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led_zep_freak
post Aug 30 2005, 10:01 PM

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Poor fella... nobody replying to you lol... anyway I do not have that copy of lesson, sorry, can't help you.

Since this's a theory topic, I'ill ask something then. What's the chord progression for a standard 12-bar blues in... say, E???

Dumb question I know, but I'm stuck at the turnaround. T_T
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post Aug 30 2005, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Aug 30 2005, 10:55 PM)
Honestly, I can't even read notes.
Well, at least I can't remember how to read notes.
I was learning piano when I was like, 10 years old. Stopped when I was doing my UPSR (which was when I was 12 btw).
I'm beginning to pick up notes again with my guitar lessons, but can't get to grips with it.
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Same story lol... only thing different is that I started when I was like, 6? Heh...

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post Aug 31 2005, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pix @ Aug 31 2005, 02:51 PM)
Leap Freak, in 12 bars... you can blues something like this:
Learning various chord progressions allow a quick and easy background for improvisation...
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Gee thanks a lot, time to see what I can improvise with that progression. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Aug 31 2005, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pix @ Aug 31 2005, 02:51 PM)
and to see how it is outside:
http://www.guitar.com/discuss/readmsg.asp?...=5273733&page=1
(people are actually using their brains to play music !?!)
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I didn't know you *could analyse all those in soooo detailed. LOL!
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in jazz, because jazz music often doesn't use diatonic chords you have to think more in terms of finding a scale which doesn't have to alter too much between each chord
if you look at this minor ii V i, you can see how the min7b5 and the minor chord are both using the same scale, just starting on a different degree of the scale whereas the 7#9 chord isn't diatonic to the others so uses a superlocrian scale over the chord to remain fairly similar to the initial scale, just with 2 aditional different notes

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led_zep_freak
post Jun 10 2006, 11:16 AM

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Wow commanderkeen your theory knowledge is impressive!!! I don't think you really need lessons at this pointlar, since you're pretty disciplined and that probably helped much more than lessons. thumbup.gif

Anyway I'm not sure about bass, but over here in the guitar world, the dorian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian and of course, ionian are the more popular modes used. I'm still struggling with mixolydian mode as I just can't visualize the damn mode on the fretboard, maybe I should start memorizing the notes? smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2006, 01:29 PM

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Solo or not I think learning some modes can help spice up your bass riffs heh. Especially when your guitarist is playing some jazzy 7th chords etc...

If your guitarist sticks to major/minor and powerchords I guess it's ok to stick to root/5th but of course, variety is the spice of life. smile.gif
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post Jun 11 2006, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jun 10 2006, 11:42 PM)
learn to play scales about anywhere on the neck starting from diff postitions and strings. just spend a week or so doin that everyday and before u know it u're free to go. the next step would be being creative after u already know how to play scales around the neck
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Yeah, I have done some but it's hard to visualize you know? Let's say you're improvising, you wanna switch from... say... A Mixolydian to C Mixolydian as the chord changes... it's gonna take more than a year's practice I reckon! smile.gif
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post Jun 11 2006, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jun 11 2006, 01:40 PM)
cmon, not years lah. when someone first told u to know/memorize all the notes across the entire guitar neck u mustve thought it was crazy too but i bet now if i tell you to play C when ur hand is in the 12th fret position i am sure u wouldnt have to think much to find out where is it. am i right???

same thing here. one u know the shape of a certain scale/mode, all u have to do is change ur position so the root note of that scale/mode starts where u want it to be and start playing. of course, u need to know all the notes on the guitar neck. this isnt like piano or keyboard. on the guitar ur fingering for a certain scale will be the same, you just have to change positions and root notes. eg: a minor penatonic box shape fingering style. play it starting from the 5th fret  of the lowest string and u get a A minor pentatonic, start on the 3rd u get a G.
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Hmmm, that make sense... Even though your explanation was pretty blurry (World Cup fever tongue.gif ) but I got your point... I'ill give it a try next time I practise me scales...
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post Jun 21 2006, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(mwthemovie @ Jun 21 2006, 08:32 PM)
actually i would like to know how much theory helps in the overall mastery of guitar. Would playing songs via tabs suffice over years or at some point we'd have to stoop down and study theory in order to progress?
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It actually depends on what you are heading for in the end. Usually a musician's goal if to achieve pure expression, in the sense that you could play what you hear in your head without relying heavily on theory knowledge. Tabs are pretty much shortcuts to play a song, and it does help in training your ears.
But imo, knowing how to play without theory knowledge is like having an ability to speak a language but not being able to write it. Theory helps you understand what you're playing & with a strong foundation, the music you hear would make sense to you. You won't be just hearing a 'group' of notes, you would be able to make sense of the melody, chord progression etc.
Whether it's important or not to improve your playing, I don't know. But imo, never treat theory as a boring thing, think about the things that you would learn from it, the more you know, the more exciting music is to your ears. thumbup.gif

 

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