Introduction of Proton Saga / Iswara

The Proton Saga is the first car produced by Malaysian auto manufacturer Proton, based on the 1983 Mitsubishi Lancer Fiore. It first debuted in September 1985. The first Proton Saga that rolled off the production line was presented to the Malaysian National Museum as a symbol of the beginning of the Malaysian automotive industry.

Since then, the Proton Saga and its variants contributed to most of Proton's sales and revenues. The Saga variants are also popular among Malaysian taxi drivers and operators who need cheap vehicles with good fuel economy. The Saga is currently the longest surviving brand in a line of cars offered by Proton.

Saga / Iswara Owners List

1. kahheng (29/09)
2. chowdm
3. singchaii (16/09)
4. apache_utara
5. the_catacombs (15/09)
6. feralee
7. blackpc
8. domo_kun
9. bukanmain
10. ~Battousai~
11. ceo684
12. edtan5
13. Tainted
14. Xefron
15. RoxyMunky
16. keith121284
17. mengfui
18. hamiru
19. KeV
20. batista_beast (retired member. Now a BMW enthusiast)
21. kudepadi
22. eXpert
23. dcarbon AKA (yongfei)
24. bullet
25. lov3too4ll
26. daktzuk
27. elaineliew88
28. UnCleHenG
29. kevinlim001
30. airpool2407
31. jabelix
32. zhixin
33. CerealKiller
34. sonic_darkknight
35. leinnz
36. nightzstar
37. bjay1482
38. HughieRmX
39. popopi
40. xacrifizer
41. sonicscourge
42. kenzo
43. bryanhkc84
44. icyd
45. mickeywjy
46. andychan (31/8)
47. ronaldet
48. Gilbert5107(13/9)
49. stanum
50. jenniferyoke(19/10)
51. -pWs-
52. tysern
53. joekang86
54. dopeisgood
55. neosaint99
56. wkho555 get car on 11/10/07
57. flyingteeku
58. darude87
59. quick_shaq
60. stupidbump
61. carcraze66
62. how to save a life
63. kakashixws
64. XG.
65. chicaman
66. yewwing
67. neshh
68. virginslayer
69. ThanatosSwiftfire
70. kabyss87
71. firdz
72. ahseng84
73. englandcaptain
74. Anthony87
75. PureGeek
76. allenyip
77. PinkyWhite wub.gif
78. IcEMoCHa
79. felix5152001
80. shiinkuro31
81. lwc1989
82. Calvin
83. mE_duNNo
84. Halia_Merah
85. godspeeds
86. long_con
87. Nskyline
88. heavencloud
89. lkylyk
90. evoluzzion
91. Shawnzz
92. alexwsk
93. Maksimum
94. samosa
95. faidzal1982
96. Hikaru Kenshin
97. lennon_87
98. reuben_1991
99. aichiban
100. ibnuasad
101. juniorkirk
102. aidil_fahmi
103. rozz_1291 (current TS)
104. JJTam
105. ravemaster222003
106. eggtart
107. yOuNg$tEr
108. zyde
109. x_suncai
110. HoobastanK(2)
111. ronzai89
112. lengchai86
113. nap2617 aka Rudy
114. ~alternate fearless~ A.K.A HighRevSAGA/GMS
115. Arcsaber
116. UranusFoo
117. riduanteo
118. id86
119. Black Panther
120. napoli26
121. dakwan5555
122. mls_ gamer
123. johannemiir
124. Zack Styler
125. joshgm_119
126. shawns
127. TWLOH
128. Irenicus_extr
129. kellefe
130. touge_ke70
131. hamster9
132. cyclone61
133. 91jude
134. macho_siot
135. beastiex
136. Yashiro
137. Reizz
138. bobfuzie
139. Strawberry<3
140. evolution120
141. chris3k6
142. mchlkeys
143. taitianhin
144. Shafique
145. newaythem3
146. zax1116
147. Notoriez
148. jezztanjl
149. mizi28
150. layeong
151. Cyril
152. Alex_tan168
153. jackchong890
154. StarburstMz
155. Ah Hei
156. Chan320
157. Babyiswara
158. sinister_sid
159. stasis21
160. GTL
161. nookie7
162. wct
163. unxeen888
164. omgkenny
165. n3w
166. fleekreturn
167. Peekab0o
168. heavenly91

Do PM me if ur name is not listed!

