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post Sep 14 2011, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 14 2011, 10:44 PM)
Economists no longer able to predict economic crisis, says ISIS chief

KUALA LUMPUR, September 14 — The global economy is now so unbalanced that economists are no longer able to predict crises, said Institute of Strategic and International Studies (ISIS) chief Datuk Mahani Zainal Abidin today.

This comes as the global markets continue to be plagued with uncertainty due to the lingering effects of the 2008 financial meltdown that hit the United States and Europe.

While Malaysia was spared from the financial crisis and has resumed economic expansion after the 2009 recession, its stock market has been rocked by global volatility, while inflation has soared due to pressure from high commodity prices. Property prices have also jumped dramatically owing to ample liquidity.

The think tank chief said that the problem was that the financial economy has become much larger than the real economy and admitted that assumptions used by economists no longer work.

“If you look at the world, economic theory has not kept up with what’s happening,” said Mahani at the launch of the Asia-Pacific Trade and Investment Report 2011 today.

“We can’t predict the future as assumptions don’t reflect reality. The financial part of the economy is bigger than the real part.”

She added that a key factor was that financial institutions were now compensating their CEOs based on profits, which encouraged too much risk taking.

“You look at how much a top banker gets paid versus a good engineer. Good engineers studied very hard. What does a good banker do? Basically shuffling papers,” she said.

The former member of the National Economic Action Council that crafted the New Economic Model for the Najib administration said another factor was that financial products and services have become too complex, which made it easier for speculators to manipulate prices.

“These financial people are very clever,” she said. “All the best brains are going into finance. Financial engineering has become far more complex than real engineering. You look at the high price of gold and other commodities. It is not that we are eating more rice. It is because of financial engineering.”

Mahani also warned that the situation is expected to deteriorate further, with the ratio of the financial sector to the larger economy worsening and potentially causing social problems.

“It is easy to create money, you just print,” she said. “The US quantitative easing pumped in US$600 billion (RM1.8 trillion) just like that. But the effects are (destabilising) capital flows. First, the stock market will go up and down. Now, when I see the stock market go down, I don’t worry anymore. Second, it will bite into property. The non-bankers will no longer able to afford property. Only people who know how to manipulate money can buy property.

She said that Malaysia was lucky in some respects as it had learned from the 1997 Asian financial crisis and was not “gung-ho” about financial liberalisation.

The ISIS head added that Malaysia needed to prepare for the future by building a balanced economy.

“Although we want strong exports we also need a strong domestic economy,” she said. “Don’t forget about agriculture. Last time agriculture was not interesting but now it is considered very important.”

She added that the country needed to take steps to tackle its household debts levels.

As a percentage of GDP, Malaysia’s household debt increased from 66.7 per cent in 2004 to 76 per cent in 2009, which is uncomfortably close to the levels seen in the US prior to the 2008 financial crisis.

“Households have large debts because we encourage consumption,” she said. “Then when there are external shocks, they cannot cope.”
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without help from parent/sibling a normal working degree holder will only be able to buy a house (160k) after working for 3 years... in current market condition..
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post Sep 14 2011, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Sep 14 2011, 11:26 PM)
It means a pair of married degree holders can afford a 320k home, but average transacted price in KL is nearly 500k?

Also, the wealthy baby boomers are soon becoming retirees, it won't help demand of luxury homes either.


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:28 pm

haha. my target price range is US$5000-US$8000/oz in 5 years. we'll see a parabolic move before it pops.  biggrin.gif we'll see.
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if ur said gold target price range is US$5000-US$8000/oz in 5 years... i m sure prop will also be double or triple from current price....at less house can rent, but gold unable to generate income/cash flow... biggrin.gif

sometimes i also doubt the prediction, said gold jump double, but prop drop... it is not logic.... not logic at all..... but the end result... ALL THE GRADUATED DEGREE HOLDER WILL BE KILL BY THIS INFLATION (both prop & gold)..... hehe.... i m doubt........................ rclxub.gif

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post Sep 14 2011, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Sep 15 2011, 12:29 AM)
haha. chill chill. let's drink a cup of limao ais.

