+3kk, reminds me of some of the tracks on 1 Giant Leap.

Good album too, that one.

Speaking of shakti and world fusion music..

did anyone mention any of Cafe Del Mar series ?

their all fine albums..I lost count on how many are they...and speaking of John McLaughlin there's an album called The Guitar Trio..the best chemistry between guitarists I've seen or heard till today..Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin and Al Di Meola

Cafe Del Mar??? Care for a review?

Yeah, Friday Night In San Francisco was amazing. Til this day, I can't believe how they manage to pull all those stuffoff.

Hmm.

Lets put it this way. Conventions and names are attributed to things (in this case, music genre) simply so that definitions are more or less universal across the board.

If definitions, meanings, even ideas are not represented correctly by their common terms, then it would be a lengthy exercise in explaining what each means. There is a particular white paper in the sociology that addresses the use of pre-established terms etc etc so that an idea or research isn't bogged down by the explanation of what has already been established before, but the title escapes me at this present time.

If I speak about punk to a current generation radio-friendly listener, I would be hard pressed to dive straight into the nuances of it as our definition of it wouldn't be the same. We would first have to establish the parameters of our definitions.

A corollary of this is that people now speak of different things while using the same name. And if a person is deprived of the ability or opportunity to explain or to understand, therein lies room for miscommunication.

Of course, simply as a listener, these things wouldn't really be important. But like all things of appreciation, there are different levels to it, and different facets of appreciation.

p.s. I'm sure that most avid classicalists wouldn't stand for a concerto being called an overture or a pianoforte being mistaken for a pianosimmo, would they?

now i'm beginning to see why ledzep has so many 'fans' in jamtank

This post has been edited by Everdying: Nov 5 2006, 09:12 PM

And perhaps you also know why I stop posting there.

A really good Jazz album is

Brad Mehldau - Art of the Trio, Vol.2: Live at the Village Vanguard.

His playing has been compared with Bill Evans, but I think its darker and more complex. He combines Jazz with some classical models and elements in his playing.

Larry Grenadier on bass and Jorge Rossy on drums just completes the trio perfectly.

If you're looking for a comtemporary Jazz trio who has a penchant for abstracting harmonies in a distinct Jazz/classical style, then this is for ya.

tho i wonder why echobrain has a lot of 'fans' there.

well what can I say...

Cafe Del Mar is actually a Bar in Ibiza, and they used to sell tapes of music and then turned to CD's and compilations..I think 13 of them, if you ever heared of Jose Padilla's works..he's a DJ in that bar and he compiled the first albums...to me I like the 6th album coz it was the first one I got..

the albums feature songs that are laid back chilled jazzy and easy to listen to with alot of ambiance and out of the usual music..and some famous artist too..to name a few there is: Talvin Singh, Paco de Lucia, Stan Getz, Nitin Sawhney etc...

going on the same steps there's also Buddha Bar which is an actual bar in france..it also features artists and has alot of great compilations about 7 or 8 of them..

I'm not as eloquent as you but i'll try:

Well we've reached a point in the music scene today where nothing is clearly defined. I realized this when i got the job as a bassist in an older band (people who grew up listening to 60s 70s even 50s stuff). And when i talk about rock they look at me with a blur face. And when they talk about rock i think about oldies. The thing about music is definition is constantly changing. That's why we get terms like 60s rock and 70s rock. And now we have the 2k rock?? .

Of course when i talk about music i'm excluding classical. Because classical music to me is not the "music" as referred to by the masses. It's classical music. And even then, i doubt there is a certain chart to define how many dB pianosimmo is (if i understand pianosimmo correctly in the first place...). And i've never heard 2 pianist play a piece exactly the same. Which concludes for me that again, there are no clear boundaries and definitions.

p.s This discussion can go on for ages

This post has been edited by Bassix: Nov 5 2006, 09:53 PM

Uh-huh? I thought he was pretty ok with the guys in Jamtank?

To be honest, there are certain Jamtankers that I couldn't stand. I think you know who they are... and some of which you have personal feuds with.

Ahh I see, sounds like good stuff. Where do you get these compilations?

cafe del mar compilations you can very easily get here in stores.

I got mines from the Middle East, where I come from

wooow.. sorry i couldn't follow up yesterday.

diapezan, it wasn't directed to you but to anyone (I compiled your "feelings" and bassix's ones when writing my post). Yet, when reading "mars volta", "artic monkeys" and something like "I pee on labels", it sounds very stereotypical to me ! I hope you understand why ?

I know : you might not have said that clearly, and you can be indignated by all those insane thoughts i'm putting in your "virtual" mind... but that's not the point of a forum. I, personally, am not fighting individuals (or the *exact* words they were using), I just care about the information / ideas conveyed in a post. And what you convey is a complex message that is prone to be interpreted in a different light than yours. But if you keep fighting about the misunderstanding part rather than the point of your posts, you'll never get your point accross in the end.

Funnily enough, ledzep posts are less complex, and clearer. To me, they are more valid.



I have no idea where Diapezan is coming from... where is he coming from ? MTV ?

you guys heared of Michel Camilo ?

a jazz Pianist..very energetic tropical/latin jazz..he also had beautiful pieces with Tomatito, a Spanish flamenco guitarist..

anyways...

Michel Camilo - Coyote

I think Echo got into a feud with someone called Gapster or was it Gapnap? over something to do with sweep picking me thinks.

Then again, this gap dude sure has some enemies. I heard Daniel of Edge of Fire actually confronted him during a gig and they got into some scuffle or something.

I've already explained the point of my posts.



My initial post was really quite simple, and yet it was taken in a different light.

Additionally, I don't really know about LedZep's standpoint on this, but I don't believe I was fighting. I thought I'd mentioned that I was hoping for a healthy discourse?

I think if people try and read what is really written instead of what they want to read, they'd get less things wrong.

But then again, without having the advantage of talking in person and hearing the tone that it is delivered in, one is always going to interpret posts in whatever way they wish, no?

This post has been edited by Diazepam: Nov 6 2006, 11:39 AM

I meant that you knew what he's trying to convey.

His old nick was Gapster, he switched to Gapnap for God knows why.

Like I said, it was surprising for me that you couldn't see the comparison. That's why I jump into conclusion that you haven't heard of the album.

This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: Mar 6 2007, 07:57 PM

but...but..but...i go along with that chap

and i had met him personally... i think that he's ok.
does that make us bad...