This post has been edited by rozz_1291: Jul 19 2011, 09:07 AM

Tyre & Rim Info
1) PCD
-> stands for pitch circle diameter, numbers of bolts on the wheel
-> got a few PCD types: 100 (eg: wira, honda), 114.3 (eg: saga iswara, satria neo), 110 (kancil), etc.


2) Offset
-> distance from the center of the rim to the attaching disk part
-> normally can be adjusted using spacer


3) Spacer
-> a round piece of metal that has holes on it, the function is to avoid/adjust the wheel from rubbing the arch/fender
-> got few sizes/thickness
-> if u r using 8 holes rim sure need to add spacer on the front

4) 14" or 15"
-> i prefer 15" bcoz 14" less choices for performance tires tongue.gif

5) Best PCD and offset
-> 114.3 and 38-40 (need check with sifoo..)


Credit goes to: Killer
LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum Rules n Regulations
Following rules are being implemented to prevent any unhappiness arise during discussion.

Rule 1:
This is not a trading thread. Any trading activities must be done in discreet. Use PM la!

Rule 2:
This is not a place for u to show off. Respect all saga/iswara driver if u doesn't own a saga/iswara but u wish to join our thread please respect all others member. Do not make statement like "This car doesn't deserve any modification". If u don't like us don't join our discussion. We also not welcome u to make any statement to show off here.

Rule 3:
All other LYN rules applied in this Forum too.

These rules and regulations has to be followed by existing and new members. Any unsatisfaction and comment pls PM me and allow me to discuss with all senior members before the rule is being change or new rule being implement.

Extra information on warranty issues:

Warranty FAQs
1. What makes the warranty contract null and void?
For details, please refer to your PROTON Service Booklet under Section 4 of Warranty and Limitation of Liability. However, PROTON reserves the right of final decision on all warranty claims.

2. What is covered by the warranty?

Subject to terms and conditions, PERUSAHAAN OTOMOBIL NASIONAL BERHAD (referred as PROTON) warrants that any items of the "Basic Warranty and Specific Warranty" of the new vehicle manufactured by and for PROTON shall be free from any defects in materials and workmanship of these warranty covered by new vehicle limited warranty will be repaired or replaced free of charge by any PROTON's authorised distributors or dealers.

Basic Warranty items

The basic warranty items that are any items of the new PROTON vehicle (except the Specific items and the Special transacted items*) are warranted to 24 months or 50,000 kms, whichever comes first.

Specific Warranty items

The specific warranty items listed below are warranted to 12 months or 20,000 kms, whichever comes first.

*
Battery (for Diesel - 6 months)
*
Exhaust
*
Injection nozzle for diesel powered vehicle
*
Glow plug for diesel powered vehicle

Special Transacted items*

The concerned manufacturer for Clarion radio cassette and speakers warrant the special transacted items.

3. What are the other types of warranty offered by EON?
Parts Warranty is given to all parts purchased at EON service network for 6 months or 10,000 kms, whichever comes first.

Rust Proofing Warranty is given to all PROTON vehicles, which are treated with anti-rust spray for 6 years from registration date.
4. Can I use my own lubricant/engine oil at EON Service Centre?
Yes. EON will not be responsible for any problem arising from the usage of other brands other than our recommended lubricant/engine oil.

5. Is it important to use genuine parts?

Yes, it is important that you use PROTON genuine parts and accessories.

