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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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echoesian
post May 17 2011, 05:13 PM

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Yesterday just bought some Bunga Raya gold bar from Poh Kong, today feel a bit regretted after seeing this thread. The price I paid was RM177 per gram which was "their market rate" yesterday but after seeing the rates from the Public Gold and some paper golds account offered by Banks are only RM140-150 per gram. Furthermore, their spread is 11% if trading solely with them... Why is their price is higher than the rest but still able to sell many of them??
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post May 17 2011, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ May 17 2011, 07:00 PM)
Lol....why not make any research first  sweat.gif  current market price is 171.37, you can get lower than that  smile.gif
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Which shop can get 171.37? I mean why the rate comparing to those paper gold is significantly higher? Is it because they included the workmanship??
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post May 17 2011, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ May 17 2011, 09:17 PM)
171.37 is rate at Monday 16/05/2011. The price is depends on the gold type and the seller. If you buy more than 100gram you can get lower price. But pay 177 is too high in my opinion. Nowdays got lots of gold seller, no need to go to famous gold shop because they will charge you kaw2 biggrin.gif
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Which are the cheaper and reputable jewelery shop that can trust?


Added on May 17, 2011, 9:31 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ May 17 2011, 09:19 PM)
Because it is a retail price recommended.

Some sort like that, if you want to view it like that, aka profit + workmanship + cost incurred.

You only can resell the gold at its real actual worth, aka roughly near the paper gold price.
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However I can sell those gold bar back to Poh Kong with their market rate - 11% which I think it's reasonable because if I sell non-Poh Kong golds to them, I'll only can get back market rate - 25%.

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post May 17 2011, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 17 2011, 10:28 PM)
-11% is still an hefty premium paid or spread paid, if solely from the view of investment perspective.

Gold price needs to surge 11%, just for you to breakeven.
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So meaning to say I have made a very big mistake sad.gif should have bought Kijang Emas instead sad.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post May 17 2011, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(PatEagle @ May 17 2011, 10:48 PM)
If no hurry to sell, just keep the gold. You'll probably get your capital back within a year.

If I'm not mistaken, Poh Kong minus between 8% to 11% depending on the purity of gold and one must produce Poh Kong's original receipt to qualify.

Nonetheless, it's better to sell the gold back to the original source of purchase or one will have to settle for 20-30% discount (depending on the purity of gold) if sold at other goldsmith shops.

Cheers!
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Hmm.... you sounded very sure that the gold price will increase to RM195 per gram end of this year? I really doubt so... but seriously I need the gold price to raise to RM195-RM200 just to break-even sad.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 17 2011, 11:18 PM)
Gold price can drop, instead of up 11%.
You never know.

From investment pov, you start of with 89 instead 100 you paid, disregard yield you profit or not, is something very big spread to start with.  smile.gif

20-30% is the real and actual worth of gold.
Is there any black and white documentation stated they will buy back at -8 to -11%?

When gold price is surging, there is no problem for any seller to repurchase back the gold sold.
What if the gold price become RM100, they still repurchase back from you at Rm177 - 11% = Rm157?
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The more I read from you sifu, the more I'm heartache now sad.gif should just bought 1 piece... now I do not have enough cash to buy Kijang Emas anymore...

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post Jun 1 2011, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(hurly @ Jun 1 2011, 02:36 PM)
I am just going to try asking a few questions. I hope I don't anger anyone as it is probably repeated countless of times but I need a bit more assurance as gold definitely not my thing.

The situation is, my mom wanted to invest in gold. I am a little bit sceptical as my mom was scammed previously by FOREX.

So, these are the questions.
1-the price of gold is at all time high. Will it still go higher?
2-Will there be a possibility that the drop in 2008 be occuring?
3-Is it a good time to enter the gold market now?

I am advising my mom to invest in the passbook type  though, not physical gold type. Thank you in advance.
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When you notice carefully, even there was a drop in price in 2008, the decrease is not significant though.


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post Jun 2 2011, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Jun 2 2011, 10:31 AM)
perhaps your networking is good thus U be able to start off early at 2002. as you may have some friends in investment circle.
I only knew about it in 2006, started in 2008. procastinated for 1.5 year.
I never get the chance to buy at RM2300+ /oz at UOB in 2006. Best I got is RM2800+ in 2008 when the price drop. After that no stock lor.

Well, you can use the technical as a guideline lah. RSI-14 weekly chart < 30 :- buy
but it seldom goes down to 30, thus maybe at RSI-14 around 50 you can buy some, more if it below 50, even more when it 40.
RSI-14 > 70: sell,  Stick to it no matter what happen to the price movement.
Just don;t take forever to make your commitment, price won;t wait for U. The days where low prices in gold and silver is long gone, you have to pay existing prices. It just how much lower it can go from now,  the way i see it.
You average it out over time U will be fine.


Added on June 2, 2011, 10:33 am

one should at least get one safe box lah, I do forsee there may be lack of safe box in the future. It's expensive to construct one, in the future oil price goes up, construction cost will be enormous, thus it will never be built at a reasonable price.
Just treat it as an insurance policy.
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Haha no matter how thick and heavy the safe is the thief will still can get it easily either stick the knife to ur neck and ask for password or pull the entire safe away using truck just like Fast 5 biggrin.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(aaronpang @ Jun 13 2011, 05:38 PM)
Kuala Lumpur Main
Address Level 2, Menara UOB,
Jalan Raja Laut,
50350 Kuala Lumpur

http://www1.uob.com.my/business/GMIM/GMIM_...ous_metals.html
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Kepong UOB branch got sell ?
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post Jun 16 2011, 12:08 AM

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Which branches of UOB can buy the gold bullions?
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post Jun 24 2011, 04:22 PM

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When is it expected to drop to 1450? I wanna accumulate somemore...
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Today at Maybank HQ wanted to buy kijang 1oz but ran out of stock then open GIA account but IC cannot read adui...
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post Jul 4 2011, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jul 4 2011, 05:26 PM)
How come Public Bank is cheaper than UOB (146) ?

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post Jul 6 2011, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(3think @ Jul 6 2011, 09:09 PM)
On a personal note, I realized that Kijang Emas has a premium over UOB's bullion coins. Like today, Kijang asking 4837 while UOB's Canadian Maples/Oz Nuggets are asking 4761. Come to think of it, Kijang will only probably known in the local market while the bullion in UOB's counter are more internationally recognized. Won't international bullion (eg. canadian maples, ozzie kangaroos, pamp suisse) have a better advantage over kijang in both value and recognition?

what do you guys think?
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UOB only carry Oz nuggets now all in 1oz only
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post Aug 3 2011, 11:39 AM

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I'm looking for $2000/oz
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post Aug 3 2011, 01:10 PM

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$1658/oz now!
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QUOTE(lee90 @ Aug 3 2011, 01:44 PM)
any1 know how to calculate oz and gram..
for example, if the price rise to 1800/oz, then how much is it for $/g
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1 troy ounce = 31.1 grams

$1800/oz = $57.88/g (~RM172/g)
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Aug 3 2011, 01:55 PM)
rclxms.gif thanks for your calculation !

nod.gif so it's time to get in more gold prepare for chinese new year angpau...  laugh.gif
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wahhh you give gold as angpow fro CNY??
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