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post Jul 7 2011, 04:22 PM

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ANy1 here used fully synthetic in their saga eh? I Would like to know if any1 have used it without any problem/ loss compression / leakage / oil reduction.

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The saga has massive engine oil leaking problem currently. And the belting also produce a lot of noise. Izzit possible to assume that the oil leakage is the source of the problem as it may has spill some to the belt?
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post Jul 7 2011, 04:32 PM

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If engine oil leak try to source what the problem is. If ur exhaust got white smoke, try replacing the valve seal. Could be one of the problem that caused the oil to leak. For the belting issue, just tighten back the belting and spray some WD40. Should be ok then.
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post Jul 7 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Codyx @ Jul 7 2011, 01:05 PM)
that one i buy around that price cannot stand 3 months ==
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post Jul 7 2011, 05:02 PM

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My low temp issue is solved! It was caused by the thermo switch at the bottom of the radiator. I bought this RM38 and diy replaced it piece of cake. At the same time I just flushed the radiator and thankfully not much rust. Photo below is the old switch which I took out.

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Now the fan kicks in at just below 2nd/middle notch which is correct, right?

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After the coolant cools down a bit, the fan stops. and it starts again when I rev it. So I believe the old switch was sending the coolant too hot signal too early to the fan smile.gif

So just change the thermo switch, RM38 only and easily diy but you'll need to replace some water/coolant as some will leak out. Make sure engine is COLD before doing this!

Hope this helps anyone out there facing same issue.


QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Jul 6 2011, 11:09 PM)
actually this is a myte among old saga
i own a 1.5 and a 1.3
both year 91 but 1 is register at march and other 1 in september
i do a comparison on both and found out there some different in the wiring system
my 1.5 fan kicks in when the water temp reach middle
my 1.3 fan kicks in when it reach 1 bar only
both switch were idendical
so i ask around some forman they said its normal just make sure the fan kick in than u will be fine
just to get a peace of mind get the switch change if u doubt on it since it cheap
and dont forget the radioator hose while you are at it too
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post Jul 7 2011, 07:31 PM

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Easy or not to open the plastic radiator clip at the bottom there? Mine a bit tight. Scare the clip will patah if I use force to open it.
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post Jul 7 2011, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ Jul 7 2011, 07:31 PM)
Easy or not to open the plastic radiator clip at the bottom there? Mine a bit tight. Scare the clip will patah if I use force to open it.
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post Jul 7 2011, 07:34 PM

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Opening that clip is enough to flush the water out right? Will try out tomorrow morning~
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post Jul 7 2011, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(lyordson @ Jul 7 2011, 02:09 AM)
i want to ask something. my fren using efi 4g13 satria stock, im using carb 4g13 stock. both oso 4-2-1. but his engine sounds more fierce than mine. why ahhh???
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probably ur carburetor not properly tuned??... sound fierce is useless.... smooth rev is what we looking for...

QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Jul 7 2011, 04:22 PM)
ANy1 here used fully synthetic in their saga eh? I Would like to know if any1 have used it without any problem/ loss compression / leakage / oil reduction.

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The saga has massive engine oil leaking problem currently. And the belting also produce a lot of noise. Izzit possible to assume that the oil leakage is the source of the problem as it may has spill some to the belt?
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me using TOTAL fully syn... in a healthy engine, there should not be much reduction in engine oil level even with hard revving.... mine dropped about 0.5cm (on dipstick) after 5000km....
where is this massive engine oil leaking problem coming from??... oil seals around ur engine or internal valve seal worn out??... visible leaks around ur engine block can be cheap and easy to repair...
worn out belting can cause squeaking noise... replace worn out belt and make sure ur mechanic tighten the belt to spec...
if oil spill onto ur belt, there should not be any noise... belt running dry with zero lub will squeak....
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post Jul 7 2011, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ Jul 7 2011, 07:31 PM)
Easy or not to open the plastic radiator clip at the bottom there? Mine a bit tight. Scare the clip will patah if I use force to open it.
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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ Jul 7 2011, 07:34 PM)
Opening that clip is enough to flush the water out right? Will try out tomorrow morning~
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u mean the wiring connector to the fan switch??... press gently at the correct spot and pull... hold the socket and pull, not the wiring...
if it does not work, use 2 pliers, both gripping the socket...

