I got one premium package which included the laser thingamijig & the height adjuster (which is basically a thin metal rod) plus a set of 4 of the sort fut and another four sort futs for HKD19,840.

That sounds on par with harmonix....

If you have the chance....try harmonix syn100 plus rf909x-mk2...

I'm using this combo for my cd and amp

The result is just freaking fantastic

I can let u try my set but its not for sale....hehehehe

Oh very affordable.

Emerald Physics DAC 2 24/192k, RM849
Topping TP60 2013/14, RM600
Xls Encore, RM1290

Total damage is only RM2739.

We have done AB tested with much higher priced setup (different dac, amp, but same speaker) The result has minor differences, except some audiophile preferences.

This post has been edited by fx20: Sep 24 2014, 09:31 AM

Talking about this TP60, although it is no the best amp out there, but I was truly surprise of its performance. FYI the tripath technolgies used in the amp, the TA2020, was named one of the twenty-five chips that 'shook the world" by the IEEE Spectrum magazine.

Accordingly, these t-amp able to regenerate almost identical waveform as its output.

hhhmmm what other amps have you tested with the XLS?

1. TP30, TP60
2. Parasound 5125
3. NAD3020, 375BCEE
4. AVR 5008, 6008
5. Denon AVR 19xx 21xx (forgot the exact number)
6. Some Yaqin tubes, MS30L, MC13s, MS300, mc100B and another one out of production.
7. Emotiva monoblock, UPA1, XPA5
8. Frank Voon power amp (customer one)
9. Emerald Physics Power amp
10. Rockson integrated (customer one)
11. Cambridge audio integrated one (custumer one)
12 ... many others.

Maybe you will ask, what the differences? Most amp above gave me very positive impression, smooth high, forwarding mid with detail. That mean most amp are trying to deliver flat SPL. But the high power amp delivers lower end freq in much different way, the high power one are really fast and technically, you dont need a sub for normal music listening. The low power one are somewhat a bit boomy...

so the high powered amps probably gave more control and transient

hows the XLS damping factor like?

low power amps sound abit boomy probably bcoz lack of transience and damping factor....hence less control over the speaker

i'm actually tempted to look at DIY tubes using either KT88/KT120 or 6550. Not cheap though

this system intent is like DIY sound hobbyist....
was even thinking of doing up a pair of scanspeaks speakers
Ring Radiator tweets and 7" Revelator mids
diy passive xovers....with Mundorf, Dueland and etc

XLS Encore rated at 8ohm with sensitivity of 87db. They are very easy to drive. Yes, high power amp sound good on amp speaker as they have more current on the control.

I not a big fan of DIY. One problem with DIY, how to do QC? This particularly true if you are building amp and dac. But if you look at those factory, they have a specialized software to check all the circuit with correct parameters.

Building speaker can be very challenging. It is not about building box+oxver. It all about getting the right Thiel parameters, incorporated into your final product and finally tuned with the right network in the xover. Usually, the tuning has to be done by ears ...

XLS Encore is a really very impressive speaker, why bother to build one since you can own it will really low price?

how about XLS encore peerless drivers being replaced by their bigger brother.....Scanspeaks.....

fx20.......diy is like a hobby for me......
obviously for serious listening i already have my rig

Then you need to modified the network in the xover. The silk dome tweeter in the XLS is attenuated to radiance the equal SPL with other. And you and to re-tune everything again. But, you do not have that reason to do so, XLS uses high end customized tweeter (you can see them in some Sonodyne line). They sound as good as Scan-speak ones. You have to listen to believe.

Actually, peerless makes produces high quality and accurate drivers and OEM for some famous companies. Just that they don't announce like others.

yeah.....Peerless, Vifa and Scanspeaks make alot of OEMs for famous companies

The first gen of SF Cremonas were using scanspeaks drivers

Peerless and Vifa is even more common due to the price

i had a Peerless setup in my car many years ago
in short...some of the good technology R&D in Scanspeaks were brought down to the Vifa and Peerless ranges

The XLS Encore 6.5 woofer comes with a copper cap. You won't be able to find high quality woofer like this.

what's the purpose of the copper cap?
passive filtering?

i see.....good stuffs....

i'm not a fan of subs.....
i find it hard to match d speed

that's the reason i go for full floor stander for main rig
have the setup done correct.....d low just blows you away

Yes, price factor. The other company I like is Wavecor, but they are very expensive.

They are good driver manufacturer in Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, China, Philipones and Japan. I hear Indo got 1 soon. What happened to our Malaysia?

To reduce impedance increment at high frequency and reduce the nonlinearity due to inductance modulation.

