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post Jun 28 2006, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 28 2006, 10:27 AM)
D5 pump issit?

For what you want so many rads? One 240 enuf lar...Even if the pump is kuat enuf.

Waste money.

No point putting in a MCW30 also...that thing damn thin leh....reduce ur flow AND block one PCI-E slot on ur SLI-DR in the process. If you want silent, might as well dump a freezer64 there. Much more effective than water cooling it.

Biggest boo boo of all is that EVEN if you could fit everything inside a mid tower..think of the congestion. The internals will be so darn full of tubings and stuff that airflow will be blocked kau kau.

For example.. with air cooling, my ultra-D's pwm temps never exceed 46C. With watercooling, it shoot up to 60+C....and that's on a very clean unobstructed case.

Hence not just the power ic's that's gonna cook...ur rams are gonna cook...ur vga's mems are gonna cook.

Lastly, the jedi council all voted AGAINST the Apogee. Hehehehe  tongue.gif
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Mastah Sniper, see you no long time, ok hope your rig is.

Against Apogee Jedi Council voted yes...errrr now rclxub.gif rclxub.gif pening, macam mana derlin boleh cracked....? the force is in you strong one...

and daze, drop the two rads idea, it's weakened you Heads loop and the provide insignificant improvement throughout the systems.
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post Jul 7 2006, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jul 7 2006, 08:10 AM)
Guys i need some guide/info here.

Before :

Zalman WB2 waterblock, Eheim pump, BIP II Rad, 3/8 tubing
Idle : 27c - 29c
Load : 42 - 44c

Now :
Whitewater LE waterblock, Nirox 2800, BIP II Rad, 1/2 tubing
Idle : 30c - 34c
Load : 40c - 43c

Why when using the zalman + eheim, my temp seems lower than usig whitewater + nirox? As in review, whitewater is one of the "challenger" of Storm. But, in my setup, its different story.
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bro setan, which Eheim u're using?

IMHO Whitewater LE is a good High Restrictive waterblock if you can pair it with a suitable pump... which nirox P2800 isn't one of em. You'll need a pump with at least 3.0 Hmax for that block which is again paired with a 2 x 120 rad... pity the nirox P2800. It'll be like using a Nisan 120Y engine in a Merc S280 body... sure the car can move but naik bukit sakit sikit lar, even a kapchai kan overtake.
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post Jul 9 2006, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(ncool15 @ Jul 8 2006, 11:56 AM)

SWIFTECH STORM G4 REVISION 2
BLACK ICE PRO III 3x120MM
EHEIM 1046 PUMP
6 FEET CLEARFLEX 60 TUBINGS.


So what's the result that I can expect from this setup.Will Black Ice Xtreme 120MM better than Black Ice Pro III?

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 8 2006, 02:07 PM)
I don't think the 1046 got enuf head for a storm + a 3x rad.
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Uncle sniper is right 1046 wont cut the G4 more over a BIP3. Get at least a MCP655 or D5.

BIX 120 > BIPIII? son, you're comparing a single 120mm rad with a triple 120mm rad. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif it's not the same game, heck it's not even in the same ballpark. Mebbe i'll confuse u a bit more brows.gif :

1. BIX 120 is better than BIP 120 if... IF u're using a high CFM fan
2. BIP2 is better than BIX 120 if using a low CFM fan, and finally
3. BIX3 is better than BIP3 if using a high CFM fan.

TIPS: if you're oni watercooling your cpu then, a single 120mm rad is sufficient.

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post Jul 10 2006, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(aleck @ Jul 9 2006, 09:54 PM)
well maybe 2 x 1046 would be close to the performance of an MCP655

it will be a more silent approach if space is not a constraint
i can hardly hear my twin 1250's that pump out 4meters of head
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Yup those Ehiem are quiet, reliable pumps.. but pricey. Ei. nice setup on your rig rclxms.gif rclxms.gif good to see someone still using ye ol faithfull Maze4 block... rclxm9.gif

aleck, performance wise how ar? 3 blocks, 2 rads, 2 pumps.... brows.gif
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post Jul 15 2006, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Jul 12 2006, 01:16 AM)
is a single nirox sufficient for a swifttech dual fan rad, apogee block, and swiftech high flow reservoir??? my temp seems weird ler, opteron 144 wif 1.375 vcore, idle 37c max load 44c at default clock.... tubings = 1/2"ID
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EDIT:mind telling what's the ambient temp?END EDIT... sigh... you'd mentioned the ambient temp in previous post sweat.gif . how long/length the tubing? neway if the amibent is around 28~30C your load is should be around 34C~36C with the block+rad combo. (dT +-6C from ambient). but then again need a detail spec of your loop e.g. like bro metal suggested a pic of the setup... well just to play it safe if using a dual rad (2 x 120mm) better get a better pump than the P2800... resistivity even though is minute, is still a restrictive factor in the dual rad loop.