This will ensure that the original vehicle specifications are maintained and that the replacement parts meet the same high standards as the vehicle original equipments. This will also ensure the vehicle compliance to the government regulations relating to vehicle safety and environmental controls. The use of parts that do not conform to the correct specification may cause damage to the vehicle and could also invalidate the terms of the warranty.

credit goes to Kevin

USUAL PERFORMANCE UPGRADE FOR SAGA/ISWARA

Intake
1. High Flow Open Pod (from rm50 onwards) or Drop In Air Filters (only K&N available, rm215)
2. Due to the bad placing of the stock air intake resulting in hot air being sucked, it is recommended to add a Cold Air Intake. Various types of hose available for this DIY upgrade. Position the intake in front of the radiator, and you will definitely gain valuable power and better the fuel consumption!

Exhaust
4-2-1 Tuned Length Extractor (from rm400 onwards) for high exhaust flow with minimal restriction & power increase. Use cap ayam brand and you will end up with power loss instead.

Ignition
1. Performance spark plug cable (from rm50 onwards). Recommended brands are the like of RAM and Pro Rallye. They say thick cables produce bigger spark which results in better combustion=more power=better fuel consumption. Some reported radio interference. However most enthusiast remain skeptic and stuck with the stock plug cable. So you decide.
2. Side gapped spark plug. This is a cheap performance upgrade. Your standard spark plug's electrode is shaved away to provide a bigger 'open' spark. It is also recommended to 'index' the spark plug so that when it's plugged in, the spark area will directly face the combustion chamber. Downside is, the plug will not last as long. Again, most enthusiast remain skeptic. http://performanceunlimited.com/documents/...idegapping.html

Engine
1. Port & Polish Engine Head (from rm400~rm1500). Smoothen the rough internals for better air/exhaust flow & power increase.
2. High Performance Camshafts (from rm600~rm1500). Modified camshafts profile can ensure more air-fuel mixture to reach the cylinder at the correct timing resulting in horsepower & torque increase.
3. Lightened Crank Pulley (from rm200~rm650). Release loss horsepower due to heavy stock crank pulley. Better acceleration and fuel consumption. Revs drop faster though. Enthusiasts are still arguing about rubber dampened or non-dampened crank pulley. Again, you decide.

Handling
1. Suspension (from rm500~RM2000). Depending on your budget and liking, you can opt for sports short stroke absorber coupled with sports spring or go for semi-adjustable absorbers. Be aware that this upgrade will cause uncomfortable ride. Brands like APM Performax cost about rm500 while adjustables from GAB or Improve will set you back about rm1500.
2. Chassis Stiffening Bars (from rm150 onwards). Front stabiliser bar, fender bars, lower arm bar, rear strut bar, etc will help the car reduce its flex during heavy corners and help the suspension keep the tires planted to the tarmac. The more bar installed, the more solid the ride. Not to mention they will add to the weight as well.

Brakes
1. Double Layer Brake Servo (from rm100 onwards) - This half cut item is popular among enthusiasts. A great help to improve stopping power. However idling will be a bit rough. Sourced from VR4, Pajero or Honda SM4.
2. High-Temp Brake Pads (from rm120 onwards) - Higher temperature handling will avoid the risk of fading brakes during aggressive or mountain driving. At the moment, Rapid Stop pads is the way to go.

Featured Car in SIE

Monster ride in this thread; the_catacombs' ride (aka SkYwAlKeR)


Uranus Foo


rozz_1291


Yewwing

Member's Ride(hidden monster non monster)

Kevin's LMST



shiinkuro31's ride

eXpert

Gilbert5107

yewwing

Shawnzz

Zhixin

rozz_1291's ex ride

godspeeds

sjz

ronaldet

Shafique

juniorkirk

Chan320

GMS fearless

Notoriez

dakwan

stasis21


n3w


fleekreturn


Peekab0o


sinkalan sinister_sid

Members Engine Bay:

the_catacombs:


Twin DCOE:


wkho555's DGAV:


Siapa punya???


andychan:



rozz_1291's ex engine bay:


Uranus Foo's 4G93T monster powered by microtech!


rozz_1291's 4G61 Factory stock

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Now can start posting edi. Enjoy guys...

1st!



This post has been edited by ronzai89: Jun 12 2011, 05:20 AM

rumah baru yo~

demm.....lambat a bit .....new v24 already....lipot2....

as opening...this video for sport only....



