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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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prophetjul
post Jun 14 2011, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 13 2011, 10:38 PM)
When the time comes, the authorities will be the one who will declare which Dinar standard to be used. Either 999.9 or 916. It doesn't change the value of anything because you still own the gold.Just that 999.9 dinar (24K) could be worth 1 Dinar & 916 (22K) would be worth 3/4 dinar. Hope that clears things up.

Also, Dinar may be easier to get here now we're starting to mint our own but on a global scale. Dinar is worth more than just the weight of the gold 4.25gm by itself because it is a valid currency that will be making a comeback in the years to come.

Whatever it is, just start saving gold and converting as much cash to gold as you can. The price of gold will keep going up until Israel becomes the next superpower replacing the US. Please have a look at the USD$ today.. it is preparing for its demise and paving the way for Israel to be the next superpower. They are the ones in control of the global financial institutions and they are the ones working to bring the gold and silver back as the monetary system just as the time when King Solomon ruled. That is their belief and that is what is happening now whether you like to acknowledge it or not. That is the reason why I got involved in the gold industry as well. save your wealth before it's too late. =P

Regardless of the price of gold now. It is still cheap when you look back 5-10 yrs from now. Just keep buying and cost average it.

Good luck =)
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Some points to be made.

You are assuming dinar will be the only currency in the world. Unless the world becomes Islamic, cannot see
this happening. Pure gold is already considered a currency in many places.
If USD as you said goes under, gold will certainly have its place.

Question is how much is a dinar compared with pure gold in a non Islamic enivironnment?
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post Jun 14 2011, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 13 2011, 10:38 PM)
Just to take it a step further, in case anyone's confused why there are Dinar 916 (22K) by PG & 999.9 (24K) by GCP. The dinar 999.9 (24K) was the standard used during the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). At the time of the ruling of the second Caliph Umar Al Khattab, he set the standard that 1 dinar would be 916 (22K). I agree Dinar is slightly more expensive than the usual gold bullion. However, that is the official currency for Islam dating 1400 yrs back. Fiat currency and paper currency will eventually crumble in the coming years and we will all be going back to the gold & silver monetary system.

When that happens, one might ask. I have a 999.9 dinar (24K) & another would say I have a 916 Dinar (22k). Where's the fairness in trading that. When the time comes, the authorities will be the one who will declare which Dinar standard to be used. Either 999.9 or 916. It doesn't change the value of anything because you still own the gold.Just that 999.9 dinar (24K) could be worth 1 Dinar & 916 (22K) would be worth 3/4 dinar. Hope that clears things up.

Also, Dinar may be easier to get here now we're starting to mint our own but on a global scale. Dinar is worth more than just the weight of the gold 4.25gm by itself because it is a valid currency that will be making a comeback in the years to come.

Whatever it is, just start saving gold and converting as much cash to gold as you can. The price of gold will keep going up until Israel becomes the next superpower replacing the US. Please have a look at the USD$ today.. it is preparing for its demise and paving the way for Israel to be the next superpower. They are the ones in control of the global financial institutions and they are the ones working to bring the gold and silver back as the monetary system just as the time when King Solomon ruled. That is their belief and that is what is happening now whether you like to acknowledge it or not. That is the reason why I got involved in the gold industry as well. save your wealth before it's too late. =P

Regardless of the price of gold now. It is still cheap when you look back 5-10 yrs from now. Just keep buying and cost average it.

Good luck =)
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aiyah, government will use all sort of excuse to make $ for themselves.
Back in 1930s, government buy silver from mines at very cheap rate and then sell it off to the public by minting US coin 90%. $1 coin is equal to 0.77 oz. At least 200 - 300% profit.

For dinar, the window of opportunity is very short 1 - 3 year, target market will be those rural people don;t know english and internet.
As time goes by those people who invest in dinar found out that dinar is damn expensive, they will make a switch.

investment grade is always 999 24K gold. 22K gold is for jewelery.

