There are so many threads discussing on past, existing and future project, but I just curious which Taman (which project / phase / launching) has achieved the highest in capital appreciation (Since 2000)?
I am referring to residential landed / condo / service apartment only..
Anyone can share share yr research?

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jan 22 2013, 11:16 PM

Desa park city any phase

Phase 1, 2, 3 almost 300%-400% right?

too subjective bro.
think it depends on timeline too.
some boom faster, some boom later.
some boom really fast, some are slow and steady.

eg. bangsar have been consistently going up. are you gonna say they are no good because DPC gave the same return over a shorter period?

what about which project 'WILL' achieve highest gain? give me tips

I think u need to specify price range.
Million dollar 1 shoot up faster

By % or Dollar?

Horizon Hill in JB

Let me quote a few
DP = developer's price TP= Transacted price

Bdr Kinrara (Sentosa) (Link) - 462K (DP 2009) - 750K (TP 2011)= 62% (2 yrs)
Bdr Kinrara (Permai) (Link) - 380K (DP 2008) - 780K (TP 2011) = 105% (3 yrs)
Taman Esplanad (2 1/2 superlink) - 438K (DP 2002) - 1.1 mil (TP 2011) = 151% (9 yrs)
Temasya Glemarie (Superlink) - 750K (DP 2009) - 1.36 mil (TP 2011) = 81.3% (2 yrs)
DPC Adiva (link) - 460K (DP 2003) - 1.40 mil (TP 2010) = 204% (7 yrs)
Bukit Rimau (SD) - 720K (DP 2008) - 1.35 mil (TP 2011) = 87.5% (3 yrs)

E&O Sri Tanjung (Penang), anyone know?

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jun 28 2011, 08:25 PM

Let me add one into the list which I was earlier looking at purchasing:

Seri Maya Condo (Setiawangsa) - 220k (2005) - 500k (2011) = 227.2% (6 yrs)

Savana should be another record breaking..

other smaller once also getting very good appreciation
Sierra Residency @ BK5 - 100k @ DP price.. currently transacted @ >200k

riana east? from 200 - 450

i really missed and regret this sri maya!

Cheras C180 3-storey shophouses.


Developer price: 1.3 mil (with DIBS) for intermediate.

Latest transacted (April' 11) price : 2.6 mil (up 100% in less than 2 years)

Current asking price : 2.8 mil.

Really? I thought the 3-storey was going for around 2.1m.

Kuchai Entreprenuer's Park 2 - shophouses (25 x 75)

Developer price: 0.92 mil (2003)

Current offered price (but no taker) : 2.45 mil (up 166% in 8 years)

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Added on June 28, 2011, 11:07 pm2.x mil was for the later phases.

1.3 mil was for the 1st phase (same row as the new Maybank / Overtime).

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Added on June 28, 2011, 11:27 pmEsplanad B.Jalil 2.5 superlink

Bought in 2002 1 corner unit 53 x 75 @ 665k undertable included.
Meant for own stay, but not G&G SO changed mind and sold upon VP in 2004 for only 840k.

Heard that basic corner now can fetch close to 2 mil ???


This post has been edited by tongying: Jun 28 2011, 11:27 PM

Wow.... crazy.

DP = developer's price TP= Transacted price


DPC Adiva (link) - 460K (DP 2003) - 1.40 mil (TP 2010) = 204% (7 yrs)
Tmn Esplanad Bkt Jalil (2 1/2 superlink) - 438K (DP 2002) - 1.1 mil (TP 2011) = 151% (9 yrs)
Savanna Bkt Jalil (condo) - 240K (DP 2005) - 550K (TP 2011)= 129% (6 yrs)
Seri Maya Setiawangsa (condo) - 220k (DP 2005) - 500k (TP 2011) = 127.2% (6 yrs)
Sierra Residensi Kinrara (condo) - 110K (DP 2006) - 240K (TP 2011)= 118% (4 yrs)
Bdr Kinrara (Permai) (Link) - 380K (DP 2008) - 780K (TP 2011) = 105% (3 yrs)
Bukit Rimau (SD) - 720K (DP 2008) - 1.35 mil (TP 2011) = 87.5% (3 yrs)
Temasya Glemarie (Superlink) - 750K (DP 2009) - 1.36 mil (TP 2011) = 81.3% (2 yrs)
Meranti Jaya Puchong (2 1/2 link) - 398K (DP 2006) - 720K (TP 2011)= 80.9% (5 yrs)
Tmn Esplanad (Zero-lot SD) - 1.63 mil (DP 2008) - 2.70 mil (TP 2011)= 65.6% (3 yrs)
Bdr Kinrara (Sentosa) (Link) - 462K (DP 2009) - 750K (TP 2011)= 62% (2 yrs)
Perdana Residence 2 Selayang (3s Superlink) - 856K (DP 2010) - 1.10 mil (TP 2011)= 28.5% (1 yr)


