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post Feb 5 2006, 04:55 AM

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tytons, ok i understand your point now. but i can't answer it... i'm going ot the beach, later ;aybe i'll try to read the site further... interesting anyway. Quite a brain bugger !
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post Feb 5 2006, 06:29 AM

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well i think he made a mistake....will search for someting to post later...to clear the prob
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post Feb 5 2006, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(tytons @ Feb 5 2006, 06:29 AM)
well i think he made a mistake....will search for someting to post later...to clear the prob
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Hmmm .... go and check if you copy and paste the wrong thing smile.gif

coz it doesn't make any sense, how can it be 2 beats when its semibreve (4 beats) huh.gif unsure.gif

Maybe the site is wrong gua .... ? ? unsure.gif

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post Feb 5 2006, 08:20 AM

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well i didnt copy n paste wrong..u can go see the site..i did post the link as well...tats the thing i was pening about..how on earth a semibreve is 2 beats...n the time signature is 2/1 dont make sense..but below he shows a 4/4 er...small composition n a semibreve is used...weird...i duno if its a typo or not...tat dude is a Dr. somemore..hehe.
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post Feb 5 2006, 12:24 PM

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well, you can always send him an email, i'm sure he would appreciate it !
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post Jun 6 2006, 10:40 PM

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I always start with pentatonic (minor or major) then go off into dunno wat weird altered lydian modes and doric modes and some altered dominant major scales.

The problem with not knowing what you're playing is that you easily get lost. Which i do. But if i get lost, then i just fall back on pentatonic again.

I guess this works for people who dont know crap about scales but still wanna solo. Like me tak tau malu..hahaha icon_idea.gif Very limited though, cuz most of the time i'll be playing pentatonic and a few standard riffs and progressions.
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post Jun 6 2006, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Aug 29 2005, 11:27 PM)
there's one thing i noticed about this musicians subforum, there isnt a topic on music theory!! or maybe i just didnt notice.or maybe there isnt any coz of our big ego. i do admit sometimes i feel very shy or scared to ask music theory questions.

so here's a thread just to ask questions on music theory, for all musicians!!  biggrin.gif

i wana ask if anyone has the scanned copy of a lesson by satriani on visualizing different modes on the entire guitar neck. saw it somewhere before but forgot where. isnt the usual box shaped things. he uses a different approach. feel like reading it again.
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If the book ure looking is Joe Satriani - Guitar secrets, then heres the link for it http://rapidshare.de/files/12357787/Joe_Sa...ecrets.pdf.html


i got a little problem about harmonization here.. as for major scale the chords are I ii iii IV V vi vii(dim) ... can someone tell me chords for other scale(major & minor pentatonic, etc) ?


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post Jun 7 2006, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(tytons @ Feb 4 2006, 02:19 PM)
semibreve = 4 beats
minims = 2 beats
crochets = 1 beat
quavers = 1/2 beats
semiquavers = 1/4 beats
demiquavers = 1/8 beats

so...the site says tat 2/1 time signature = a semibreve which is 2 beats...how can it be 2 beats when its semibreve..the example he game in the bottom is not supporting his point...im not sure if its a mistake or not but its really confusing me
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Dont use british name, instead use american name... it make so much easier for u to see the time signiture...

crotchets - quarter note
quavers - eighth note
semiquavers - sixteenth note
demiquavers - thirtysecond note

and so on...

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post Jun 8 2006, 02:09 PM

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can someone explaing to me what jaco pastorius (in one of his 1000 videos) is talking about when he says practicing in 3rds, 5ths, 6ths, etc....does it mean the intervals of scales?
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post Jun 8 2006, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Bassix @ Jun 8 2006, 02:09 PM)
can someone explaing to me what jaco pastorius (in one of his 1000 videos) is talking about when he says practicing in 3rds, 5ths, 6ths, etc....does it mean the intervals of scales?
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its interval ( i think)
if he say go up in minor 3rd , u go up 3 frets
major 3rd , 4 frets
perfect fourth , 5 frets
perfect fifth, 7 frets

and so on

i might be wrong (and i think i am, haha)
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post Jun 9 2006, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(CommanderKeen @ Jun 8 2006, 07:31 AM)
its interval ( i think)
if he say go up in minor 3rd , u go up 3 frets
major 3rd , 4 frets
perfect fourth , 5 frets
perfect fifth, 7 frets

and so on

i might be wrong (and i think i am, haha)
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well at least it's an explanation.
No harm in practicing it too...hahah practice is always good.


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post Jun 9 2006, 12:45 PM

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it's the good explanation, you're spot-on Keen !
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post Jun 9 2006, 05:23 PM

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can someone tell me the chords for other key & modes too (refer my previous post)... i know how to figure it out but its too leceh im not really good at it...
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post Jun 9 2006, 09:54 PM

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playing all 7 scales on a key up and down the frets what is the different when they all have same notes? anyone can explain?
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post Jun 9 2006, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(magriang @ Jun 9 2006, 02:54 PM)
playing all 7 scales on a key up and down the frets what is the different when they all have same notes? anyone can explain?
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it's not playing 7 scales...its playing 7 modes of the same scale (eg C-dorian C-lydian C-mixolydian...etc). And if i am correct, every mode is a different major scale, just beginning with the C-note....... If that makes sense....
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post Jun 10 2006, 06:53 AM

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QUOTE(magriang @ Jun 9 2006, 09:54 PM)
playing all 7 scales on a key up and down the frets what is the different when they all have same notes? anyone can explain?
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ur question is not very clear, but if ur talkin about modes, then there are 7 modes in every diatonic scale(8 note sale)

This is C major scale(hopefully u know this one)
C..D..E..F..G..A..B..C

if u play the C major scale starting with a diffrent note ull get a diffrent mode

C..D..E..F..G..A..B..C this is C ionian
....D..E..F..G..A..B..C..D this is D dorian
........E..F..G..A..B..C..D..E this is E phrygian
............F..G..A..B..C..D..E..F this is F lydian
................G..A..B..C..D..E..F..G this is G mixolydian
....................A..B..C..D..E..F..G..A this is A aeolian
........................B..C..D..E..F..G..A..B this is B this is B locrian
............................C..D..E..F..G..A..B..C this is C ionian again

U dont have to play all this modes in order... u just have to know tthe unqiue sound of each scale and put emphasis on those notes... every mode has diffrent formula to build it .

hopefully this is clear enough.. if not just askk or u can also download this, "Frank Gambale - Modes, No More Mysteries"
from http://pianosheets.org/details.php?id=4299 This is where i learn my modes happy.gif

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post Jun 10 2006, 11:16 AM

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Wow commanderkeen your theory knowledge is impressive!!! I don't think you really need lessons at this pointlar, since you're pretty disciplined and that probably helped much more than lessons. thumbup.gif

Anyway I'm not sure about bass, but over here in the guitar world, the dorian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian and of course, ionian are the more popular modes used. I'm still struggling with mixolydian mode as I just can't visualize the damn mode on the fretboard, maybe I should start memorizing the notes? smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2006, 12:59 PM

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I dont even know how to apply any of those to bass. But since i rarely solo on bass it's ok.
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post Jun 10 2006, 01:29 PM

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Solo or not I think learning some modes can help spice up your bass riffs heh. Especially when your guitarist is playing some jazzy 7th chords etc...

If your guitarist sticks to major/minor and powerchords I guess it's ok to stick to root/5th but of course, variety is the spice of life. smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2006, 01:34 PM

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if your guitarist starts playing some jazzy chords, just whack him with your bass.

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