At the same time, many jump into the bandwagon, offering dinar. U see so many type of dinar until U lost track.
PG dinar, kelantan dinar, Perak Dinar, maybe a few more to follow or already there such as GCP, etc.
that just in one country Malaysia only.

then in Indonesia, got logam mulia dinar .99999. I thought dinar should be 22K.

http://putradinar.blogspot.com/2010/03/din...ogam-mulia.html

Then in pakistan and each country another 2-3 type of dinar.

Aiyah, so much headache to consumer, it becomes like a rojak dinar. Sorry to said that!

Example.
KFC Ah Moi, KFC Ahmad, KFC Madonna, KFC Cicak, KFC MakCik,
the universal word is KFC.

the word dinar cannot be regulated because too many parties got jurisdiction on it. This is what happen when it is too democratic.

OK, then the next thing. When U buy it, can you trace it to
a) who own the company.! List of directors! CITOS check on company. CCM check on company what is their capital in case it goes down the drain.?
b) Where is it located?
c) Who mint it? etc.
How many % of the buyer knows it?
You don;t have to do all these when you buy branded product like Maple. yet is more expensive then Maple at UOB.
Aiyah!!!!

Sure U 1 2 buy? hmm.gif
i rather stick to Maple, Nugget and PAMP or PG gold bar. brows.gif
cause only Canadian Mint can mint Maple, Perth Mint can mint Nugget, etc.. trace direct to source.

just my 2 cents.





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post Jun 14 2011, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 14 2011, 08:32 AM)
Some points to be made.

You are assuming dinar will be the only currency in the world.  Unless the world becomes Islamic, cannot see
this happening. Pure gold is already considered a currency in many places.
If USD as you said goes under, gold will certainly have its place.

Question is how much is a dinar compared with pure gold in a non Islamic enivironnment?
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Thx for both your responses (goldchan too). Sorry for the assumption made earlier. Obviously dinar & dirham will not be the only currency used in the world when the time comes but it would logically make sense that it will be one of the widely used ones because of the high Muslim population globally. Could be 20-30 yrs down the line or even more. Only God knows how that's goin to turn out. But dont see it happening anytime soon as we're broken down into different countries and regions. If ruling was brought back to the time of the Caliph, one ruler despite of regions and country than it's another story... We should not go into that hehe.

I guess we all agree that the thing right now is protect your wealth. Convert your cash into gold. That's the main message. Up to the individual if he/she wants it in gold bars, jewelries, dinars, bullion etc. That one is personal choice. Some ppl like gold bars coz it looks good and feels heavy. Some ppl buy dinar coz its the cheapest entry level because they cant afford gold bars or kijang emas or hard to obtain stock, some ppl buy jewelries coz they love to accessorize.

Whatever it is, personal choice. I agree Dinar is slightly more expensive than other options available. Personally I prefer gold bars but I do buy Dinars with the remaining balance coz Gold is still gold. Like Goldchan mentioned, so many ppl minting these days, stick to which ones we're comfy with.

Gold price dropping this week la. best right? How low you all think will go ah? My hands itchy already la.. Think possible to go under US1500 per ounce?
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post Jun 14 2011, 08:56 PM

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Is it advisable to invest in gold now?
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post Jun 14 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Jun 14 2011, 08:56 PM)
Is it advisable to invest in gold now?
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To counter that question, is it wise to continue keeping paper currency as your investment? As Tun Mahathir mentioned in his blog the paper used is the same as the ones we use in the toilet. shocking.gif

My advice is protect your wealth by converting your cash to gold. paper currency value goes down with time, but Gold is the opposite.

Hope that helps.

