Yes. We have all become victims of the MTV generation....... where Dave Navarro is a guitar GOD (Ok.... he's good, but not Van Halen good.... or Yngwie good.... or even Herman Li good), Simple Plan is Punk Rock and MCR is metal........

At least American programming still have Headbangers Ball and excellent Rock stations on Radio...... all we get is Fly Guy.........

I'm a live performance junkie, so I'd have to say his live session albums in Stockholm and Woodstock is brilliant.

Check out his extended slower rendition of Red House in Stockholm and of course, the seminal Woodstock album. Especially love the free jam almost at the end.

Also, check out his Band of Gypsys or even better, Band of Gypsys Live at the Fillmore East. 'Machinegun' is ripping on both.

Want a new old skool metal album?

Go get the new-ish Iron Maiden album.

Gawd, I miss Glam-rock . . .

my turn to can't agree more

as for Hendrix... I personally love Electric Lady Land

Personally, I don't care for the media and their labels.

No I didn't compare Gilmour with that guitarist, I compared The Wall with the first track. Perhaps you should listen to the album before ranting. Not all music played on MTV are bad, you gotta live out of the media's influence and start judging music on your own. Just because it's mis-labeled or overhyped, it doesn't make it bad.

For me, it's First Rays of the New Rising Sun. Even though the album isn't complete, the songs here are much more structured and have a huge groove to it. Can't get enough of songs like Freedom, Dolly Dagger and Angel.

As for his live stuff, Band of Gypsys is amazing and the Isle of Wright DVD is a must.

Last time I saw on MTV - after school rocks, they showed Killswitch Engage.

On V's The Rock Show, they showed Thrice, some heavy metal stuff,with a woman singing, and I was looking forward to every show.
But now.. kononnye Indie bands..omg.

I find it rather amusing that you're again very quick in choosing to assume, especially since we hardly even know each other. How you are able to conclude that I have not listened to the album is beyond me.

I chose to express my opinion of music that is being hailed as good or as rock or whatever. And I chose to express my surprise and disagreement on your comparison of 'The End' with 'The Wall'. If forums are not the place for a healthy discourse, then perhaps I have gotten the whole spirit of forum boards wrong.

My earlier post did not for one moment assume that you are an idiot for expressing your opinion on the album and for your comparisons. I would appreciate it if your replies were written in similar vein - to myself or to others.

A large part of Pink Floyd's sound IS David Gilmour. I was merely stating that obvious fact to you, and that if you are really comparing one to another, then MCR's guitar-work would have to be just as dominant in its similar intense quietism. Hence one guitarist to another.

Additionally, I did not say that ALL music on MTV are bad.

Once again, I fail to see how you are able to categorically conclude that I am unable to judge music on its own inherent merits without being blinded by hype. Did I not just say in my earlier post that I do not understand the hype on all these new labels and bands? Did I not say that I was into Artic Monkeys? Aren't they newish? How then explains my indulgence in Mars Volta?

I would suggest that what I have written is understood in all its nuances before assuming - please.

Media and Labels:

In a large part, the music-buying masses are comprised of people who are brainwashed by the media, hype, trends, labels etc etc because that is what media and labels do.

Some people may be fine with allowing a whole generation of tele-tubbing watching infants (for example) to grow up with that sort of mindset, but I am not. Thus I am annoyed by the inapt categorizing of music as this represents a shift in social culture, which in time will no longer by considered a 'shift' but rather the norm. This is a trend not only present in music, but in almost all other spheres.

Once again, it really depends on what the shift is towards. In this case once again, I find it inept.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by Diazepam: Nov 4 2006, 05:24 PM

if you won't say it i will.

ALL music on MTV is bad. Yes ALL.

There we go. After all I'm 1 in 6 billion. So nobody cares anyway.

Correction: MTV nowadays that is... It wasn't always crappy

This post has been edited by Bassix: Nov 4 2006, 08:33 PM

Alright, so you've heard the album? Fair enough, I apologize for assuming that you didn't. Moving on...

So ranting is a healthy discourse? Mind you, this is a topic on recommended music albums and from the MCR album, you went on and rant about MTV. I would like to know how healthy it is to rant in a forum, we all know it rarely leads to a happy ending.