p/s : average shops appreciation are much much higher than residential properties, too many projects can be named. Let's concentrate landed and condo only (preferably for developer's price less than 2.0 million)

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jun 29 2011, 01:10 AM

kuchai avenue - 100%

Some highrise examples :

Casa Suites - 160k launch now 400k?

Tropics - 180k launch now 400k?

Amcorp - 120k launch now 280k

Casa Mutiara - 130k launch now 280k

Maytower - 100k launch now 300k

Axis Ampang - 100k launch now 260k

Tamarind Sentul - 180k launch now 450k

Parkview KLCC - 200k launch now 400k

details? year?

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Added on June 29, 2011, 12:56 amDetails? year?

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Added on June 29, 2011, 1:11 amDP = developer's price TP= Transacted price


DPC Adiva (link) - 460K (DP 2003) - 1.40 mil (TP 2010) = 204% (7 yrs)
Tmn Esplanad Bkt Jalil (2 1/2 superlink) - 438K (DP 2002) - 1.1 mil (TP 2011) = 151% (9 yrs)
Savanna Bkt Jalil (condo) - 240K (DP 2005) - 550K (TP 2011)= 129% (6 yrs)
Seri Maya Setiawangsa (condo) - 220k (DP 2005) - 500k (TP 2011) = 127.2% (6 yrs)
Sierra Residensi Kinrara (condo) - 110K (DP 2006) - 240K (TP 2011)= 118% (4 yrs)
Bdr Kinrara (Permai) (Link) - 380K (DP 2008) - 780K (TP 2011) = 105% (3 yrs)
Bukit Rimau (SD) - 720K (DP 2008) - 1.35 mil (TP 2011) = 87.5% (3 yrs)
Temasya Glemarie (Superlink) - 750K (DP 2009) - 1.36 mil (TP 2011) = 81.3% (2 yrs)
Meranti Jaya Puchong (2 1/2 link) - 398K (DP 2006) - 720K (TP 2011)= 80.9% (5 yrs)
Tmn Esplanad (Zero-lot SD) - 1.63 mil (DP 2008) - 2.70 mil (TP 2011)= 65.6% (3 yrs)
Bdr Kinrara (Sentosa) (Link) - 462K (DP 2009) - 750K (TP 2011)= 62% (2 yrs)
Perdana Residence 2 Selayang (3s Superlink) - 856K (DP 2010) - 1.10 mil (TP 2011)= 28.5% (1 yr)


p/s : average shops appreciation are much much higher than residential properties, too many projects can be named. Let's concentrate landed and condo only (preferably for developer's price less than 2.0 million)

Property < 500K (developer's price) achieves promising results
2005 & 2006 are golden opportunity years!

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jun 29 2011, 01:23 AM

If talking about VP..........then mostly since 2007.........except Tamarind in 2005-2006 if I remember correctly.............