Good luck
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post Jun 15 2011, 04:24 AM

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where would be the best place to get our hands onto physical gold in malaysia? Local jewellery shop?

certainly not international website because of the spread and of course forex and some charges by banks. really a major set back.
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post Jun 15 2011, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 14 2011, 06:07 PM)
Thx for both your responses (goldchan too). Sorry for the assumption made earlier. Obviously dinar & dirham will not be the only currency used in the world when the time comes but it would logically make sense that it will be one of the widely used ones because of the high Muslim population globally. Could be 20-30 yrs down the line or even more. Only God knows how that's goin to turn out. But dont see it happening anytime soon as we're broken down into different countries and regions. If ruling was brought back to the time of the Caliph, one ruler despite of regions and country than it's another story... We should not go into that hehe.

I guess we all agree that the thing right now is protect your wealth. Convert your cash into gold. That's the main message. Up to the individual if he/she wants it in gold bars, jewelries, dinars, bullion etc. That one is personal choice. Some ppl like gold bars coz it looks good and feels heavy. Some ppl buy dinar coz its the cheapest entry level because they cant afford gold bars or kijang emas or hard to obtain stock, some ppl buy jewelries coz they love to accessorize.

Whatever it is, personal choice. I agree Dinar is slightly more expensive than other options available. Personally I prefer gold bars but I do buy Dinars with the remaining balance coz Gold is still gold. Like Goldchan mentioned, so many ppl minting these days, stick to which ones we're comfy with.

Gold price dropping this week la. best right? How low you all think will go ah? My hands itchy already la.. Think possible to go under US1500 per ounce?
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No problem0 mate! smile.gif

AS for affordability, you can buy gold fractionals such as 1/20, 1/10, 1/4,1/2 oz coins alto they are not
so easily accessible here.

Jewellery is NOT a good gold hedge.....the premiums alone will be very expensive


Added on June 15, 2011, 7:25 am
QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 14 2011, 10:16 PM)
As Tun Mahathir mentioned in his blog the paper used is the same as the ones we use in the toilet.   shocking.gif

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Did Maha say that?

No wonder he just lets GLCs fail and bail them out with EPF PAPER!
Meaning all those PAPER in our EPF is actually TOILET PAPER! cry.gif


Added on June 15, 2011, 7:28 am
QUOTE(JiJai @ Jun 15 2011, 04:24 AM)
where would be the best place to get our hands onto physical gold in malaysia? Local jewellery shop?

certainly not international website because of the spread and of course forex and some charges by banks. really a major set back.
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Jewellery shop will screw you BIG time.....i get mine form foriegn mints and they are cheaper even
with shipping! biggrin.gif

For eg months back i bought maples for Rm4200. Tomei was selling at Rm4750!

But from UOB....they are pretty fair in their prices

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jun 15 2011, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 15 2011, 07:23 AM)
No problem0 mate!    smile.gif

AS for affordability, you can buy gold fractionals such as 1/20, 1/10, 1/4,1/2 oz coins alto they are not
so easily accessible here.

Jewellery is NOT a good gold hedge.....the premiums alone will be very expensive


Added on June 15, 2011, 7:25 am
Did Maha say that?

No wonder he just lets GLCs fail and bail them out with EPF PAPER! 
Meaning all those PAPER in our EPF is actually TOILET PAPER!  cry.gif


Added on June 15, 2011, 7:28 am
Jewellery shop will screw you BIG time.....i get mine form foriegn mints and they are cheaper even
with shipping!  biggrin.gif

For eg months back i bought maples for Rm4200. Tomei was selling at Rm4750! 

But from UOB....they are pretty fair in their prices
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Yeah.. Jewellery shop costs more. dunno la... got workmanship cost etc sometimes.. Anyone know where to order cheap 1kg Silver bar ah? Pamp Suisse if got la. I know Public gold sells 1kg but any other place?
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Hey there people, what is the difference if i buy 1 gram of iar gold for rm200 and buy normal 1 gram of gold from jewelry shop for rm177.20. When i sell it back, will the iar gold be worth more since it has certificate, sealed and considered as 'virgin' gold? Or i should just buy the normal ones? Your help is much appreciated.
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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 15 2011, 02:41 PM)
Yeah.. Jewellery shop costs more. dunno la... got workmanship cost etc sometimes.. Anyone know where to order cheap 1kg Silver bar ah? Pamp Suisse if got la. I know Public gold sells 1kg but any other place?
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From I've seen, for 1kg silver bar, Pamp suisse prices are the cheapest in Malaysia,
unless you buy from the secondary market.