This post has been edited by GMS FearLess: Jun 12 2011, 10:18 AM

Nice emotion


Reporting IN !

Ei.
If the car write off the insurance agent dun allow my dad to take any parts.
How>?

dunnow.. .......but can kot.....i wan driver door can??my door bengkok edi....

but i wonder why left 2 tyre become like that??

Who says cannot?

First of all you need to kaotim with the bengkel and must bring replacement parts. Exp: taking out the meter, you need to bring another similar meter

Normally what ppl do is they just take out the performance parts and replace it with stock parts...

That's the reason why i want the meter and aircond vent hole only coz im using LMST as well.

If you dont do it, other bengkel people sure will sapu your bro car parts....

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Added on June 12, 2011, 12:18 pmDoors cannot la bro unless same color

This post has been edited by Notoriez: Jun 12 2011, 12:25 PM

Like that because u guys want spare part i have to so mafan ==
lazy lo

deww... not ask u swap also... ask them to top up also laa... u can earn abit from there also...

Wah, just finish my final exam nia, new version already~ XD

Reporting in! Huhuhu new home.....

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Added on June 12, 2011, 3:53 pmThere is no such thing as Insurance tak kasi, actually the workshop yg tak kasi(they want the part for themselves).....

This post has been edited by dakwan5555: Jun 12 2011, 03:53 PM

we are not asking it for free nia
top up ma
beside if you dont take the shop will sapu

betul2..willing to pay 4 the door

i want the plug cable can.. hehe

Hi, may I know whether the Proton Iswara LMST 2005 is equipped with Light Monitor System? Mean there will be a continuous buzzer sound when the headlights are turned on while engine is off.

nope

I see, so sad to hear that.

It is possible to install such system? but the owner's manual written there will have continuous beep sound if turned on headlight without turning on the engine. haiz

is there any price and workmanship diff if

1. i buy the header at powerzone and make the full exhaust system there.
2. i buy the header at powerzone and get the piping fix at other exhaust shop.

This post has been edited by lyordson: Jun 12 2011, 09:48 PM

it is better to install directly. if u are lucky, they will install it FOC after u bought the header. if install at other place, the cost might differs..

that day zeno naik genting overheat and the got a buzzer

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Added on June 12, 2011, 10:28 pmpowerzone full piping cost a bundle
outside piping if about the same can save you alot

This post has been edited by sinister_sid: Jun 12 2011, 10:28 PM

You just need to bring me there and talk to the bengkel owner...i'll pay for everything and do the dismantling job...

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Added on June 12, 2011, 11:29 pmNot sure bout the latest model meter (no blue light)...

But the 2004 model do have the rev limiter light (activate @ 7k), buzzer sound when overheating and light is switch on when key has been taken out..

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Added on June 12, 2011, 11:31 pmAs we discussed before, just try to source for 2nd PZ extractor which gonna cost around RM200-250. Just ensure there is no crack or additional welding (means got crack before)...

Then 1.7 full piping size (crushed bend) would be around RM170-200.

Mandrel bend is around RM400

This post has been edited by Notoriez: Jun 12 2011, 11:31 PM

reporting in

u try and see know lor... u driving lmst also rite???...

yes im driving it, it is a second hand car,

if not mistaken when i test it, it have the buzzer sound one, but after changed to new car alarm due to malfunction of the original alarm then the sound gone

I asked my friends, they also say the car have the buzzer sound when forgot to turn off the headlights.

maybe will send it to proton service center to have a wiring checking

guys, my fren is very interested to get an old, cheap but good condition saga.. any1 letting go theirs? n wat year n wat spec u guys recommand.. thx

how is it possible piping FOC?? they quoted me RM910 for full exhaust system, header RM460+mid bullet RM250+1.75" pipe RM200= RM910


does RM200 for 1.75" piping too much? im worry bout the workmanship outside as well.



not planning to get used one. dont wanna risk it. futhermore i tried to find used one. but no avail.

