just pay and learn the lesson...
not a big deal, wasting your time thinking

Edward,

In my opinion, u shouldn't pay the RM 5K. How would u know that he will not ask u for another 5K again and again and tell u the same reason (rugi). Then u will have the same worry (kacau u, etc.) and it will back to the square again. Very difficult to come to an end.

Tell him that everything have to go as according to what been agreed earlier regardless of written or verbal. He cannot create a story just like that. Can i tell him now i got no money coz i rugi in business, etc and pay him less? How can he quote u a cheap price to get the business and charge u back later? Does it make sense? No need to let him know that he is the cheapest among other contractors u have compared.

Tell him that ur reno budget is very tight. And tell him that u have already spent RM 150K for the reno, over the years, for sure u will need to do some repair & maintenance and for sure u r going to give him more business. Tell him that u have some friends/families that are going to buy house and looking for contractor to renovate their house also and for sure u will recommend him to them. Give him the impression that u intend to work long term with him so don't spoil the relationship with the merely RM 5K. Ask him to just give and take. Tell him to be more professional and for long term, he is going to earn many many RM 5K. Tell him that u have some plan to do some extension for your house, etc but not now coz u need to save enough money first and he will get new business again. So come on lah, why u want to charge that RM 5K to spoil all this. Tell him those extra work is some good service that u expect from a good contractor.

But whether u will work long term with him or not or to give him business or not is another matter.

If I were you, I'd most probably pay him so that I can sleep soundly every night and not worry about having someone doing something one day. But I will have a man to man talk with him, tell him how tight I am financially but that I will pay, BUT THEN use kochin's technique - pay after 6 months liability period. Any thing not right, he has to fix it FOC otherwise, this 5K I won't pay!

SO, pay to gangster

don't pay to gentleman/ family man ....

never judge a book by its cover LOL

i have encountered very nice suppliers, with "incredible" backgrounds or contacts. never mess with them >_<

i have seen many worse cases. which is why i say your 5k is not a considerable amount. i have seen contractors running away with huge sums of money, not to mention the contractor was an old fren of my fren.

yes we all hate cheaters, but no one is perfect. they also need to make a living. people do make mistakes also...he might have underestimated the extent of your reno, and quoted you less. Reason i say this is because he only asked for 5k more, and not 10k or 20k.

pay him the 5k...ask him to leave, forget the pillars. move on. your family's safety is more important than that 5k... money can be earned. treat this as another experience in life. no point wasting more time worrying this and that, in the end cause more fear and stress only.

AGREE...

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Added on July 1, 2011, 5:54 amwithout black or white or any document regarding from ur renovation, ur police report is 'buang masa'..just report and police 'tidur'
think about it..just pay and u free from afraid..thats simple option...

This post has been edited by AzimAdhwa: Jul 1 2011, 05:54 AM

Is an old man stay with a wife and a child...child also do construction...

I have been visited his house a lot of time during renovation...

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Added on July 1, 2011, 7:01 amUnderstand..

I will try to talk to him...He is a stubborn people..hope he will accepet what I have said...

This post has been edited by edwardsiow: Jul 1 2011, 07:01 AM

TS,

IMHO, you are penny wise pound foolish.

A) You are in no position of negotiating at this moment... There are some works need to be done. Until that is done, how could you say no?? If he leave the work undone, can YOU get someone else to finish this for 5K??

B) You change the scope of work and want it done for free. Now, he is asking for 5K more.. You did not keep your part of black and white but you expect him to do the same???

Do not be penny wise and pound foolish. Get him to finish the work and pay him the remaining 5K first. Tell him that you will pay him extra 5K after one month if you find no other problem.

Now, if you mess this up, serve you right...

Life is a 2 way street. You want something extra from others but you refuse to give something back. Then, you trying to justify your action by claiming someone else break their promise?? This is NOT RIGHT. If I know this about you, I will not be interested in dealing with you at all...

Dreamer

gang, rm150k he already make profit. unless he spend 3months to complete then for sure he is rugi.

bro, if 5k can buy you a peace of mind and safety, why not?
it is nothing compared to your reno cost.

if i were you, i will pay him 5k and request him to finish the pillars.

dude, sincerely. I think your 150k renovation worth more than 5k. make a deal with him that this is Final, put it into black and white and take this as a lesson.

Dreamer,

a) I am not a person who know how to play "tricks" and cakap berbelit-belit...I just know that the final undone work is stated in document previously..

b) Maybe I need to clarify more here..I did change the scope of work and my cost has changed from 110k to 150k..I have paid all the add-ons works without delay any cents..At first, I believe him very much..so, no black & white has been written...I request for quotation on extra tasks and pay during the renovation....then, at the end, I found out that after he has received almost 90% of money, he suddenly changed his behaviour..start broke promises and don't want to admit what he has said before..

example:
On of the task to plastering my fencing..At beginning, he says he buys materials and I pay the workers fee..after one week, he don't admit and want me to pay all including materials and worker fee..what will you feel?

This post has been edited by edwardsiow: Jul 1 2011, 10:46 AM

Hi~ Can i know what are you reno your house for cost 150 k ?

lesson learned... Nothing is FREE in this world. Wake up and be realistic...
How do you expect the contractor to do work for FREE.

It already mentioned FREE, why still need RM5k?. Profit or lost is non of ur business. I only heard contractors cant collect full payment from owner and not vice-verse like your case.

i am agree~!!!!~~~~ my contractor also tell me like that " Nothing is FREE in this world" and if everything want the cheap maybe someone can given but got to compare the quality~~~` so i also over my budget~

I know that nothing is FREE in this world..I am not ask him to do first later I request for FREE...is I ask for FREE first before he do....

It is like freebie mah...If you buy hood and you get a free sink, later the supplier request you to return the sink, can?

This post has been edited by edwardsiow: Jul 1 2011, 12:32 PM

So what exactly is your extension? Honestly RM150k is a lot of money. Put it down in black and white here and we will tell you if the contractor is really pulling a fast one.

There is not much difference between

1. whether you ask the contractor to do the additional work for free before he start the additional work; or

2. Asking the contractor to do the additional work for free after he completes them

Both boils down to having the contractor doing the work for FREE.

Be realistic. How do you expect the contractor to subsidies your reno work. Come on. Wake up

For you maybe the same, but for me is different...anyway, thanks for your advices..