lol how bout i charge LYN customers extra 5% and the amount will b donated to LYN forumers who cant finish their reno work

Can someone do free Tiling for me?

i never aspect this topic will talk till 5 pages, which means that 'edwardsiow' serious don't wants to pay the him the 5k and seeking out solution out here. IF 'edwardsiow' seriously think this way, then this is the only way to settle >>

i have a feeling :

1) he is a chinese contractor
2) he already profit a lot from your rm150K
3) he tried to squeeze in more money by telling you it's free, then later only cheat you for more money
4) he knows he can cheat you easily because no black and white provided.

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Added on July 17, 2011, 3:05 ami think he is not stressing on the word "FREE". after reading what he actually says,
he is not comfortable with the fact that his contractor says it's free but yet later comes back to him asking for money.
in other words, even before the contractor says he will do it for free, the contractor should
have known some estimation of his OWN COST and yes, whether the contractor rugi or not, actually is none of his business.
Im not sure why so many people here stress on the word "FREE". He's trying to explain to you guys about ethics. What
his contractor is doing is called cheating. I believe if you say people need to cari makan, yes there's always a plus and minus...but obviously not until thousands of difference i guess.

and unfortunately for him, he trust his contractor too much. That is a big NO NO. Now, that is about what he is talking...however, TS you should also think about trying to get the contractor to finish your remaing work. So, for that, I think you should tell your contractor to finish whatever work he needs to do, and then see of there's any defects then need to do touch up, and then only pay the rm5K. You have to think if you can get someone else to do the remaining work for rm5K or not, else please tell him to finish the remaing work and put in rm5K into his arse...and end of story.

my advise to you : im not sure if you are a cost effective person or a stingy person, but either way, you need to know in certain situations, it's best to pay a little more just to get done with this...you need to choose wisely contractor, and hope you can also advise who is that lucky contractor to get a rm150K work ?

This post has been edited by sakura888: Jul 17 2011, 03:15 AM

here we go again... if only you have read them from the beginning...

What is the definition of FREE? According to the Cambridge Dictionary - costing nothing and not needing to pay for.

TS is asking his contractor (the cheapest of the 10 contractors) to construct the staircase and he was expecting it to be free. Constructing a staircase is not something that is cheap. You need labour and materials. How would you expect for the cheapest contractor to subsidise that.
Sometimes the contractor are willing to do additional work for free provided they have sufficient profit to cover that. A quick look will tell you that this is not that case as TS was using the cheapest of the 10 contractors that quoted him.

So, if at the end of the day, the contractor find that he is losing money, he will ask for payment for those additional works.

simple, then why did the contractor say it's free(for whichever work he says) ? since you take the effort to elaborate so long. you can argue until the cow comes home, but the main point is Why say it's free ? ( please note that the customer dont have any background in this field, so please dont expect the customer to even disbelief the contractor he is lying when the contractor SAY IT'S FREE, and also you are implying that before the contractor even started his work, he dont calculate his profit ? Any businessman who is doing this way, wont be long in this industry. It's like the contractor is desperate for business and just hentam the price in the quotation ?) Im not sure if the TS did expect the staircase is done free ?

between, i really think you miss the main point here, you keep defining, explaning, and wondering about the word FREE, when the actual issue is about the ACTION OF SAYING IT'S FREE, not the word itself.

This post has been edited by sakura888: Jul 17 2011, 01:10 PM

You may be right is saying that the contractor has turn back on his word that he will do the additional work for free.
Like what I have mentioned, if the contractor finds that he is losing money after doing the additional work, will he just accept that.
Go figure out. Nobody will do thing for free unless it is for charity.

then the contractor should have CALCULATE his profit even before saying it's free or even before the work is being done. but once the contractor have said, do you think it's the customer problem anymore ? seriously ?

true nobody will do things for free, but again another main point here, dont expect the customer to carry the burden for a contractor's mistake. If the customer is good person, he will do that at his own goodwill. I think there should be a negotiation here between the contractor and the customer, instead of applying stubbornness here. Life is not perfect, so both also have to at times give in.

This post has been edited by sakura888: Jul 17 2011, 01:18 PM

As you have mentioned, Life is not perfect...

Oh, just noticed that you have just joined yesterday....

so you mean life is not perfect so it's ok for the contractor to do such things ?

what's wrong with i join yesterday and start to do posting ?

The first place why the he want to ask for a free stair? Any person will know rebuilding a stairs is not an easy task. Is like going to buy a new car, pay down payment. Later ask for free sun roof.

Now I am still renovating my house, i add bit here and there. The first thing i ask the contractor, "is this included in the early quote", if not how much extra. (e.g. extra concrete top), hack here and there. He will say a bit only lah, only pay me labor loh. The next question i ask him, my labor is RM 50 woh. So how much is your labor? Then he give me the actual numbers. End up few hundreds. Both agree, job start. Something he give free like hacking that is easy understand cause no material involved.

The problem is everyone may have assume something but is difference assumption. I learn the word "Assume" = Ass+U+me, so don;t make assumption, ask direct, if not clear don't assume get it clear out. And if big things really give free, ask for B&W if you don't trust him/her.

I always believe nothing is free in this world.

omg!
after some time, can't believe this thread still on going.
was amused that such a thread have its sustainability so i decided to revisit.
and omg, still arguing about the 'freebies'.

lesson learnt.
my reno starting next month, am going to ask my contractor for a free house.

You might as well ask for a free car too...

How about Free furniture, and Zero cost move in?

I think some of the friends here think too much and out of the track very seriously..

It is not the "can/cannot request freebie" problem..It is about the integrity, about the things that being promised and agreed by contractor to TS had been turned down afterward..please take note, the promises are turned down after completed the task and not before doing the task..I think that there is no any issue if the contractor told TS sincerely before start doing the task..even I believe if contractor told TS before start doing the task, TS will try to negotiate with contractor about the price..I think TS feel "cheated" after being told that those promises are "false" when everything had been done..

Please, it is not the TS fault..there is nothing wrong in the case that "TS requests freebie and someone agrees to give willingly"..Please don't keep debate and argue in the topic of "can/cannot request freebie"..who don't know in this world nothing is free?? TS has right to request freebies or free services and at the same time TS has ready to accept any reject/answer from contractor in sincere manner..

I am amazed that someone still posting and joking without take care the feeling of TS...shame with your mindset and attitude...



This post has been edited by tiensong: Jul 18 2011, 11:31 AM

There is a practice of common sense.

If already found the cheapest among the contractor, and later ask for freebies. Do you think this can workout?

Always listen two side of the story, we have not heard of the contractor comment / feedback (think this will never happen). So we judge base on one input.

I deal with many people, and sometime the customer can be very nasty too, when come to payment they ask for free this free that before want to give money. <PS, i am not saying TS is like this>. But we don't know the other side of the story.

Cheapest among contractor does it mean cheapest in Klang Valley even Selangor? Cheapest can't ask for freebies? can workout or not is not say by you...if can't workout, contractor can terus reject TS...

and TS not request freebies when payment....TS request freebies before start doing the task..

I feel that I am very hard to communicate with you....anyway, I better leave this topic...You want to membelit-belit up to you...

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Added on July 18, 2011, 11:59 amLast word, TS until now still havent announce the contractor name and contact number...I can't see any purpose if TS lie to us and accuse the contractor...



This post has been edited by tiensong: Jul 18 2011, 11:59 AM

You don't have to. Is not a must to communicate with me.