Sry2. Misread ur post. Buy pz header and then go to other exhaust shop for the piping. Should be less than 200. Save some $

Maybe the alarm installer cut off the wrong wire..... and the alarm can be installed on all type of car the module is called "Light reminder buzzer" the kit selling for about RM 40

Fleek you wan the LMST plug cable ? I got . Reason changed cause i now using Bosch Super Sports Mia . Condition good ah . Stock LMST plug cable Bougicord mia ....

I buy PW header from authorized dealer here they F.O.C install for me . Can find good condition 2nd hand is best . Don't be like me sohai straight go buy new 450 damage liao ...

i believe they provide warranty. no? correct me if im wrong

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Added on June 13, 2011, 1:29 pmoh.. but how less is the less? $ less or $$ less? otherwise i do it there if $ less coz i travel there oso need $ petrol lol x)

This post has been edited by lyordson: Jun 13 2011, 01:29 PM

Outside do piping compare to PZ should save you about 50% bah . Like most sifos... say . You can keep your stock piping just change the header and find a good exhaust . Warranty i think have bah i forget to ask that time .

owh.. okok thx. btw i forgot lmst stock piping size. whats the size d ah?

Yes yes. I want the cable. Mine keras d. Paliah brand. Bougicord rite? Pm me ur offer pls. Hehe

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Added on June 13, 2011, 2:15 pmWell. So far the cheapest i,ve been quoted for whole 1.7" piping is RM150.. u mentioned pZ offer u rm200 for piping rite? Its ok also. Less hassle to find other exhaust shop. Except the midbox is a bit expensive. U try install PZ header n piping first. Without midbox. See ur pick dam nice later. But sound abit loud la. Hehe

This post has been edited by fleekreturn: Jun 13 2011, 02:15 PM

If PZ offer mandrel bend pipes then it's worth it...if normal crushed bend, any ah seng, ah beng shop would do....

Go google what is the diff between mandrel and crushed bend..

However i dont think PZ offer mandrel bend piping..

apparently they do . they used to have crushed bent few years back, later on they changed to mandrel bent.
thats why i go for the new one and choosed powerzone

By the way you type seems like you already installed it .

do anyone know where does the proton light reminder buzzer placed?

LOL! not yet la.. few weeks ago i called them up, they said its mandrel bent.

Or maybe they just want to convince u perhaps? Hehe. Later u installed write a review here for us ok?

Wah PW header? Whr u bought it?? Got dealer in JB ah?

Any Suggestion for Braking Upgrade? Brade Pads sort of thing?...mine is rusted like hell i polish the rim like hell too ==

This post has been edited by Codyx: Jun 14 2011, 07:43 PM

Steel braided hose for ur brake? Evo, pajero, honda brake servo?

How bout Lowered iswara sedan? any adjustable hi-lo like GAB, Pro-ride or mines? Which is the the in terms of reliable and comfy abit?

how about brake pads...any recommendations...Ferodo?

bendix, rapid stop, metal king

Raralu. Can try HWL adjustable.

Sometime i powerdown my car (anticlockwise starter key)...the car vibrates like two elephant chasing each other for 2 seconds then off.....anyone care to shine some light? @@

Seems llike common issue for iswara carburetor..whn that happend try to start ur car immediately u will find it difficult to start the car again. Like sudden rush of fuel into the carb. I check online they said it was something to do with the solenoid at the back. no idea. wait for sifu reply.

Hi guys,

Need your advise I'd like to change my air con cover console. per the picture

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/camera004.jpg/

Normally how much is it cost? I'm foreigner scary to go shop without info.

pls give me an advice. thx.

http://www.powerzone.com.my/cms/index.php?...id=17&Itemid=35

There . Few Authorized Dealers in J.B actually . Some people do mention Hotbits . I never get to try it . Veli rare can find it in J.B .


What kind of car is yours ?

This post has been edited by Peekab0o: Jun 15 2011, 12:24 PM

Sorry forgot to mention.. I'm driving Proton iswara aeroback 99.

any diff for 1.7" & 1.75" piping?

is it alright if i use powerzone header with hotbits mid & rear section?

