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post Aug 29 2005, 11:27 PM, updated 20y ago

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there's one thing i noticed about this musicians subforum, there isnt a topic on music theory!! or maybe i just didnt notice.or maybe there isnt any coz of our big ego. i do admit sometimes i feel very shy or scared to ask music theory questions.

so here's a thread just to ask questions on music theory, for all musicians!! biggrin.gif

i wana ask if anyone has the scanned copy of a lesson by satriani on visualizing different modes on the entire guitar neck. saw it somewhere before but forgot where. isnt the usual box shaped things. he uses a different approach. feel like reading it again.
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post Aug 30 2005, 10:01 PM

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Poor fella... nobody replying to you lol... anyway I do not have that copy of lesson, sorry, can't help you.

Since this's a theory topic, I'ill ask something then. What's the chord progression for a standard 12-bar blues in... say, E???

Dumb question I know, but I'm stuck at the turnaround. T_T
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post Aug 30 2005, 10:55 PM

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Honestly, I can't even read notes.
Well, at least I can't remember how to read notes.
I was learning piano when I was like, 10 years old. Stopped when I was doing my UPSR (which was when I was 12 btw).
I'm beginning to pick up notes again with my guitar lessons, but can't get to grips with it.
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Aug 30 2005, 10:55 PM)
Honestly, I can't even read notes.
Well, at least I can't remember how to read notes.
I was learning piano when I was like, 10 years old. Stopped when I was doing my UPSR (which was when I was 12 btw).
I'm beginning to pick up notes again with my guitar lessons, but can't get to grips with it.
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Same story lol... only thing different is that I started when I was like, 6? Heh...

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post Aug 31 2005, 03:49 AM

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i just dont get melody..and cord progression...and alot of advance stuff...readin notes can just count lol..
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post Aug 31 2005, 02:51 PM

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Leap Freak, in 12 bars... you can blues something like this:
E / E / E / E
A / A / E / E
B / B / A / A
E / E / B / B
(E = E major or E7)
(A = A major or A7)
(B = B minor, Bm7, B major or B7)
(or you can even put all of them in minor...)

Learning various chord progressions allow a quick and easy background for improvisation...

Blacktrix, it's not about learning how to read the notes smile.gif learning the scales, the modes and the chords structure... i'm sure you know a lot already in theory, you just don't want to admit it to preserve this "BLS" attitude.

EBP, aiyo... it reminds me something. Isn't it the PITCH AXIS THEORY ? In this case you should be able to find it on a guitar mag website, with a lot of archives of all "pros" lessons. Otherwise, I'm sure Slayer has something about it somewhere.
by satch himself : http://www.foreverjoe.com (in guitar lessons... then you have choices between different lessons, incl. pitch axis)
or mirror site : http://satriani27.tripod.com/id14.html

other writers:
http://satriani.worldsgreatestguitarist.co...ies/pitch-axis/
http://www.guitar9.com/columnist286.html

and to see how it is outside:
http://www.guitar.com/discuss/readmsg.asp?...=5273733&page=1
(people are actually using their brains to play music !?!)

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QUOTE(Pix @ Aug 31 2005, 02:51 PM)
Leap Freak, in 12 bars... you can blues something like this:
Learning various chord progressions allow a quick and easy background for improvisation...
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Gee thanks a lot, time to see what I can improvise with that progression. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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ill post up a blues e-book later...
talk bout 12 bars blues..... common scales for blues and some very nice licks
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post Aug 31 2005, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pix @ Aug 31 2005, 02:51 PM)
and to see how it is outside:
http://www.guitar.com/discuss/readmsg.asp?...=5273733&page=1
(people are actually using their brains to play music !?!)
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I didn't know you *could analyse all those in soooo detailed. LOL!
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in jazz, because jazz music often doesn't use diatonic chords you have to think more in terms of finding a scale which doesn't have to alter too much between each chord
if you look at this minor ii V i, you can see how the min7b5 and the minor chord are both using the same scale, just starting on a different degree of the scale whereas the 7#9 chord isn't diatonic to the others so uses a superlocrian scale over the chord to remain fairly similar to the initial scale, just with 2 aditional different notes

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BLS Attitude?
You should hear Zakk go on and on and on about Guitar Theory.
I mean, he REALLY knows his S**T.

And I only know whatever is thought to me by my guitar instructor now. I only know basic scales and stuff like that..... but nothing too amazing.
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post Aug 31 2005, 08:22 PM

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LOL of topic

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is this G# or Am(maj7) or Bush phailed at G major chord??? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Aug 31 2005, 04:06 PM)
I didn't know you *could analyse all those in soooo detailed. LOL!
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I think DIATONIC, means "is using only notes from the same scale"
basically, he's saying thazt in jazz, the chords do not all belong to one specific scale, so the musician has to find the "best" scale, to fit most of the chords notes... which is not really true in my opinion, but whatever ==> the solo is supposed to FIT the chords, and sound good. To do so, you may need to use different scales over diferrent chords. Not only ONE scale.


Blacktrix > at this level of technic, he definitely knows more about theory that one can imagine... but the BLS attitude is different : try learning scales when surrounded by gals, beers, leathers, funny cigarettes and long-bearded men ? too hard for most of us tongue.gif
anyway, i'm just kidding... how are your lessons going ? you jsut started them, haven't you ?
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ruffstuff ... hehehe ... I suppose he's used to shorter d***s... err .... necks, sorry... mmmmm....
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Good Mode mixes

Blues + mixolydian
natural minor + spanish phrygian

What else do you guys like mixing?
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essential blues guitar lesson (no soundclips)
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post Sep 1 2005, 02:13 PM

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ssslayerrr , here is a good mix : vodka + gin + rhum + apple juice...

otherwise, I usually simply add extra-notes to a scale, without thinking that those extra notes actually belong to another scale. Am I too lazy ? smile.gif
Hey, for instance, the E myxolydian + E blues = (in the form of a compact tab)
-0------3--4---------
-0---2--3------------
-0-1-2-3------------
-0---2----------------
-0---2----------------
-0------3--4---------

isn't it ? that sounds super good... especially the two high strings !! thumbup.gif
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ive just got more confused then ever after reading this site
http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory4.htm

[quote]
2
1 two beats in the bar
O the beat is a semibreve (whole note)
||O|| a bar contains 2 times 1/1 (semibreve=a whole note) [quote/]

doesnt 2 beats = crotchet...and is only 1 minim..which is not even a semibreve?

and 1 more

4
4 common time, also marked with a large C <- or is it 2/2

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i dun really got what you mean...
2 beats = 4 crotchets

\about the "C", sorry but I dunno that writing...
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post Feb 4 2006, 02:19 PM

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semibreve = 4 beats
minims = 2 beats
crochets = 1 beat
quavers = 1/2 beats
semiquavers = 1/4 beats
demiquavers = 1/8 beats

so...the site says tat 2/1 time signature = a semibreve which is 2 beats...how can it be 2 beats when its semibreve..the example he game in the bottom is not supporting his point...im not sure if its a mistake or not but its really confusing me

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