I couldn't agree more.

Am also getting pretty hooked on the Artic Monkeys right now. Pretty good if you're into that kind of music.

*start rant*

Pink Floyd and MCR?

You're comparing David Gilmour to whateverhisname guitarist?

MCR is just another band that's evolving that New Jersey vibe. Perhaps their penchant for theatrics are similar in vein, but comparing their music?

Anyways, what is 'emo band' anyway? I've heard it being mentioned so many times?

Also, whats with 'Rock Shows' on MTV and V? The trailers for the show features bands like KISS, G'N'R, etc etc but when you watch it, its full of wussy teen poppish music whose descriptions include 'rock', 'heavy', 'punk' blah blah blah which is total dogs bollocks. How does Keane end up on a 'Rock Show'?

Do these programme directors need an education in music or are they merely succumbing to peer pressure from current 'rock' enthusiasts?

I've even heard of the New Jersey sound being called 'punkish'. WTF!

Whatever happened to Punk=Sex Pistols?

Is this the WUSSY generation?

*end rant*

I'm a live performance junkie, so I'd have to say his live session albums in Stockholm and Woodstock is brilliant.

Check out his extended slower rendition of Red House in Stockholm and of course, the seminal Woodstock album. Especially love the free jam almost at the end.

Also, check out his Band of Gypsys or even better, Band of Gypsys Live at the Fillmore East. 'Machinegun' is ripping on both.

Want a new old skool metal album?

Go get the new-ish Iron Maiden album.

Gawd, I miss Glam-rock . . .

I find it rather amusing that you're again very quick in choosing to assume, especially since we hardly even know each other. How you are able to conclude that I have not listened to the album is beyond me.

I chose to express my opinion of music that is being hailed as good or as rock or whatever. And I chose to express my surprise and disagreement on your comparison of 'The End' with 'The Wall'. If forums are not the place for a healthy discourse, then perhaps I have gotten the whole spirit of forum boards wrong.

My earlier post did not for one moment assume that you are an idiot for expressing your opinion on the album and for your comparisons. I would appreciate it if your replies were written in similar vein - to myself or to others.

A large part of Pink Floyd's sound IS David Gilmour. I was merely stating that obvious fact to you, and that if you are really comparing one to another, then MCR's guitar-work would have to be just as dominant in its similar intense quietism. Hence one guitarist to another.

Additionally, I did not say that ALL music on MTV are bad.

Once again, I fail to see how you are able to categorically conclude that I am unable to judge music on its own inherent merits without being blinded by hype. Did I not just say in my earlier post that I do not understand the hype on all these new labels and bands? Did I not say that I was into Artic Monkeys? Aren't they newish? How then explains my indulgence in Mars Volta?

I would suggest that what I have written is understood in all its nuances before assuming - please.

Media and Labels:

In a large part, the music-buying masses are comprised of people who are brainwashed by the media, hype, trends, labels etc etc because that is what media and labels do.

Some people may be fine with allowing a whole generation of tele-tubbing watching infants (for example) to grow up with that sort of mindset, but I am not. Thus I am annoyed by the inapt categorizing of music as this represents a shift in social culture, which in time will no longer by considered a 'shift' but rather the norm. This is a trend not only present in music, but in almost all other spheres.

Once again, it really depends on what the shift is towards. In this case once again, I find it inept.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by Diazepam: Nov 4 2006, 05:24 PM

1. Ranting can be healthy if taken and delivered in the right vein. I believe I did not direct it towards anyone on this forum, and I believe I brought up very valid points (as you would yours), rather than it just being an emotive outburst based on dubious logic. I have no idea of what your exposure so far has been, but it would seem that things take on a very different light with you. I have had numerous positive endings to rants - mostly by mature people who agree to disagree, and without any sort of presumptions or assumptions in their posts on a person's influences or thought processes.

2. 'Total dogs bollocks' was directed at the labelling of certain music as rock or punk etc. Once again, please re-read my post. If you have totally missed it, my rant was about mislabelling and not about slating bands who weren't my cup of tea.

3. I fail to see how you can compare a person's guitar work without comparing the guitarist. One's guitar work is a culmination of one's influences and experiences etc. This reasoning is filmsy on your part.

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I have already explained this in my previous post. Once again, please re-read.