as for removing the fan switch, use spanar size 24 (if not mistaken)... if dont have so big spanar, use locking plier to remove it... do not tighten the new fan switch in place too tight... or else u might damage the radiator or the fan switch...
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post Jul 7 2011, 07:53 PM

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The clip just pull out or need to twist? I'm not sure it's the socket or etc. All I know is that the clip is located at the bottom of the radiator there.
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post Jul 7 2011, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 7 2011, 07:38 PM)
u mean the wiring connector to the fan switch??... press gently at the correct spot and pull... hold the socket and pull, not the wiring...
if it does not work, use 2 pliers, both gripping the socket...

as for removing the fan switch, use spanar size 24 (if not mistaken)... if dont have so big spanar, use locking plier to remove it... do not tighten the new fan switch in place too tight... or else u might damage the radiator or the fan switch...
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post Jul 7 2011, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 7 2011, 07:35 PM)
probably ur carburetor not properly tuned??... sound fierce is useless.... smooth rev is what we looking for...
me using TOTAL fully syn... in a healthy engine, there should not be much reduction in engine oil level even with hard revving.... mine dropped about 0.5cm (on dipstick) after 5000km....
where is this massive engine oil leaking problem coming from??... oil seals around ur engine or internal valve seal worn out??... visible leaks around ur engine block can be cheap and easy to repair...
worn out belting can cause squeaking noise... replace worn out belt and make sure ur mechanic tighten the belt to spec...
if oil spill onto ur belt, there should not be any noise... belt running dry with zero lub will squeak....
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Ic. Im asking because i just thought of switching to fully synthetic after i've solve the leaking problem. It is a visible leaking around the exterior of the engine. It leaked so much that it spill on the floor. Sent to workshop today for repair seems like nothing major. Just change the gasket. Also had to change the aircond belt as it squeak pretty loud.

* about belting, i thought its all the way around. If the belt is slippery, it will slip and create the squeaking sound.
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Carburetor throttle cable if like sticking how should i fix it??i tried spraying wd40 but still same....it won't go to 0 after stepping on the pedal have to manually use foot to lift it
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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ Jul 7 2011, 07:53 PM)
The clip just pull out or need to twist? I'm not sure it's the socket or etc. All I know is that the clip is located at the bottom of the radiator there.
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pull out... got 2 type of fan switch... both same application, just the socket wiring different... 1 got 1 cable, directly cucuk to the switch... another one with 2 wire with proper socket... check ur radiator fan wiring before buying...

the clip pull, not twist...

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this LKC got proper equitment & tools........
can buka workshop liao  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Jul 7 2011, 08:43 PM)
Ic. Im asking because i just thought of switching to fully synthetic after i've solve the leaking problem. It is a visible leaking around the exterior of the engine. It leaked so much that it spill on the floor. Sent to workshop today for repair seems like nothing major. Just change the gasket. Also had to change the aircond belt as it squeak pretty loud.

* about belting, i thought its all the way around. If the belt is slippery, it will slip and create the squeaking sound.
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no, switching to fully syn wont seal the leaking gap... u must find out the cause of the leak and repair it...
yes, it slips also create squeak.... but slip with lub wont create noise...

