How to permanently migrate to U.S ?
Need advice please...?

I plan to migrate to U.S by end of this year or asap.
Last two years, I've tried to apply for Diversity Visa Lottery and sadly I'm not the lucky winner.
Besides Green Card lottery, what are other ways to be eligible to lives permanently in the US?
How much money I need to start a living there?
In which province in the U.S is recommended ?

Can someone help shade some light here on how to get into the right direction please?



About me
- I have no bad records nor blacklist records anywhere except that 5 years ago, I ride a transit without a valid ticket and the conductor wrote down my IC
- I have no loans with banks
- I don't owe money to loanshark
- I don't own any house
- I don't own any car
- I'm single
- I have about RM20,000 in my saving now
- I have never been to anywhere in the US
- I have no relative in the U.S
- I am healthy, no heartattack or hypertension etc
- I am unemployed since 5 years ago



Why U.S ?

1) US is far away from where I lives now.
2) US always open up more opportunities for immigration.
3) No one I knows lives there.



Personal reasons to migrate

This is just a personal reasons, well since this is completely anonmymous, I am willing to tell the truth, of course I won't delcare this personal reason to the US consular office.
I have too much unpleasant experiences in my life that I want to get rid off myself from here and plan to start a new life in other country. No one will understand how much pain I have suffered throughout in my life. I have always think of taking my own life away to solve this problem but I finally figure it out I could just migrate to other places far far away. Well, this is not a despression symptom, I am absolutely normal, but I just can't make it through it everyday.
I can't discuss more about this since this is an off-topic issue to discuss here, consider your advice may help to save my life and help give me a chance to start a new life there.

This post has been edited by guestaccount: Jun 19 2011, 03:19 PM

I think you blew your chance with the bus ride.....too bad. otherwise wouldve been ok

really?

RM20k is too little to migrate.. specially to the U.S, think you should save more, then plan.

Then tell me how much I need?

Have you been to the states?

Anyway try Canada or Australia easier to get PR there.

No never been to states, but I always open for suggestion as long as it is easier to get the PR, i just want to move far away, Canada easier to get PR?

Anyway you can't just get a green card like that. You need to have employer sponsored you for H visas.

Or marry an American. Seriously dude, you need to do more research on the states before deciding to migrate there. You never been there and want to just migrate? Come on, be realistic.

And yes USD 6k is too little to migrate anywhere. If you are qualified degree holder or masters then have employer sponsor you, you can migrate anywhere. Canada and Australia is based on points system. If you have the correct amount of point then can migrate lor. eg. Age, degree, money, english and so on.

But if you are SPM dropout with no degree, no work experience no nothing then forget it. Unless you work hard to get a qualified paper, real work experience, good english proficiency then go ahead. If not, just wanna complaint and bail out from the country? You think what? Just because you had enough of here then wanna go elsewhere without proper qualification and stuff? Be realistic man.

Thanks for your advice.
I have some few questions from your reply. the H visas is part of the DV Lottery requirements?

I hv no worry about finance, I can make it to work.

How to get those points system you mention?

What about applying for courses there as a student visas?

This post has been edited by guestaccount: Jun 19 2011, 01:33 PM

Dude google search lar. You want something expect everyone to spoon feed you? zzzzz

As I said. you have the age requirement, proper degree, savings, english proficiency, relatives or employer to sponsor you then get enough point can migrate lor. You have been a unemployed bum for the last 5 years and you decide other country should be better? You should try Singapore 1st ok?

Then you go in as student after graduate if got employer wanna sponsor you then you can get H1B visa. If can't find a job then sorry you have to come home. Don't jump aeroplane. The last guy did that went to prison for 10 years and get deporter. Fark aeroplane jumpers!

No offence but the reason you give to migrate sounds like a jilted person. Be cool larr. The grass might seem greener at the other side, it is not as rosy as it seems. From the answer you give to the suggestions and comments give, I think you can hardly make it in US. Give it another thought.

+ 1

The grass and rosy part is so true. There are so many things not shown in the movies or within your knowledge. When I was there I have seen so many unfortunate & inopportune people jobless, high, drunk, delusional, retarded . It's not like everyone is living the american dream. There are people who struggles too.

If TS end up in America I think he is gonna be in Chinatown like those stereotype FOB chinese. no offence yo

TS: Like the others mention, why don't you try Singapore first, it's the nearest country to migrate to.

And if you are not qualified to get a PR in SG, what makes you think that you can get a PR in the US with only RM20k?