DP = developer's price TP= Transacted price

Adiva (Desa Parkcity) (link) - 460K (DP 2003) - 1.40 mil (TP 2010) = 204% (7 yrs)
Axis Atrium (Soho) - 100K (DP 2006) - 260K (TP 2009)= 160% (5 yrs)
Tmn Esplanad (Bkt Jalil) (superlink) - 438K (DP 2002) - 1.1 mil (TP 2011) = 151% (9 yrs)
The Tamarind Sentul (condo) - 180K (DP 2003) - 450K (TP 2010)= 150% (8 yrs)
Savanna (Bkt Jalil) (condo) - 240K (DP 2005) - 550K (TP 2011)= 129% (6 yrs)
Seri Maya (Setiawangsa) (condo) - 220k (DP 2005) - 500k (TP 2011) = 127.2% (6 yrs)
The Tropics PJ (S Apt) - 190K (DP 2006) - 430K (TP 2011)= 126.3% (5 yrs)
Jalil Sutera (Bkt Jalil) (Superlink) - 540K (DP 2003) - 1.2 mil (TP 2011)= 122% (8 yrs)
Putra Heights 1st Phase (Link) - 180K (DP 2003) - 400K (TP 2011)= 122% (8 yrs)
Sierra Residensi Kinrara (condo) - 110K (DP 2006) - 240K (TP 2011)= 118% (4 yrs)
Casa Mutiara KL (S Apt) - 130K (DP 2004) - 280K (TP 2007)= 116.9% (7 yrs)
Meadows Lakefield (Link) - 350K (DP 2005) - 750K (TP 2010) = 114% (6 yrs)
Casa Suites SS2 (condo) - 190K (DP 2005) - 400K (TP 2011)=110.5% (6 yrs)
Permai (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 380K (DP 2008) - 780K (TP 2011) = 105% (3 yrs)
Arena Green (Bkt Jalil) (Apt) - 134K (2003) - 270K (TP 2010) = 101.5% (8 yrs)
MayTower Ser Apt (KL) - 170K (DP 2004) - 330K (TP 2011) = 94.1% (7 yrs)
Lake Edge (Puchong) (Superlink) - 400K (DP 2004) - 760K (TP 2010)= 90% (7 yrs)
Temasya Glemarie (Superlink) - 750K (DP 2009) - 1.36 mil (TP 2011) = 81.3% (2 yrs)
Meranti Jaya (Puchong) (2 1/2 link) - 398K (DP 2006) - 720K (TP 2011)= 80.9% (5 yrs)
Sri Tanjung (Penang) (2 1/2 link) - 735K (DP 2005) - 1.3 mil (TP 2011)= 76.8% (6 yrs)
Tmn Esplanad (Zero-lot SD) - 1.63 mil (DP 2008) - 2.70 mil (TP 2011)= 65.6% (3 yrs)
Sentosa (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 462K (DP 2009) - 750K (TP 2011)= 62% (2 yrs)
Bkt Manda'rina (Cheras) (Link) - 505K (DP 2005) - 750K (TP 2011)= 48.5% (6 yrs)
Perdana Residence 2 (Selayang) (3s Superlink) - 856K (DP 2010) - 1.10 mil (TP 2011)= 28.5% (1 yr)


1. 2005-2008 - Golden Year for property bull run
2. Condo's appreciation is amazing (entry before 2007)

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jul 3 2011, 02:21 AM

good topic..at least we know which boat that we missed

desa putra condo - 2006 - 200k.... 2011 - 550k .(6 years 275%) - > I'm actually eying to buy it now

175% appreciation

Wangsa metroview tak mau meh? freehold leh rental 1600

chief,

TP should be calculated based on capital placed for the acquisition no? In essence.......we should use COCR to measure TP right?

if use COCR..........Adiva's ROI should be >2000% in just 7 years.............

Kok pun got 2 biji over there...

what is COCR?

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This post has been edited by 1282009: Jan 20 2013, 11:39 PM

Suriamas,Sunway Rm180k (200?) Now Rm400k (2011)
Solaris Rm2m once completed Rm4m
CBD2, Cyberjaya Rm1.8 (2009) Rm4m (2011)
Alam Impian semiD Rm750k (2009) Rm1.4(2011)
Alam Impian terrace Rm550k(2009) Rm1.0m(2011)cor

COCR = Cash on Cash Return ? if i no mistaken......

NorthPoint Mid Valley

Very subjective. Some have already fully repaid the loan. Anyway, still a good return.

all this is sifu property eh?