I know both GOLD and property are considered tangible assets. We should see property as a financial asset these days, because everyone is borrowing to buy property, when debt bubble implodes, then house prices will be trending down.

We are having a currency crisis now, every country is devaluing their currencies by printing money to boost their export, the central banks in the US and Eurozone are printing money to lend it to their own country (this is a bit complicated, I won't go too deep for this topic).

View GOLD as money that can't be created out of thin air then you will get the picture. It's far from bubble.

The crude oil price will be heading higher either, and commodities like sugar, wheat, cotton etc will be trending up too (these are tangible assets, demand might not increase or even decrease, but the value of paper money going down too much), which means consumer price inflation is going up.

In high inflation environment, the risk financial assets like stocks might go side way, but won't have too much up side, unless we had hyperinflation or total collapse of paper currency, then the stocks in that particular country would explode to the up side.

It's very difficult to predict inflation or deflation going forward in this environment. We would see stock markets crash if full scale deflation kicked in. If governments intervened and printed money to bail out the too big too fail, then the stock markets would not collapse.

Bottom line is, the US dollar and Euro are in big trouble, this is why we MUST own GOLD as a safe heaven asset.
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anyway... hehehe.. as u said anything goes up will come down...
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post Sep 15 2011, 08:52 AM

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post Sep 16 2011, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Sep 16 2011, 12:41 AM)
do you mean the bank which provide "gold account" , create gold from no where?
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i think so.... hehehe.... as the price become expensive.... any org/inst will create more supply, this suppy maybe created artificially or not pure gold.... anything can happen to this world, ppl dare to take risk because of $$$ and worth to take risk at current price...

my 2cents..

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post Sep 18 2011, 09:37 PM

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Our household debt divided by GDP could be the highest in the world...


Rising household debt

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...17&sec=business
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 20 2011, 03:22 PM)
sub sales always follow and sell lower than new launch. if u expect price correction, it shud start from the new developments. til date , new launch still selling at new high. higher than the earlier phase or nearby projects..
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because human react slow to recession...
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post Sep 23 2011, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(2wong @ Sep 22 2011, 11:03 PM)
hi....fact base is keep coming in....read this

Canadian Dollar, Australian Dollar Not Safe Havens; Expect Continued Rally in US Dollar

Those who think the Australian dollar or the Canadian dollar are some sort of safe haven will find out otherwise.

•China is in a credit bubble and when it pops it will take commodities and commodity producing currencies down with it.
•Australia's property bubble has already popped, and a commercial real estate implosion will follow with a lag, just as happened in the US. Canada will join the implosion party as well.
•The Canadian and Australian central banks will respond with liquidity measures or interest rate cuts, sending the currencies lower
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com...dollar-not.html
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if dollar strengthen... us frenz will able to obtain the same quality with cheaper price products during recession, and at the same time will encourage the us frenz to reinvest in their home places... these will indirectly ppl will less invest in bolehsia.... thas is y sg is good in manage their currensi.... as export oriented county bolehsia... will be secure in the curressi game? react in busa already got the answer.... this is also impact the ppl income/biz income and directly prop prices for mid to long term... if not take it seriously.

my 2 cents.

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post Sep 25 2011, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(lch78 @ Sep 25 2011, 05:36 PM)
Listen to what CLSA has to say about China property market.
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cn rich ppl is very rich... poor ppl is very poor.... once usa cut spending next year... really dun know what will happen to cn factory... middle class will be sad.gif ...

i think their bubble is still under control and not as serious as in my.. hehe.. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 26 2011, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(22222222 @ Sep 26 2011, 01:37 PM)
"I believe the strategy that European policymakers are trying to implement is to buy a little of extra time, a few more weeks or maybe a couple of months, in order to get the enhanced EFSF in place so that the European rescue fund with added operational capability ... could recapitalize the European financial institutions," he said.