Even for Aus/NZ, I think for someone like my dad to want to migrate, they would want to see like AUD/NZD500k or so in savings, what more the US. Or i might be wrong.

Maybe you should go to AUS/NZ for that working holiday visa and see if you like the place there, then maybe if you are able to find a permanent job after that, why not?

Not sure if the AUS working holiday visa is still valid or not though.

This. Way too low savings to be accepted to countries like Australia, not to mention US.

Thanks for all the input.

The reason i chose US is because it is far away, I don't mind whether is Canada or NZ, etc.
Singapore? few of my relatives lives there and also makes me no difference to live in neighbours countries to start a new life.

RM20k is what I have now in my saving, financial should be no problem for me, I can make that works very soon.

Maybe most of you misunderstand of why i'm moving away, i move away because i'm trying to escape from my miserable life, prefer it to be as far as possible, not because of their grass is greener or somethings

Shit you don't even understand the phrase ' grass is greener' and wanna settle down in a western world? You speak like a typical Stereotype fresh of boat chinese in chinatown man. Good luck yo don't get deported.

Work harder, complaint lesser sure won't be miserable! just my $0.02.

I already feel bad enough for myself, and with most of your critics and comments, makes me feel even bad, can't you just be tolerate a little bit and motivate me a little so to at least give me some hopes or chance?

Why can't you work harder, smile more, complaint less, leave most of your ego and pride aside, be noble rather than bail out for own selfishness?

Anyway good luck! Clearly you need some there.

This post has been edited by Ethanps3: Jun 19 2011, 03:30 PM

Ok thank you for your advice.

Also forgot to mention, i never even plan to jump aeroplane at all, I want to migrate a legal way, else i will be playing hide and seek games with tough life there.

Unemployment of 5 years? Anyone would be granted a visa in other countries for either a) student; or b) employment. If you are not doing any studies, doubt they'll grant you any visa. Simply because of your unemployment record, no company would want to hire you in USA or even in Australia

Also, Australia easy to get PR? Nah, that ain't true. New point system is kicking in early next month. Some more Australia is following New Zealand's idea of "registration of interest".

When u convert RM20K to USD$, it's not alot, actually it very little. I think if u only got 20k, u can try the nearest Singapore.

Alot of countries would ask you how much u have (money) and if you're not carrying enough or dont have enough, they'd ask you why u wanna enter their country with so little, even if its just for a vacation, some countries expect a certain money amount for you to enter. -From what i heard.

I think your best choice is to jump aeroplane. Risky though.

If I were you, I wouldn't put much hope on migrating 'end of this year'. It's not easy to get a green card in US even if you work there for a few years on a proper working visa. They have been very strict since the 911 incident.

What are you working as here in Malaysia?

Try going to the states for holiday first before you decide that you are able to handle the lifestyle there. Not everyone will get used to a westerner's lifestyle. Many people come back to Malaysia when they find the grass on the other side isn't really that much greener.

I have a friend who went to US in his twenties and that was in the early 70s. He was a waiter, an odd job man, a cook and finally he made it as a middle class guy there. Gave up his citizenship and became a US citizen and his name changed with the 'Bin' in the centre to the 'Bin' at the front. Finally tyhings went sour and became penniless and that is when he thought of home. Called his mom here in Kedah and found out she was also not feeling well due to old age. He came back and was suprised at the development of his former country and decided not to go back to US.

Now I see a Malay man making his way to the border every 2 or 3 months to stamp his passport. I asked him if he has regretted giving up his Malaysian citizenship and you can guess his answer. Think carefully, think twice.

TS,

I think the bigger picture right here is NOT about HOW to permanently migrate to US, it is about YOU running away from your problems.

Let's just say you qualify to migrate to the US, you are actually not solving your root problem at all. What you are doing is just running away from your problems rather than solving your problems. There is a very big difference between solving and running away from it.

You are all for running away from it judging from the irrationality of your responses and the sudden urge to migrate away from the small confine of your problems. Even if you successfully migrate to the States, I reckon you will not be that much of a happy man as well. I've been flying in and out of US for the past 3 years; and living among the westerners, it's a different world right here and basically I think you need to be mentally prepared for what to come and think it through rather than just simply say.. "I WANT TO MIGRATE".

But if you really made up your mind, I wish you all the very best, think you will need it.

Perhaps counselling/therapy would do you some good. But as it is, the USA is not having a good time themselves with unemployment rate soaring every month and homeless ppl everyday - even with min. wage jobs they cannot afford the rental.