Highest gain residential project

DP = developer's price TP= Transacted price

Condo / Service Apartment / Soho / Studio

1) Axis Atrium (Soho) - 100K (DP 2006) - 260K (TP 2009)= 160% (5 yrs)
2) The Tamarind Sentul (condo) - 180K (DP 2003) - 450K (TP 2010)= 150% (8 yrs)
3) Savanna (Bkt Jalil) (condo) - 240K (DP 2005) - 550K (TP 2011)= 129% (6 yrs)
4) Seri Maya (Setiawangsa) (condo) - 220k (DP 2005) - 500k (TP 2011) = 127.2% (6 yrs)
5) The Tropics PJ (S Apt) - 190K (DP 2006) - 430K (TP 2011)= 126.3% (5 yrs)
6) Sierra Residensi Kinrara (condo) - 110K (DP 2006) - 240K (TP 2011)= 118% (4 yrs)
7) Casa Mutiara KL (S Apt) - 130K (DP 2004) - 280K (TP 2007)= 116.9% (7 yrs)
8) Casa Suites SS2 (condo) - 190K (DP 2005) - 400K (TP 2011)=110.5% (6 yrs)
9) Arena Green (Bkt Jalil) (Apt) - 134K (DP 2003) - 270K (TP 2010) = 101.5% (8 yrs)
10) MayTower (Ser Apt) (KL) - 170K (DP 2004) - 330K (TP 2011) = 94.1% (7 yrs)
11) The Zest (Ser Apt) (Kinrara) - 225K (DP 2008) - 430K (TP 2011) - 91.1% (3 yrs)
12) Suriamas,Sunway - Rm180k (DP2006) - 400k (TP 2011) = 88.7% (5 years)
13) Puri Aiyu, Shah Alam (condo) - 180K (DP 2004) - 245K (TP 2011) = 36.1% (7 yrs)


Landed

1) Adiva (Desa Parkcity) (link) - 460K (DP 2003) - 1.40 mil (TP 2010) = 204% (7 yrs)
2) Tmn Esplanad (Bkt Jalil) (superlink) - 438K (DP 2002) - 1.25 mil (TP 2011) = 185% (9 yrs)
3) Jalil Sutera (Bkt Jalil) (Superlink) - 540K (DP 2003) - 1.3 mil (TP 2011)= 141% (8 yrs)
4) Putra Heights 1st Phase (Link) - 180K (DP 2003) - 400K (TP 2011)= 122% (8 yrs)
5) Meadows Lakefield (Link) - 350K (DP 2005) - 750K (TP 2010) = 114% (6 yrs)
6) Permai (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 380K (DP 2008) - 800K (TP 2011) = 110% (3 yrs)
7) Lake Edge (Puchong) (Superlink) - 400K (DP 2004) - 760K (TP 2010)= 90% (7 yrs)
8) Alam Impian SemiD (Shah Alam) - 750k (DP 2009) - 1.4 mil (TP 2011) = 86.7%
9) Temasya Glemarie (Superlink) - 750K (DP 2009) - 1.36 mil (TP 2011) = 81.3% (2 yrs)
10) Meranti Jaya (Puchong) (2 1/2 link) - 398K (DP 2006) - 720K (TP 2011)= 80.9% (5 yrs)
11) Sentosa (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 462K (DP 2009) - 830K (TP 2011)= 79.6% (2 yrs)
12) Sri Tanjung (Penang) (2 1/2 link) - 735K (DP 2005) - 1.3 mil (TP 2011)= 76.8% (6 yrs)
13) Desiran (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 492K (DP 2009) - 860K (TP 2011)= 74.7% (2 yrs)
14) Tmn Esplanad (Zero-lot SD) - 1.63 mil (DP 2008) - 2.70 mil (TP 2011)= 65.6% (3 yrs)
15) Bkt Manda'rina (Cheras) (Link) - 505K (DP 2005) - 750K (TP 2011)= 48.5% (6 yrs)
16) Perdana Residence 2 (Selayang) (3s Superlink) - 856K (DP 2010) - 1.10 mil (TP 2011)= 28.5% (1 yr)

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Added on January 26, 2012, 7:43 pmCOCR is vary for each project, some project with low down payment of 5% or special cash rebate offered by developer made the initial cash investment very low, I dun reckon COCR or effective ROI is because when we purchase property, not everyone is getting 90% loan. for example :-

Selling price = 300K, after 5 years TP = 600K
A) Loan 90% - upfront cash 10% = 30K, effective ROI = 1000%
B) Loan 50% - upfront cash 50% = 150K, effective ROI = 100%

secondly, what if price drop to 200K(Assume mkt crash)?
Can we conclude that A suffers 333% lost while B suffers only 67% lost?

COCR will make comparison very complicated, it is more to personal cash flow calculation purpose.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jan 26 2012, 07:45 PM

I guess if the highest % yield per annum goes to:

Another point from here is Kinrara is a good location!
Aiya, the project I just buy is from above pulak

Kinrara is just average, I only familiar BJ & Kinrara, in fact there are plenty of projects are achieving greater gain than Kinrara. I think in recent yrs, Kota Damansara, Ara Damansara, Setia Alam, Bukit Rimau, Bandar Puteri, Solaris, Setapak, Setia Eco Park, Kota Kemuning, Mahkota Cheras, Mid Valley, Sri Petaling, PJ SS16 etc are performing better than Kinrara. Anyone familiar these areas may contribute the latest transacted date to this thread.

heard K5 enclave is doing super well. maybe need to add some melawati transaction in there as well.