Buy times for prefect storm in 2012...??

Greek Default could be the trigger point of global recession in human history....

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post Sep 27 2011, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 27 2011, 10:58 AM)
i believe many are just waiting for their "dream price"... can ask/dream but not many actually can sell...
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hv to agreed prop in my is hardly return back to year before 2008... not mean prop will not have correction... see how much company pay to fresh grad as majority next year then u will know the future buying power... now is around rm2500/month (b4 epf, tax,socso...) average.


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post Sep 27 2011, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 27 2011, 11:19 AM)
many companies who can afford the rm2500 fresh graduates are outsourcing the work to other smaller companies... so job opportunities for new grads are shrinking... and be prepared for lower pay...
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i think the pay measurement from glc or related company to gresh grad is more reasonable as benchmark... it is not points to take the ppl who hv work many years or work in sg/au/uk/us to compare... tongue.gif

Freez job intake/job lose then is another story lor.. hehe..
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post Sep 28 2011, 08:52 AM

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bank is very sensitive... if u got pending h/p n tel bill, water n electric bill, cc bill... for more then 2 months unpaid... all kind of loan will be rejected!!!
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post Sep 28 2011, 09:22 PM

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沈聯濤:金融體系比GDP高4倍‧全球或引發大風暴

http://biz.sinchew-i.com/node/52170

沈聯濤演講要點

●先進市場的經濟成長因去槓桿化因素趨向緩慢。新興市場將難以從中脫鉤發展。

●短期歐元區將最為動盪,預計對歐元帶來壓力。

●並不預期美元將呈單一走向。

●亞洲貨幣兌美元/歐元將持續升值。

●企業仍較其他領域更為健康。投資價值。現金依舊為王。

●千萬別投資任何你不熟悉的東西。

●投資好研究、好基礎和好現金流。

●時間是關鍵--危機往往提供投資機會。唯有能帶來正面現金回酬的產業,才能算是好的產業。

千萬別以為黃金將永遠漲勢不墜。

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post Sep 29 2011, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(Maverick2011 @ Sep 28 2011, 10:32 PM)
His points are like "talk already like never talk before". Worthless!
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for his level and xp, he only can talk these... basically he just summarize the current situation and not to be too confident to ur own passed success n achivement...
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Sep 29 2011, 05:11 PM)
By JAGDEV SINGH SIDHU
Of the RM619.9bil in household loans, about 45% of that is to finance home purchases and 19% is for the purchase of automobiles. Loans for consumption purchases accounted for 20% of household debt.

Statistics also show that 46.5% of individuals who borrow money earn more than RM5,000 a month.

Non-performing loans of households remain low at 2% at the end of July.
RM5000 a month? the statics not complete.. it should let us know how many RM5000 earners is borrow this 46.5%....

2% is consider under control only... if jump to 10%... u think bank will go baukrpt???
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QUOTE(RTC @ Sep 30 2011, 11:33 AM)
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http://www.freemen.com.my/propertybubble.htm
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if last time everyone listen to buy.. price goes up ---> BOOM...

AND

this time everyone listen to sell.. price goes down ----> CRASH... infact CRASH even further...
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QUOTE(atlantis2007 @ Sep 30 2011, 12:07 PM)
its meletup-ing.. Im seeing puchong hse being sold @ 250k mark.. last year were 300k++
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post Sep 30 2011, 02:14 PM

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aiya.. 300++k jump back to 250++k is normal lah...

cheras i saw 2 months ago owner asking for 680k and now owner wanted to sell at RM580k.... are u going to buy??? Hehe... market value only 550k...
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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Sep 30 2011, 03:28 PM)
Mana u see taiko? Iprop? Newspaper? Mudah? Dun provide link how to see and buy?
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