QUOTE(Chan320 @ Jul 7 2011, 08:44 PM)
Carburetor throttle cable if like sticking how should i fix it??i tried spraying wd40 but still same....it won't go to 0 after stepping on the pedal have to manually use foot to lift it
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change new cable... shouldnt be expensive... throttle jammed open is very dangerous...
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post Jul 7 2011, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 7 2011, 07:35 PM)
probably ur carburetor not properly tuned??... sound fierce is useless.... smooth rev is what we looking for...
me using TOTAL fully syn... in a healthy engine, there should not be much reduction in engine oil level even with hard revving.... mine dropped about 0.5cm (on dipstick) after 5000km....
where is this massive engine oil leaking problem coming from??... oil seals around ur engine or internal valve seal worn out??... visible leaks around ur engine block can be cheap and easy to repair...
worn out belting can cause squeaking noise... replace worn out belt and make sure ur mechanic tighten the belt to spec...
if oil spill onto ur belt, there should not be any noise... belt running dry with zero lub will squeak....
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i know... but it sounded like 4G9 inside. coz one of my fren 4g92satria sounds similar.. really scary lo when i draged with him.. he tekan oso i shaking jor but i won la lol. isit coz of muffler affect the sound?
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post Jul 7 2011, 10:11 PM

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Ok tq sky.. Lyrodson use open pod lo if want fierce sound.. Or if you wan fiercer, make custom piping where the exhaust is located below the gear console there. laugh.gif
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post Jul 7 2011, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ Jul 7 2011, 04:32 PM)
If engine oil leak try to source what the problem is. If ur exhaust got white smoke, try replacing the valve seal. Could be one of the problem that caused the oil to leak. For the belting issue, just tighten back the belting and spray some WD40. Should be ok then.
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Not recommended WD40 as it dries up faster...use Silicone spray instead...

Im using Full Syn without any issues except my style of driving will cause me to change lube every 5k doh.gif
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post Jul 7 2011, 10:59 PM

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like this ah ? brows.gif
its the carb been modded before
local language called it tebuk carb
like mine stock exhaust even back box are stock 1.3 and no exhaust leaking
mine carb been mod by previous owner's porman where the air jet and fuel jet been modified hence the sound

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QUOTE(lyordson @ Jul 7 2011, 09:59 PM)
i know... but it sounded like 4G9 inside. coz one of my fren 4g92satria sounds similar.. really scary lo when i draged with him.. he tekan oso i shaking jor but i won la lol. isit coz of muffler affect the sound?
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how i know ler... u say ur friend's car is 4g1x engine mar....

QUOTE(Notoriez @ Jul 7 2011, 10:37 PM)
Not recommended WD40 as it dries up faster...use Silicone spray instead...

Im using Full Syn without any issues except my style of driving will cause me to change lube every 5k doh.gif
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me also using full syn... mileage reach 7000km start feels laggy d... doh.gif doh.gif

QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Jul 7 2011, 10:59 PM)

like this ah ?  brows.gif
its the carb been modded before
local language called it tebuk carb
like mine stock exhaust even back box are stock 1.3 and no exhaust leaking
mine carb been mod by previous owner's porman where the air jet and fuel jet been modified hence the sound
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post Jul 8 2011, 12:52 AM

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temp switch cable is push/pull. there is a rubber covering over it so slide the rubber covering back, and gently pull on the socket. it should come out without too much efford. then i used an adjustable spanner to loosen the switch and then hand removed it. radiator coolant will leak out immediately so make sure it's not hot before you start.

For the radiator stopper, it's plastic so if you are not careful, yes you can break it. Buy one or two as spare, it only costs RM2 from spare parts shop.

If you're gonna do this tomorrow morning, better make sure you don't have to go anywhere far. Normally after you flush radiator, if you didn't get rid of all the air pockets the water level will drop after a short drive. So make sure you rev the engine a bit after filing water into radiator and get rid of the air pockets.

To be safe, drive short distances and then check the water level again (prob fill the spare tank instead of into radiator directly).

Good luck!

QUOTE(fleekreturn @ Jul 7 2011, 07:34 PM)
Opening that clip is enough to flush the water out right? Will try out tomorrow morning~
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