This post has been edited by lyordson: Jun 15 2011, 03:05 PM

is u have bajet...
straight get those reliable 1.....like GAB,D2,KW,K-sport.......... look for original. Imitation 1 really suck!

EBC FTW

Didnt knw JB got supplier for Powerzone, hotbits last time got..at speedzone..bankrupt already..lol!
Peekab0o u bought the wrong crank pulley due to the seller..u got get another one?

hwl adjustable ka bro? u using it?

Got ah some taiwan brand de p2r not bad ah .

Sure or not? Do you know how to differentiate betweel mandrel and crushed? I think it's the extractor only not the whole piping....extractor should be mandrel bend especially those branded ones.

haiyah pasang 1st la
belum try belum tau

clutch might be time up adi.
any recommendation?
wat to change?

Ok ah? So far engine ok? timing belt ok? Any big diff after installing?

yes, i do know how to differentiate between mendrel and crushed.
im know im a newbie but not a total newbie leh

bro your reply is kinda poky as the previous post. hope i dint offended you
and sorry if i do @.@

This post has been edited by lyordson: Jun 16 2011, 01:02 AM

not much difference between 1.7" and 1.75" laa... unless u talking about 1.7" and 2.0" den got some difference laa...
no problem... u can mix and match exhaust setting... as long as the setup is ideal its good to go...

yes HWL adjustable coilovers.... but front pair only... rear ones are non-adjustable...

exedy

@peekaboo: u using lcp? Hows ur high rpm? Still torquey?

after i change the header shud i keep the old one? lol

if retain stock flywheel get clutch kit
consisted of pressure plate , clutch plate and bearing and a flywheel oil seal
cost 230 for a exedy blue japan mali
190 for local proton
but get japan 1 as its better in bite and softer but now japan 1 stock are quite limited due to crisis at japan i heard it when i go to my spare parts shop
if want try something new get a st flywheel
cost 200++
clutch kit about 270

Timing belt okay ah just got abit noise loh . Non-damper pulley is machiam ini mia loh . Engine running okay ah . Big diff no lah . For that kind of 150-200 price can get some improvement can consider lucky liao loh .

I don't know how see still torquey or not leh but i know with air con on my rev go up easier then before . Can feel lighter like that bah .

I c, ur LCP is smaller size one? I saw redline like vry good..but seen some of the singapore forum using alutec = redline, corroded lor and some not well balance the crank pulley vibrated when running. Giv up

Redline got for 4g13/15 ? No more in production right ? I see most dealers they don't have ah .

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Added on June 16, 2011, 1:42 pmCan modify if ...

No.1 you can find that kind of aircon vent like that in that pic you provided .
No.2 Modify to fit in i don't think theres any problem with that dashboard can cut cut modify 1 .
No.3 Price i duno ... =x

Just some suggestion .

This post has been edited by Peekab0o: Jun 16 2011, 01:42 PM

nee i got mine replace for free when i go servise my air cond
5 buck only if i remember
go spare parts shop and you fix it in urself
eazy only

Redline got, I went to boostzone they got..but they also calling other supplier for it lah..redline quality ok??

I duno never use before =x . Boostzone expensive wor i ask them how much to install the ACP + Jasma High Cam they quote me Rm 250 . Fleek install only Rm 120 nia ...

Ya, their installation damn ex - -" I went there ask for redline crank pulley, they quote me RM4xx i said why so ex? So I ask them below 400 cannot meh? They said can..lol..can bargain wan. but still expensive..then he suggested me to bore to 1.6cc , change piston so on..2k++ haha..

Redline, Jasma, Works, Aerospeed all oso not bad.

4 brand I only trust Redline and Aerospeed
If not wrong Works doesnt have crank pulley for 4G13 right?
ever heard of Brisk crank pulley? I saw on that performance shop they recommended me - -" but hey, isn't Brisk spark plug brand? LOL

why not trust mythelogy? =p

No more in production for our 4g13/15 series maybe some supplier still have few pieces stock in thier shop . Have to go dig out .

got i think. can contact khguan?