If you don't like what they're playing on the Rock Show, fair enough but I for one do not think they are "total dogs bollocks". So Keane and so forth are probably not your thing, however imo they still fall under the category of Pop Rock, thus Channel V does has its reasons for including it in The Rock Show. Perhaps my sentence "judging music no your own" is too vague... Did I assume that you can't judge music on its own merits? No. Do I think you fail to differentiate between music that is not your cup of tea and music that is 'total bollocks'? From your post, I couldn't help but think so.

As on the subject of Pink Floyd,
When I compared the track The End to The Wall, obviously I'm comparing Gilmour's guitar work on The Wall to the guitar work on The End. But your question was... and may I remind you :
"You're comparing David Gilmour to whateverhisname guitarist?"
Firstly, I'm not comparing David as a guitarist to whateverhisname guitarist, but merely their work on their respective tracks. The riffs & arrangements both are, without doubt similiar to that of In The Flesh.

The Wall is Roger's masterpiece and vision. If someone were to compare The Wall to some other album, the first things that come into mind are the rock opera theme, the lyrics, the dark-sounding Bb(?) key that was used throughout the album.
Unless you're assuming that the comparison is made from a guitarist's standpoint, that is.

And one final thing...
"in fact the first track reminds me of Pink Floyd's The Wall"
Your reply?
"You're comparing David Gilmour to whateverhisname guitarist?"
And?
"My earlier post did not for one moment assume that you are an idiot for expressing your opinion on the album and for your comparisons. I would appreciate it if your replies were written in similar vein - to myself or to others."

I rest my case.

'head' > john mclaughlin

i win....

having a totally anti-label spirit, anti-MTV, listening to what is called "alternative" or "underground" (in the broad sens)... i think that itself is a kind of brainwash. Isn't it hype to love "Artic Monkeys" ?

Isn't it super-hype to hate MTV...?



Led zep, your post is surprisingly interesting.. aren't you supposed to be still a nerdy teenager ???

1. Ranting can be healthy if taken and delivered in the right vein. I believe I did not direct it towards anyone on this forum, and I believe I brought up very valid points (as you would yours), rather than it just being an emotive outburst based on dubious logic. I have no idea of what your exposure so far has been, but it would seem that things take on a very different light with you. I have had numerous positive endings to rants - mostly by mature people who agree to disagree, and without any sort of presumptions or assumptions in their posts on a person's influences or thought processes.

2. 'Total dogs bollocks' was directed at the labelling of certain music as rock or punk etc. Once again, please re-read my post. If you have totally missed it, my rant was about mislabelling and not about slating bands who weren't my cup of tea.

3. I fail to see how you can compare a person's guitar work without comparing the guitarist. One's guitar work is a culmination of one's influences and experiences etc. This reasoning is filmsy on your part.

4. -->



I have already explained this in my previous post. Once again, please re-read.

5. --->



I was asking you a question. Perhaps you should re-read the follow-up para in my post :

"MCR is just another band that's evolving that New Jersey vibe. Perhaps their penchant for theatrics are similar in vein, but comparing their music?"

Did I slate your choice of comparison or did I post an alternate view of your comparison?

If you are feeling defensive over alternate views on what you have reviewed, then please by no means take it out on me, and then turn around and say that my reply to your review implied that you were an idiot.

6. About ranting in this thread - I believe that should one disagree with a certain review - in this case, mislabelling, then one should be free to express that, especially in a thread that is supposed to 'review' albums.

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You chose to view my questions and concerns about popular music culture today, in my very first post, as being somehow personally directed at you, when only the first portion about MCR was in any way related to you.

But you are right, this has gone on for longer than it should in this thread. I will refrain from any more replies.

p.s. I would still like someone to explain to me what an 'emo band' is please, or do I need to start a needlessly short thread on it, seeing how some might view it as being OT in an 'album review thread'?

Ummm, where did I say that I am anti-MTV, etc etc (all that you brought up)?

I said I disagreed with what they are calling rock or <insert what you will> these days.

Can you guys stop putting words in my (virtual) mouth? *sigh*

Yes, I love Artic Monkeys - and I have no idea what genre of music they are, btw. And I don't really mind not knowing either.

p.s. how is Artic Monkeys or esp Mars Volta underground or alternative?

Someone should go download Children of Bodom 'Chaos Ridden Years' live concert. A must watch if you are a fan of COB.

Bodom rocks!!!

Did Pix imply that you're a anti-MTV??? I don't know, but if so, your first post does indirectly imply that you're one. Not that I'm assuming that you are one, anyway.