QUOTE(aleck @ Jul 13 2006, 01:03 PM)
opty165 2.75g 1.55v idle 28c load 36c
x800gto2 16pl 590/620 idle 36c load 40c
nf4 chipset 1.5v idle 34c load 36c
pwm 41c
ambient 24c
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heheheee... cantik temp. with the all the rads, of course lar no pump's heat dump issue. plus mind the heads brows.gif guys, this is an excellent example of knowing the performance in mix and mathing each block, rad, pump. It doesn't have to be the most/bestest expensive or highest performance block/rad/pump if the mix and match is like mixing curry powder in sambal belachan. rclxub.gif .. so read the guide in the sticky first when choosing your DIY set. Watercooling is an art.

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post Jul 21 2006, 09:07 AM

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zahri and the rest: here's a link of pump performance comparison done by coolmeister.

Pump Perfromance Info

It should give y'all a rough idea how's the performance might be and to guide us on choosing the right pump.

Tips: try to mix and match so that the min flow is 8LPM ( or 480 LPH)for optimum performance. Yeah Hmax is important for non restrictive guide in choosing pumps but here's already a complete set (block(s) + rad + pump) so flow rates determine the optimal performance in cooling. I'll explain more when time permits. sorry. sweat.gif
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post Jul 24 2006, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(zahri @ Jul 21 2006, 04:52 PM)
thanks for the link bro amok ....
In that statement, its best if the minimum flow is 8 LPM or 480 LPH for any watercooling system ?
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errrrr... yes, for optimum perfromance answer is yes.... for cukup makan performance must be in between 5LPM~7LPM.

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post Jul 25 2006, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Jul 24 2006, 12:44 PM)
one question here, tubings sizes do affect performance, but it also must pair with good pumps rite??? last time my current kit which consists apogee block, swiftech MCR220 radiator, Micro-Res Reservoir and nirox p2800 running at 3/8 tubings perform better than current 1/2 tubings... could it possible because of the pump??? plus i know the dual fan radiator is kinda flow restrictive but i think my current kit is 7c higher than ambient....
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that's fluid mechanics... smaller pass contibutes bigger pressure. like the jet impingement effect on Storm's G4.

your curent kit is 7C higher than ambient at load or idle?... if at load, it should be okay no worries... it's an apogee bear mind.

and as for the nirox.... errr, i've used it with a BIX2 before (in the pump shoot out) and seemed gives 3C higher from another budget pump with 50W load but at 3.1Hmax....(lay man terms, <2.0m Hmax pump is sux0r with dual fan rad)

ikan@ mind telling your gonna pair the blocks and rads with wat pump? and fan for the rad, which one? then oni can give verdict.

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Jul 25 2006, 02:33 PM)
it's 7c higher than ambient at idle, tht's worries me, possible of my setup loop... i used pump--->waterblock--->radiator--->reservoir... my tubings cant be long, bout my setup, i hang the radiator behind the casing...
rough pic of my setup since i currently didnt have camera and seeking for help...
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plus my current nirox pump gt clicking sounds sometimes, might bought another nirox and try... possible of pump problem too..??
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ermm.... change a higher Hmax pump perhaps rather than buying another nirox. icon_rolleyes.gif .. dun worry so much about the heat dumps if its 2 x 120mm rad.

satanhead@ you want what recomendation? well if you ask for an opinion then i'll give you mine:

Option 2, as the humongous pump will do good with the whitewater brows.gif rclxub.gif
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post Sep 5 2006, 10:52 PM

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bro and all, a pump is like an investment, do invest wisely, if thinking of a long term low risk portfolio, get the D5 full stop. For a short term high risk tenure, the ayam brand will do.... and -sigh- i haven't got the chance to fix my BI GT yet.. aiyaaaaaa...... demmit.
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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Sep 13 2006, 07:28 PM)
This setup currently in my list, hope can give some opinion. Thanks. notworthy.gif