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I was asking you a question. Perhaps you should re-read the follow-up para in my post :

"MCR is just another band that's evolving that New Jersey vibe. Perhaps their penchant for theatrics are similar in vein, but comparing their music?"

Did I slate your choice of comparison or did I post an alternate view of your comparison?

If you are feeling defensive over alternate views on what you have reviewed, then please by no means take it out on me, and then turn around and say that my reply to your review implied that you were an idiot.

6. About ranting in this thread - I believe that should one disagree with a certain review - in this case, mislabelling, then one should be free to express that, especially in a thread that is supposed to 'review' albums.

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You chose to view my questions and concerns about popular music culture today, in my very first post, as being somehow personally directed at you, when only the first portion about MCR was in any way related to you.

But you are right, this has gone on for longer than it should in this thread. I will refrain from any more replies.

p.s. I would still like someone to explain to me what an 'emo band' is please, or do I need to start a needlessly short thread on it, seeing how some might view it as being OT in an 'album review thread'?

Ummm, where did I say that I am anti-MTV, etc etc (all that you brought up)?

I said I disagreed with what they are calling rock or <insert what you will> these days.

Can you guys stop putting words in my (virtual) mouth? *sigh*

Yes, I love Artic Monkeys - and I have no idea what genre of music they are, btw. And I don't really mind not knowing either.

p.s. how is Artic Monkeys or esp Mars Volta underground or alternative?

Quick one (altho I said I won't reply, but I couldn't resist ):

I said wussy teen poppish music AGAIN, in relation to punk being equated to MCR = mislabelling. If MCR is taken as punk by teens today, then what does it say of the mindset?

I listen to James Blunt as well, Coldplay (own their albums), etc etc and some of the mainstream commercial bands that gets tonnes of airplay on MTV and V. If you like Wierd Al Yankovic (for example), then hey thats your choice. But it will disagree with me if you then say his music is metal.

AGAIN - my post was about mislabelling, not about anti-MTV or disrespecting those who like to listen to different genres of music.

AGAIN - stop assuming --->



Perhaps you guys should better comprehend what I posted in the very first place.

This post has been edited by Diazepam: Nov 5 2006, 07:15 PM

Oh, thanks for the wiki link on emo.

+3kk, reminds me of some of the tracks on 1 Giant Leap.

Good album too, that one.

Hmm.

Lets put it this way. Conventions and names are attributed to things (in this case, music genre) simply so that definitions are more or less universal across the board.

If definitions, meanings, even ideas are not represented correctly by their common terms, then it would be a lengthy exercise in explaining what each means. There is a particular white paper in the sociology that addresses the use of pre-established terms etc etc so that an idea or research isn't bogged down by the explanation of what has already been established before, but the title escapes me at this present time.

If I speak about punk to a current generation radio-friendly listener, I would be hard pressed to dive straight into the nuances of it as our definition of it wouldn't be the same. We would first have to establish the parameters of our definitions.

A corollary of this is that people now speak of different things while using the same name. And if a person is deprived of the ability or opportunity to explain or to understand, therein lies room for miscommunication.

Of course, simply as a listener, these things wouldn't really be important. But like all things of appreciation, there are different levels to it, and different facets of appreciation.

p.s. I'm sure that most avid classicalists wouldn't stand for a concerto being called an overture or a pianoforte being mistaken for a pianosimmo, would they?

A really good Jazz album is

Brad Mehldau - Art of the Trio, Vol.2: Live at the Village Vanguard.

His playing has been compared with Bill Evans, but I think its darker and more complex. He combines Jazz with some classical models and elements in his playing.

Larry Grenadier on bass and Jorge Rossy on drums just completes the trio perfectly.

If you're looking for a comtemporary Jazz trio who has a penchant for abstracting harmonies in a distinct Jazz/classical style, then this is for ya.

I've already explained the point of my posts.



My initial post was really quite simple, and yet it was taken in a different light.

Additionally, I don't really know about LedZep's standpoint on this, but I don't believe I was fighting. I thought I'd mentioned that I was hoping for a healthy discourse?

I think if people try and read what is really written instead of what they want to read, they'd get less things wrong.

But then again, without having the advantage of talking in person and hearing the tone that it is delivered in, one is always going to interpret posts in whatever way they wish, no?

This post has been edited by Diazepam: Nov 6 2006, 11:39 AM