How about 3 Residence and Gaya Apartment in Taman Melawati? Is
that alot of transaction since VP?

PV apartments around setapak area....

This post has been edited by Seremban_Guy123: Jan 27 2012, 09:47 AM

Bukit OUG - 115K (2010) 275K (2011)
Wangsa metroview - 250k (2009) 430-450k (2012)

How about 3 Residence and Gaya Apartment?

PJ Kg Kayu Ara, Jalan Dahlia (2003) - Landed 18x70 RM199k -> RM450k now more than 100%

This post has been edited by M2K2Land: Jan 27 2012, 02:16 PM

Very hard to compare la. Which project completed 10 years ago and do not appreciate more than 50% or 100%? However the price remain stagnant after 8-10 years and on par with newly completed project.

The material is cheap 10 years back and now the material is expensive, there the newly completed project is selling on par with market price and the 10 years old condo/apartment sell slightly below par of newly completed project.

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Added on January 27, 2012, 6:14 pmIf not mistaken, those projects launched at 2008-2009 ( before the BBB in 2010 onwards ) and just completed last year or this year, would have the highest appreciation by % per year in terms of shortest period
bcz the new projects already selling at sky rocket prices. .

This post has been edited by Chris Chew: Jan 27 2012, 06:14 PM

Ya also need to consider whether it is a subsale or new project. Even though the duration and %yield per annum is same say 3 years but for subsale, you need to pay 10% deposit, s&p fee, bank loan fee and 3 years of installment. but for new project, only need to pay a bit only in that 3 years because of rebate and some with dibs somemore.

It has been a while since someone contributed to this thread. I wanna post a new one coz I was shocked to know this. Alam Damai Bungalow located on top of hill, bought RM1.3 million in 2007. Latest transacted price in 2012 was RM3 million. wow! Despite leasehold, the appreciation rate was WTF high. This might be the highest i have ever heard of for 5 years old development. Developer:I&P

This post has been edited by AMINT: Nov 11 2012, 01:16 PM

Kota Kemuning, 3 storey shop. 2010 900K , 2012 3mil

Wow. ok, I am gonna bang my head on the wall now. kekeke

transacted price not sales agent price. 20% shop empty 3 mil where got? Please go to kota kumining at noon time and count how many empty shops

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Added on November 11, 2012, 3:19 pmlast 2 rows hardly anybody rents at all. make story also must be believable. Even can sit at back row whole day and count how many car pass by man.

This post has been edited by Z1000: Nov 11 2012, 03:19 PM

add in mine, Kemuning utama - Indah residence
developer price 308k (year 2008)
transacted price 650k+ (april 2012)

Wow. Awesome bro. 4 years included 2 under con year and brought > 100% appreciation.

no lah, where got 100 for both....
Zest only sold at 465k, bought at 260k

Bro, maybe some WONG units r definitely come with high price.

Eg. Telawi 1-5 have diff pricing too. Sg Wang LG-4th floor diff in pricing too. For SW grd floor, the front door shop is definitely gonna come with higher premium. The money changer next to the centre stairs is selling at almost 20k psf. But those next to it is at 7k-10k. And its just a few steps away.

No worries, just buy within budget. Front row n back row definitely diff in price. Just my POV. I dun think a sensible buyer ll pay premium to those at the back row.

Cheer.

Heard those who bought Ameera ss2 @ developer's price are making decent margin too..........

You sure bro? 2 years for 200% gain?
Which road of shoplots you are referring to?

5 stones now asking rm1.5 million
Valuer give 1.4 million
How much purchaser went in

The UNDISPUTED best is Tropics studio bought at 190k now 570k. Increase 3 times in 4 years. Who can beat that?

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Added on November 12, 2012, 10:23 am1800 sf asking 1.1 mil, not much appreciation...

This post has been edited by rocklee88: Nov 12 2012, 10:23 AM

No wonder ppl sell tropics go in tropicana gardens?
Metropark can appreciate the Same way?

new shop, facing main road.

3m is facing main road where rental can fetch 10-13k.