Danger Den MAZE4 for A64 for socket AM2
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?...1&cat=20&page=1
Radiator Stealth GTS 240 Black Ice
Masterkleer General Purpose Clear PVC Tubing
Innovatek Eheim HPPS Plus 12V Water Pump w/ Tank-O-Matic Plug-on
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2140/ex-...html?tl=g30c107
Or
Reservoir Innovatek AGB-O-Matic
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2238/ex-...html?tl=g30c107
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Bro ikan, nice choice for pump and block thumbup.gif ... oni thing is, your rad is a bit overkill. just get the BIP or BIGT 120mm it enuf with that mix and match.
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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Sep 22 2006, 04:45 AM)
anyone recommend a waterbock which suitable for sli setup? i using 7600gt planning to watercool it...
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well, lich... currently there are quite a numbers of wblock for sli, but for me, i'll just get a pair of DD Maze4 Acetal low profile waterblock for the gpu and bga ramsinks for the ram... being a skint person that i am... it's one of the most efficient, value and economical way to watercooled an sli setup.
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Oct 20 2006, 12:03 PM)
Yeah tru ut I'm thinking of mounting it inside which would help make the loop much shorter. Anyway, any bulk currently running from US WC modshops? Thinking of changing the nylon barbs of my G4 to nickel plated brass types. Preferably EK's of high flow type or perfect seal type
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bwahahaha.a.. sarjan, we old timer still into watercooling meh?

neway, I'm through with resevoir, now using "T" line instead for all me watercooling rigs.

and bout those G4 barbs, I'm having the same thought to, but mebbe got issue regarding clearance in between those barbs with those fat mutha clearflexes.

O.T. good to see this thread is alive and kicking. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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Well if you add a bit more kerchingg (RM), you can get a decent starter kit from Metalzone...
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post Apr 16 2007, 12:17 PM

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Hi y'all... noobie/lazy ere. biggrin.gif

errr... anyone here using the GTX series radiator from HWlabs? wanna know performance wise with low cfm fan and high heads pump.
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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Apr 16 2007, 07:24 PM)
y go for GTX bro? everyone in xtremesystems saying that MCR-320 / 220 -QP is the next best thing after thermochill. for the price of GTX's, better buy Thermochill lah.
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errr.... i did a BIX2 for a couple of years and am looking forward for an upgraded version. The thermochill is a bit out of the moolah range... bro.

QUOTE(DaRkSyThE @ Apr 16 2007, 07:34 PM)
may i remind u that thermochill rads are somewhat rare in the market.
its easier to get the GTX compared to the thermochill.
the GTX is also cheaper
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ditto thumbup.gif

I couldn't find a decent review on google bout the GTX, thus wuz wondering if anyone in LYN is using it. (the single fan type aka 120)

O.T. DaRkSyThE@weh, sorry if it's a bit outdated, but congrats for getting a mod tag... brows.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif ...
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QUOTE(raymond8341 @ Apr 20 2007, 11:15 PM)
Hello,
Can anyone here recommend me what WC Setup should I buy for my system? Price Range is about RM 800~ RM 1000...
Currently My System Was :
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.67
Twin 2X 2048 6400 Corsair Memory
2 X Asus EN8800GTS SLI
Asus Striker Extreme Motherboard
ThermalTake 750WATT PSU
Cooler Master CM Stacker 830 Casing

Please give me some suggestions and advices about this as I'm new to OC World, thanks.
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errr... depends man, RM800~RM1,000 should get you a decent kit or DIY. Which one 're you inclined more OCed Proc or OCed SLI'?
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QUOTE(almostthere @ May 6 2007, 10:17 PM)
eh can speshul request or not? Don't think brass barbs from ACE Hardware look 133t enuff leh

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wud teh farrrgh...... lol...congrats sargeant, you've turned that storm into a chapalang "looks" waterblock ... rclxm9.gif lol

neway, whats the thread size for the storm?
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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ May 7 2007, 10:12 PM)
We want EK. biggrin.gif
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I'd second icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

this one 1/4" to 1/2"
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QUOTE(almostthere @ May 8 2007, 12:22 AM)
eh dun laa say capalang...say ghetto marrr
David dun tok so much....conpirm first how much then see if can siong cher or not. Really damn beh tahan liao
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fuiyoo... ghettoo meh. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif ya lor david faiti confirm liao.

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Jul 15 2007, 04:59 PM)
no time yet....summore lazy to bukak semua balik for now
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