Please don't discount the potential of gold jewelry yet. Instead of buying from Poh Kong
or Tomei, try surveying the price in banks that has Ar Rahnu service.

You'll be surprise of the bargain that you can get. Just make sure you do your homework
first & buy only the gold content and not the cost of workmanship.

The way I see it, the more gold is passed around (in what ever form), the less the premium
you have to pay for it. Gold is gold. All you have to do next is create a market to sell it
back.



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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 15 2011, 02:41 PM)
Yeah.. Jewellery shop costs more. dunno la... got workmanship cost etc sometimes.. Anyone know where to order cheap 1kg Silver bar ah? Pamp Suisse if got la. I know Public gold sells 1kg but any other place?
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http://mysmartgold.gotdns.org/liverate/

gold cheaper than UOB, silver too if compare to sg $$

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What should I invest in? I am only 17 and on a tight budget. Plan on spending around RM300 odd a month on investment. Not more than RM400. Should I invest in gold or silver? Need some professional advice. icon_question.gif
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I think the lowest gold would go if it ever go that low would be 1480, but seeing how it rebounded twice, one more last time and if it clear 1530, then high chances gold price will never revisit 1520.
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QUOTE(quackpack @ Jun 15 2011, 11:17 PM)
I think the lowest gold would go if it ever go that low would be 1480, but seeing how it rebounded twice, one more last time and if it clear 1530, then high chances gold price will never revisit 1520.
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Yeah.. I noticed the rebound as well. I'll see how it goes tomorrow morning. Dont wanna miss the boat..
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Which branches of UOB can buy the gold bullions?
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jun 16 2011, 12:08 AM)
Which branches of UOB can buy the gold bullions?
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u can try uob main at jln raja laut..
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QUOTE(skng03 @ Jun 15 2011, 10:12 PM)
http://mysmartgold.gotdns.org/liverate/

gold cheaper than UOB, silver too if compare to sg $$
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Looks good deal there! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Jun 15 2011, 11:01 PM)
What should I invest in? I am only 17 and on a tight budget. Plan on spending around RM300 odd a month on investment. Not more than RM400. Should I invest in gold or silver? Need some professional advice. icon_question.gif
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Gold is better since its value hardly drop. Silver however i would never get involved since im into gold only. Maybe there are other people could help you there.
Gold in shop cost you 170+ pergram some cutthroat go at least 180+ per gram. If you just want to save it, either you open public bank gold account or you buy gold Kijang coin. But RM 400 will not be sufficent. at the moment gold maintain in market at 150+ per gram. Gold account saving need at least minimum 20g to start thats at least RM3k++.

RM150++ = 1 gram.


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QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Jun 16 2011, 08:14 AM)
Gold is better since its value hardly drop. Silver however i would never get involved since im into gold only. Maybe there are other people could help you there. 
Gold in shop cost you 170+ pergram some cutthroat go at least 180+ per gram. If you just want to save it, either you open public bank gold account or you buy gold Kijang coin. But RM 400 will not be sufficent. at the moment gold maintain in market at 150+ per gram. Gold account saving need at least minimum 20g to start thats at least RM3k++.   

RM150++ = 1 gram.
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Gold is to maintain a value storage in these testing times of world economy......

silver is well......speculative and highly volatile...high premiums....defo not for students
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 16 2011, 08:35 AM)
Gold is to maintain a value storage in these testing times of world economy......

silver is well......speculative and highly volatile...high premiums....defo not for students
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Agree with all the points except the last one 'defo not for students'
It should be 'defo not for those who don't know about silver'

The awareness of buying gold is relatively higher than silver.
I think when the gold price is too high, people will start rushing for silver.
I'm still reading up about silver and gold to see whether they should both
be in our portfolio or not







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