FINAL VERDICT :-

Malaysia Property Olympics Games 2012 Medal :-
(Overall Winner)

GOLD MEDAL : DESA PARK CITY GNG
SILVER MEDAL : AMAN SURIA GNG
BRONCE MEDAL : 28 PROJECTS (THE LIST IS TOO LONG TO BE INCLUDED HERE)

Include la bro. Sure or not Aman Suria is silver? How about Setia Eco Park, Alam Damai, Temasya Glenmarie? Those are a lot better than Aman Suria in terms of appreciation.

shortest time should be TG...vp 2 yrs close to 120%

Yup. That is the highest I have heard so far beside Alam Damai bungalow by I&P.

Actually bandar kinrara before starting the crazy queing up to weeks in 2008, it is started by the 1 night queing of bk2 idaman homes. and very large homes available some even up to 50 × 95 if i am not mistaken. Those big houses opposite giant.

??????

sori out of topic. i was wondering their appreciation

Desa park city gold medal for 2012?? How many percent gain for DPC in 2012?

Some ppl just can't und basic prop investment rules.

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Added on November 12, 2012, 8:55 pm[quote=AMINT,Nov 12 2012, 06:58 PM]Include la bro. Sure or not Aman Suria is silver? How about Setia Eco Park, Alam Damai, Temasya Glenmarie? Those are a lot better than Aman Suria in terms of appreciation.

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This post has been edited by ManutdGiggs: Nov 12 2012, 08:56 PM

Har? Olympic Games 2012 Medal?

The medal was distributed in terms of ...... what?

The verdict is based on appreciation of properties for the past several years, not only in year 2012.

SILVER Medal was offered to Aman Suria as their basic terrace house price was priced @ RM488K and today the price has appreciated @ 1.488M. A glimpse of DPC, Awesome!

Highest still Tropics studio: 190K to 570K in 4 years. Aman Suria easily more than 8 years since launch. Studios beat landed. Even DPC also less than that. Fastest appreciation in DPC is Zenia. Launched 850K now RM2MIL but % appreciation only 135%.

Myth Busted: Landed has highest appreciation.

Seasoned investors are looking at absolute returns not %. There is a property was sold at RM45,000 and now is valued at RM450K.... 900% capital appreciation. Does this property deserved a PLATINUM Medal? Nope! I would rather earn appreciation amount in RM rather than %.

Only % gain is meaningful. You can easily buy more units of Tropics. Of course, better to limit it to something like minimum 150k and above. If you use absolute amount, I might as well say a land bought at 100 mil, now 110mil, gain 10 million beat Tropics or DPC anytime.

For anything >150k at purchase time, I think Tropics is the best.

"BIG Mind thinks BIG, SMALL minds thinks small" (just purely on % returns). From your example above, I would rather earn RM1.15M (Zenia, DPC) rather than RM380K from Tropics.

Better still invest/buy land @ RM100M and sale @ RM350M ... made handsome profit of RM250M. Yes, you can say... such a BIG capital... so, back to my statement above "BIG Mind thinks BIG, SMALL minds thinks small". BIG developers like SPS/Sime/Sunway are looking at RM2.5B sales/profits

"BIG Mind thinks BIG, SMALL mind thinks small"

This post has been edited by KEN007: Nov 13 2012, 12:53 AM

Zenia purchase price 850K. Can use to buy 4 units of Tropics plus 90K spare change. Then, can earn 1.52M instead of 1.15M only from Zenia.

Buying 4 cheap units equivalent to 1 unit of an expensive house is harder in the bank's eyes.

well said... AMINT (experienced investor)

1) Buying 4 cheap units would also used up the person's quota of 90% LTV (1st 2 properties) loan entitlement (for new investors).
2) My lawyers would prefer to give me 50% or maybe 70% discount on legal fees for 1unit X SPA+FA and may not agreed to give me the same discounts for 4units X SPA+FA (to much paper work for the same income/legal fees).
3) It's easier to say TODAY to buy 4 units of Tropics (Nov 2012 - after the price shot-up), but the sales of Tropics was very slowwwww during its initial launch. Only at a later stage the sales improves. At the initial point during launch, does anyone dares to buy 4 units under the same projects (high risks)... during that launched year? Only handful are gung-Ho but very rare.
4) OK ... lets stop here...