Instead of U.S., why not the philippines? English speaking country for the most part, so its not some mexico si no comprendo place. Probably better chance to get PR/work permit there given ur limited finances (sorry, but immi rules are harsh), and i believe noone will noe you there?

I think the first start is to try to get a job though, i.e. you see, a person pops up with no credit history and wants a loan .. if you dun have job history immi ppl will start to wonder why you wanna migrate. I believe if you can hack it in a diff environment, maybe a change of state (yes, the negeri) to the northern parts if you;re from KL/down south might clear your mind up + it gives a fresh start with zero to minimum immi issues.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Jun 21 2011, 04:02 AM

I agree with ceo684. Furthermore, the attitude of the US people are more aggressive and 'in your face', are you sure you can withstand the insults and supremacy attitude that you might encounter? If the comments here are already hurting you, some of the people there are more insensitive and blunt, and they really know how to attack other people self esteem. (This is based on my observation while backpacking and my expat friends here)

I could recommend some people who do healing works (not the magic hocus pocus stuff) but rather using some techniques (such as Ho'oponopono, Releasing, Law of Attraction). Coincidentally they are from the US, who decided to settle down here. Personally my mindset have changed a lot and I have grown into a stronger and more independent person after meeting them. It is amazing at how shifting your perspective can change your whole outlook of the world.

If i'm not mistaken the working holidays for NZ has been frozen (if not mistaken someone mentioned up there). You'll have to check again.

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Added on June 21, 2011, 2:02 pmOh btw, if you're still hellbent on migrating.. my friend works in Guangzhou as an English teacher. It's much cheaper there. I could put you in contact with her, too. But I'd rather you work from inside first, rather than running away.

This post has been edited by Chica: Jun 21 2011, 02:05 PM

+1

And remember "there no gold rain in others country"

Why not you think other country like Zimbabwe or Ghana or Timur Timor...its far far away right..!.

Me..spent almost 10 year oversea..working like shit,double standard ,racism..bla bla ...now I at beautiful islands..Perhentian Island...wow! wonderful life here!!!

Jump aeroplane then pray u don't get caught. After that go find a job and get exploited. Minimum pay and maximum workload IF yr LUCKY. Don't forget unemployment rate in US is >9%. Then after 10 years u find that u still have no money, weak, sick and dying to come back to M'sia... hahha

Yes, migrating is not a overnight decision. It takes a few years to mentally and physically prepare for it. Not everyone is suitable for migration.

Malaysia islands are very beautiful. How nice to be you to be able to work on island. Hehe

I bet you that TS won't even get a visa with his record, much less be able to get on a plane to the US. The US Embassy can be strict with visas and US Customs are even stricter with entry.

TS,

The only way that I can think of is, apply for further study in US, register, go to US then dissapear...but of course 20K is not even enuf to pay 1 sem course....this is because using excuse for education your visa will approve easier....

with 20k,

I dont think its enough..
U can only maybe survive around 1-2 weeks.

unless U can get work with in that time of period.

Somemore U reason is too personal. It noting wrong.
but U dont have any strong reason why they want to accept you.

example, they are looking for doctors that can contribute to country health.

So they will usually take anyone that will benefits their country.

dude. with that kind of experience i suggest to you grow up and work hard. you dont think after you migrate to US .. finally i can get rid all this thing and start new life. you cant simply like that. remember you will miss alot in malaysia and you gonna lose it once you choose to migrate.

work hard and saving..

20k .. you cant make it there.

you have attitude problem. you cant solve your problems here, how can you can live a good life at a place you never experience before?

you're an asian. they're whites. there are differences and gaps between you and them. do you think you can mingle well there in short time?

This is interesting. Do they employ Malaysians to teach English too? I would like to take a gap year to China ...
How did your friend do it?

Ouch. Where's the TS now? Best advice, get your problems sorted not by running away, get a job (your unemployment period is way too long) and save up if you really want to migrate.

Sorry it was YangShuo. She simply started 1-2 months doing volunteering to teach English - food and board was provided for. (IMHO - her English is passable but still need help in Grammar) .. but she is good with the students.. they offered her 6 months contract for about RM2k (pretty high when compared to very low cost of living there, she said she only spent about RM200 for food and clubbing, and RM400 for house rent) and they renewed the contract again.. so currently she's already 1.5 years there and her contract finishes next year.

Yes she's MAlaysian

This post has been edited by Chica: Nov 12 2011, 10:40 PM