2. Does it make a difference? Don't forget about the "wussy teen poppish music"... isn't that slating bands who weren't your cup of tea too?
3. If you put it this way, fine.
4, 5. The similarity between the 2 is too huge to be ignore. Like I've said, the lyrics, the rock-opera theme, the dark-sounding key as well as the riffs. I'm not being defensive, it just surprises me that you find it surprising to see comparison. I believe I'm not the only one or few who have made such comparisons... it shouldn't have surprised you.
And to answer your alternate view, I was merely comparing the first track of the album to The Wall. MCR's music on the whole, pales in comparison to Pink Floyd's imho.
1,6. Disagree, yes. Going further and rant about the Rock Show and so forth?

Perhaps you want to know why I view the questions on MTV and its mislabelling directed to me? Whilst I'm a fan of classic rock and blues, I'm also a huge fan of the music played on MTV - James Blunt, Keane, Coldplay etc... you name 'em. And perhaps you should respect the music listeners of this kind rather than dismissing them as "wussy teen poppish music". They're poppish (nothing wrong with that, eh?) music, but not in any way "wussy" or "teen".

PS: Wikipedia : Emo Music

Quick one (altho I said I won't reply, but I couldn't resist ):

I said wussy teen poppish music AGAIN, in relation to punk being equated to MCR = mislabelling. If MCR is taken as punk by teens today, then what does it say of the mindset?

I listen to James Blunt as well, Coldplay (own their albums), etc etc and some of the mainstream commercial bands that gets tonnes of airplay on MTV and V. If you like Wierd Al Yankovic (for example), then hey thats your choice. But it will disagree with me if you then say his music is metal.

AGAIN - my post was about mislabelling, not about anti-MTV or disrespecting those who like to listen to different genres of music.

AGAIN - stop assuming --->



Perhaps you guys should better comprehend what I posted in the very first place.

This post has been edited by Diazepam: Nov 5 2006, 07:15 PM

Oh, thanks for the wiki link on emo.

Excuse me if i got in the way but:

what's the problem with mislabelling? With the massive fusion of music styles nowadays, it's bound to happen that some people label themselves as a rock band while playing "wussy teenie" stuff. Some bang out a tune with weird chords and heavy distortion and call it jazz-rock. Some joker decided to form a boy/girl band and call it R&B and it definitely wasn't rhythm nor blues. Whenever i say i hate this rapper, some dude comes up to me and says, "thats hip-hop you idiot". Metal? To me it's all noise. Funk to some is just boring 16 beat one chord crap.

I don't see any harm in mislabelling, because labelling music to me is quite a stupid thing to do. To me there's only good music and shit.

Go on, you know it's irresistable.

I believe your post did not convey that meaning successfully.

Now that's surprising... so why is it Keane not rock enough for the Rock Show. Just curious here.

I think Pix knows where you're coming from & I doubt that he assumed that you're anti-MTV. He was just... being Pix.

Couldn't agree more. There're only 2 types of music to me, good and bad but like Diazepam said, he's not the type who could sit around and let the MTV generation getting brainwashed by the (mis-)labels. For me, I couldn't care less.

bah this mtv whatever stuff will never stop.

my recommendation for today..

shakti - shakti

genre: world fusion. (western and indian music)

members:
john mclaughlin ( guitars) , L. Shankar (Violin), R. Raghavan (Mridangam), T. H. Vinayakaram (Ghatam and Mridangam), Zakir Hussain - (Tabla)

Tracks : Joy, Lotus Feet, (What have i for this, what have i for that, i am dancing at my feet of my lord, all is bliss, all is bliss.)

perhaps an abulm that doesnt appeal to everyone (who in the right mind would like classical indian and western music? fused together?, but then again certain people do). nonetheless its a great abulm that i would recommend to people who appreciates music as a whole. its a musical masterpiece, the wild creativity, smooth flowing music is wonderful, played with superb skills and musicianship...one could ask no more. sometimes this is what we wish music would be like, free flowing and creative. yet only a handful of musicians have the skill and ability to pull of stuff like this. even worse that only a handful would like and understand the wonders of it.

*perhaps the other important point about this ablum is that mclaughlin uses an acoustic guitar in this outing, he droped his electric wanking from his mahavishnu days to create this masterpiece.

This post has been edited by +3kk!: Nov 5 2006, 08:45 PM