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Added on November 14, 2012, 1:26 amwell said... AMINT (experienced investor)

1) Buying 4 cheap units would also used up the person's quota of 90% LTV (1st 2 properties) loan entitlement (for new investors).
2) My lawyers would prefer to give me 50% or maybe 70% discount on legal fees for 1unit X SPA+FA and may not agreed to give me the same discounts for 4units X SPA+FA (to much paper work for the same income/legal fees).
3) It's easier to say TODAY to buy 4 units of Tropics (Nov 2012 - after the price shot-up), but the sales of Tropics was very slowwwww during its initial launch. Only at a later stage the sales improves. At the initial point during launch, does anyone dares to buy 4 units under the same projects (high risks)... during that launched year? Only handful are gung-Ho but very rare.
4) OK ... lets stop here...





This post has been edited by KEN007: Nov 14 2012, 01:26 AM

1) we are talking about higest gain.. dont care how you finance it..
2) i want to buy cash and it make sense buying 4 Tropics than 1 Zenia..
3) The topic didnt not specify how you fund it ... just mere stating which prop has the highest gain in percentage, no need to complicated the issue..
4) rest my case.. good night..

1) The fact of the matter is LTV 70% was not yet in effect when Tropics was launched.
2) Tropics allows small investor to gain their first pot of gold and it allows bigger investor to earn big. Saw a guy whacked about 10 units all over the place.
3) When Zenia was launched, sales was also slow and many units not taken. But that was not what the topic is about.
4) This topic is about highest gain, so Tropics win.
5) 4 units of Tropics is better than 1 unit of Zenia because more liquid, more rental income and can sell partially if needed.

No mater how one looks at it, Tropics win on all counts.

my mom bought one the single story bungalow just beside the golf course at 1.3M in late 2007 or 2008 if not mistaken.current price at 3M++..

a friend of mine working in CIMB told me there is this doctor bought a 2 story bungalow back in 2006 at 1M++ in Setia Alam Eco Park..refinance recently at 8M++..

*feel like a loser reading this thread..

This post has been edited by maryjane9996: Nov 14 2012, 09:36 AM

I though the project for 2012 winner go to. ( as per the dege 2012)

None Commercial
1) Horizon Hill - UEM land/ Gamuda JV

Commercial
2) Kota kemuning - Gamuda

The voting was done by some industry player/developer/ngo agency/propety agent.

Pls buy a copy of the edge and read it. It is so relevant for property inevstment.

I think sabah property give highest gain of a period of less than 3 years.

This post has been edited by tikaram: Nov 14 2012, 10:57 AM

Tropics was launched in oct 2006 hence is 6 yrs not 4 yrs..Price started from 180k think now is slightly above 500k not 570k for lowest floor unit
Must br apple to apple comparison lah

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Zenia purchase price 850K. Can use to buy 4 units of Tropics plus 90K spare change. Then, can earn 1.52M instead of 1.15M only from Zenia.

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rocklee88 you're right. This big mind fail a simple math

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Both of them had their valid points. Maybe they had just diff rules of the game.

However, for me, in current market of selling prices, demand & supply, bank loan tightening, RPGT or whatsover, I would still prefer to diversify it ex buy 5 x RM 400k instead of 1 x RM 2mil, where I get LTV 70% for both method so not much diff in capital for me.

I look into capital vested, progressive interest paid and property price appreciation. Ex. If i buy both units of RM 500k. Say prop A and B. A cost me RM 125k capital payment with 5% discount n DIBS. B costs me RM 150k capital payment with no discount n no DIBS. Say the pro interest costs me RM 25k

Even, 3-4 years later if both A can sell RM 650k and B can sell RM 700. For A, I get back RM RM 175k profit while B i get back RM 175k too.

But, my capital for A is RM 125k means 140% and capital for B is RM 150k + RM 25k = RM 175k, means 100% profit.

Based on this Cash On Capital Return, I prefer both to be happen and of course, I smile bigger for my prop A.

Of course, above was just my normal n simple illustration which I yet to factor in RPGT, S&P upin subsales, Agent Fee and etc.

Different players had diff rules of property implied to their own games.