You know how to appreciate it when you know its spec. When I first got a pair of it, I was stunned the performance of its price.

I used to own Ascend Acoustics CBM 170SE. They both are impressive and very well engineered, but Encore has better lower end and cheaper. Pair it with a sealed sub, they are good to go with any genre.

Sometime, a sub is required especially below 40hz. A 7-10" woofer wouldn't go very low just because you cannot defy the laws of physics.

I am not a big fan of sub either, but I truly love my dual driver Epik Legend. They are incredibly fast.

Hi Shi fu shi fu

If i buy a Marantz PM8005,SA 8005 or NA 8005, is it had resolve the source and amplifier?
Love the USB feature, got the quote S$1100 for 8005 but not sure SA,NA or PM.

Plan to buy this old receiver with pcs of speaker
sansui G7000


any master pieces speaker for vinyl or FM?

primarily....what's your requirement for source?

if USB is the main criteria....there are plenty of cd source nowadays that supports USB media

not sure about SG price...but it sounds attractive
the best way to decide is to audition kau kau at the shop

a good hifi shop always allows you to hear and audition first

since you are buying in SGD.....you might want to scout for NAD, Audiolabs and so on
should have a few choices there

vintage speakers....errr my dad had an old pioneer
really old school
d ones with wooden frame mesh cover

comes with horn tweeters, 2 upper mids, 2 mid bass and 1 12" woofer

yes....and its bloody heavy

This is a highly acclaimed old school amp. The problem is you may need to take a look inside, clean all the dust, and check of any component need to be replaced. Otherwise it is a collectable.

For speaker, just get any good speaker with high to average sensitivity and low impedance will do the job well.

Wow, 5 ways?

Just curious how complicated is the design of their crossover

This post has been edited by fx20: Sep 30 2014, 10:06 AM

actually these speakers are really full spectrum speakers
the bass is nice and the mids are just awesome

the pair that i had...the issue was the wood itself was rotting...not due to termites though

they r really a great pair of sounding speaker

and the xover...u r right....very simple design....straight to the point

and i remember you can even select the impedance

I'm one of those using a Pioneer 4 way 6 speaker driver model from the 70's powered by an audiophile rated Class D car power amplifier. Its highly efficient and I don't need megaWatts to drive it.
Its with a 15" woofer and rare super tweeters of its heyday. I've not looked back since, after listening to a tube amp and some modern audiophile bookshelf speakers. Its seems like a weird and off trend combination, but to my ears, its hugely satisfying. The crossovers were given a capacitor replacement job recently, due to age. The crossover is no more complicated than some modern bookshelf speaker, just a few more coils and specific value capacitors on a larger board. If you like heavy vintage large driver speakers, look to JBL 43XX series speakers.. These are the real deals and rare. No blooming bookshelves can match have the awesome sound these JBL's can produce. They all cost in the 5 figure region, no less.

Most of them are with particle board (call it chipboard to some) and they aren't made to last forever, just like any Japanese product, but with very careful storage and least humidity, these products can last a lot more than it was intended. In mine, the front baffle is of solid 1" veneer ply, inside reinforced by another layer of solid wood veneer inside the cabinet. Only the main cabinet and back panel is particle board. Mine have some chipaways at some corners only, the rest is fine, still I'll have to find the time and will to fully restore the defects with modern wood fillers and some approved methods of restoration. It can be done.
The drivers are all of paper cone thus producing what people refer to as "vintage tone or sound". Paper or wood pulp based speaker cones produce a very different character from current generation of speakers. Current cones are of modern material and more rigid, thus perhaps more accuracy in sound reproduction but less efficient and requiring more amplification power to drive them. Paper cones were the norm and technology of the day, and even studio engineers ears are accustomed to the tone back in its heyday, thus mixing down and re-mastering the tracks to what they thought was accurate. Played back on modern speakers, they may sound quite different from intended, and some people start to question and fault the remastering quality. All around the same debate on valves vs transistor sound. Other than the tone and slightly less resolution than the best of current generation high end speakers, I think my Pioneer speaker would produce a very commendable and satisfying performance, at least thats what my ears tell me, which I'm not wanting to part with it anytime hereon. Its a keeper...no if's no but's.

Most of those Youtube clips about Japanese vintage equipment are seen as near mint or pristine examples. What I've consistently seen here either on the used market or junk yards are with numerous visual defects, very aged, or at least 2-3 or more dings here n there. Worst of all, discoloured or corroded knob, switches and fascia plate.. the product mostly fit for the bin. Our local high humidity is the greatest destroyer of any product, sad but true. So finding a pristine vintage is a rare thing here.

This post has been edited by bsl555: Sep 30 2014, 06:30 PM