetalBoy @ Jul 11 2011, 02:07 AM) i was referring to the westmere. the westmere put 2 different silicon onto the same cpu package under 1 heat spreader. one for the cpu and one for the gpu. in sandy bridge theres only one silicon consist of both cpu and gpu on the same silicon die. OIC..found an interesting article discuss on the CPU/GPU communication path.. http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/56168/402191.aspxIn summary,Intel has more advance connection path but sucky GPU, in contrast, AMD has an inferior/less effective CPU/GPU interconnection system but backup by a powerful GPU (which means that AMD's current design could not fully unleash its integrated GPU power) This post has been edited by siaokialeong: Jul 11 2011, 02:23 AM |
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FullMetalBoy
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Jul 11 2011, 02:29 AM
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i guess the intel's one uses more power just for the connection path. they also need large amount of L3 to store data.
well to me, the amd is easier and cheaper to implement
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astria
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Jul 11 2011, 02:41 AM
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QUOTE(siaokialeong @ Jul 11 2011, 02:20 AM) OIC..found an interesting article discuss on the CPU/GPU communication path.. http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/56168/402191.aspxIn summary,Intel has more advance connection path but sucky GPU, in contrast, AMD has an inferior/less effective CPU/GPU interconnection system but backup by a powerful GPU (which means that AMD's current design could not fully unleash its integrated GPU power) CPU - Intel > AMD GPU - AMD > Intel that's all... the integrated GPU is not really sth that's powerful... my Athlon II x2 at home is more than sufficient to feed HD4670... basically i would say Llano is a gamer's dream come true... the combination is perfect for playing games without costing u a limb or two... |
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IvanWong1989
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Jul 11 2011, 08:17 AM
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if it's true amd current connection haven unleash the gpu to full potential... wah i cant think of when they can  |
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siksa
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Jul 11 2011, 10:41 AM
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fuuu... 1899 oni intel will butthurt i term or pricing. even i3 sb is 1999  Malaysia acer is always the first.  intel win on cpu speed but will lose on gaming,multimedia and battery life. i would love to have an 11" version of a6 llano.really gamer dream come true.imagine playing sc2 on medium for 2-3 hour on battery. |
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SUSngkhanmein
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Jul 11 2011, 11:36 AM
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so i pick CPU > INTEL & GPU > AMD like my lappy.. |
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destee88
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Jul 11 2011, 03:18 PM
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mind i ask where can i get acer aspire 5560G ???
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astria
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Jul 11 2011, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(siksa @ Jul 11 2011, 10:41 AM) fuuu... 1899 oni intel will butthurt i term or pricing. even i3 sb is 1999 Malaysia acer is always the first. intel win on cpu speed but will lose on gaming,multimedia and battery life. i would love to have an 11" version of a6 llano.really gamer dream come true.imagine playing sc2 on medium for 2-3 hour on battery. dun think 11" has the space to house a heatsink to handle 35W TDP... unless u re talking abt AW m11x, that is... |
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IvanWong1989
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Jul 11 2011, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(astria @ Jul 11 2011, 03:30 PM) dun think 11" has the space to house a heatsink to handle 35W TDP... unless u re talking abt AW m11x, that is... gogo m11x!!!!! lolx.. menacing.... eheh.... asus july august brchire no hav a8 apu/... wuwu..... zzzz only one(1) model for llano...zzzzzzz frustrated.... |
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Najmods
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Jul 11 2011, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 11 2011, 08:17 AM) if it's true amd current connection haven unleash the gpu to full potential... wah i cant think of when they can Nah, it won't have much benefits. PCI Express X16 2.0 only have 8GB/s bandwidth each direction (16GB/s total) which means it much less than 29.8GB/s using 1.86GHz DDR3 on Llano. Its not a matter of link speed, it's a matter of GPU power. |
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k-bkeat
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Jul 11 2011, 06:24 PM
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omg. this is better than i5 2410m?
Might give up on n43sl n get this. Anyone see it on market yet?
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astria
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Jul 11 2011, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(k-bkeat @ Jul 11 2011, 06:24 PM) omg. this is better than i5 2410m? Might give up on n43sl n get this. Anyone see it on market yet? depends on work, but 2410M should still be better in most cases... wat Llano sells is the overall performance of the whole chip... |
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brokenbomb
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Jul 11 2011, 09:21 PM
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so for rendering or encoding..i5 beats llano A6 etc hands down?
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IvanWong1989
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Jul 11 2011, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(brokenbomb @ Jul 11 2011, 09:21 PM) so for rendering or encoding..i5 beats llano A6 etc hands down? should be... those take alot cpu raw power.. haha... llano is just allrounder.... rmb that... if hav budget to pack intel+nvidiar/radeon... haha... it willl still beat llano , my own opinion.. if hav budget la.. most people 2k+-.. llano suits them! ^^ allrounder . |
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brokenbomb
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Jul 12 2011, 03:27 PM
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hurm. 4 existing cores? or a 2 core HT into 4 cores? benchmark shows that i5 2410>a6. but..hurm.. was thinking of getting a43sv..but a43ta is not tat bad either.. decision decision. haha. trust me. lepas beli im gonna boycott mobile computing thread. sakit hati ja seeing new tech comes up. |
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