Highest gain residential project as at 2013, pls help to update

DP = developer's price TP= Transacted price

Condo / Service Apartment / Soho / Studio

1) Axis Atrium (Soho) - 100K (DP 2006) - 260K (TP 2009)= 160% (5 yrs)
2) The Tamarind Sentul (condo) - 180K (DP 2003) - 450K (TP 2010)= 150% (8 yrs)
3) Savanna (Bkt Jalil) (condo) - 240K (DP 2005) - 550K (TP 2011)= 129% (6 yrs)
4) Seri Maya (Setiawangsa) (condo) - 220k (DP 2005) - 500k (TP 2011) = 127.2% (6 yrs)
5) The Tropics PJ (S Apt) - 190K (DP 2006) - 430K (TP 2011)= 126.3% (5 yrs)
6) Sierra Residensi Kinrara (condo) - 110K (DP 2006) - 240K (TP 2011)= 118% (4 yrs)
7) Casa Mutiara KL (S Apt) - 130K (DP 2004) - 280K (TP 2007)= 116.9% (7 yrs)
8) Casa Suites SS2 (condo) - 190K (DP 2005) - 400K (TP 2011)=110.5% (6 yrs)
9) Arena Green (Bkt Jalil) (Apt) - 134K (DP 2003) - 270K (TP 2010) = 101.5% (8 yrs)
10) MayTower (Ser Apt) (KL) - 170K (DP 2004) - 330K (TP 2011) = 94.1% (7 yrs)
11) The Zest (Ser Apt) (Kinrara) - 225K (DP 2008) - 490K (TP 2011) - 117% (5 yrs)
12) Suriamas,Sunway - Rm180k (DP2006) - 400k (TP 2011) = 88.7% (5 years)
13) Puri Aiyu, Shah Alam (condo) - 180K (DP 2004) - 245K (TP 2011) = 36.1% (7 yrs)


Landed

1) Adiva (Desa Parkcity) (link) - 460K (DP 2003) - 1.40 mil (TP 2010) = 204% (7 yrs)
2) Tmn Esplanad (Bkt Jalil) (superlink) - 438K (DP 2002) - 1.45 mil (TP 2013) = 231% (11 yrs)
3) Jalil Sutera (Bkt Jalil) (Superlink) - 540K (DP 2003) - 1.4 mil (TP 2011)= 159% (10 yrs)
4) Putra Heights 1st Phase (Link) - 180K (DP 2003) - 400K (TP 2011)= 122% (8 yrs)
5) Meadows Lakefield (Link) - 350K (DP 2005) - 750K (TP 2010) = 114% (6 yrs)
6) Permai (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 380K (DP 2008) - 900K (TP 2011) = 137% (5 yrs)
7) Lake Edge (Puchong) (Superlink) - 400K (DP 2004) - 760K (TP 2010)= 90% (7 yrs)
8) Alam Impian SemiD (Shah Alam) - 750k (DP 2009) - 1.4 mil (TP 2011) = 86.7%
9) Temasya Glemarie (Superlink) - 750K (DP 2009) - 1.36 mil (TP 2011) = 81.3% (2 yrs)
10) Meranti Jaya (Puchong) (2 1/2 link) - 398K (DP 2006) - 850K (TP 2011)= 113% (7 yrs)
11) Sentosa (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 462K (DP 2009) - 880K (TP 2013)= 90% (2 yrs)
12) Sri Tanjung (Penang) (2 1/2 link) - 735K (DP 2005) - 1.3 mil (TP 2011)= 76.8% (6 yrs)
13) Desiran (Bdr Kinrara) (Link) - 492K (DP 2009) - 930K (TP 2013)= 89% (4 yrs)
14) Tmn Esplanad (Zero-lot SD) - 1.63 mil (DP 2008) - 3.0 mil (TP 2013)= 84% (5 yrs)
15) Bkt Manda'rina (Cheras) (Link) - 505K (DP 2005) - 750K (TP 2011)= 48.5% (6 yrs)
16) Perdana Residence 2 (Selayang) (3s Superlink) - 856K (DP 2010) - 1.10 mil (TP 2011)= 28.5% (1 yr)

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jan 20 2013, 06:50 PM

Alam impian chanting 3. Rm440k DSL now rm680k-700k

Transacted? When?

Brother UFO-ET, this 1 count?

1996 @ Sri Damansara:

Single storey > RM 60k to > RM 500k.
Double storey > RM 100k to > RM 800k.
Corner RM 130k to > RM 1.3 M.

Going up still...

Can but be specific the launched date and developer's price, it is better provide the name / series of the project. But we only take intermediate lot for reference, corner can be any build up / land size


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