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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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wongmunkeong
post Jun 5 2011, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(jeff_ckf @ Jun 5 2011, 05:13 PM)
Just don't understand why people can't do sales honestly.
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That may require a conscience + proving things statistically & numerically mar. Not many sales people have/can do both SIMULTANEOUSLY doh.gif
At least some dont use 2 log-ons to chat and make it sound as though "it's a sure thing!". Smarter & more conniving ones use 2 PCs, 1 on Streamyx + 1 Digi/another ISP to simultaneously, to "chat things up" in some other forums i've seen.

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post Jun 5 2011, 05:45 PM

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Well, the US currency will eventually demonetize as the US $ is currenctly in ICU.

You can see the state of Utah has already legalized gold and silver and a legitimate currency. Once the US currency falls. Israel will emerge as the next superpower replacing the US. China knows this, that's why they are stocking up on as much gold as money can buy.

Every Jew in the world knows that Gold & Silver is the only valid currency. Paper money is worthless. Also people need to understand that buying gold is not an investment but is to actually protect your wealth from being manipulated/inflation. Rm10K now and 5 yrs down the line is not the same.

I only wish I could withdraw my EPF and convert it all to gold.

My 2 cents though.
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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 5 2011, 05:45 PM)
Well, the US currency will eventually demonetize as the US $ is currenctly in ICU.

You can see the state of Utah has already legalized gold and silver and a legitimate currency. Once the US currency falls. Israel will emerge as the next superpower replacing the US. China knows this, that's why they are stocking up on as much gold as money can buy.

Every Jew in the world knows that Gold & Silver is the only valid currency. Paper money is worthless. Also people need to understand that buying gold is not an investment but is to actually protect your wealth from being manipulated/inflation. Rm10K now and 5 yrs down the line is not the same.

I only wish I could withdraw my EPF and convert it all to gold.

My 2 cents though.
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Agreed Bro, about China but it may have been taken out of context

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-go...r-right-reasons

The main thing is balance / several baskets (of Asset Categories) i think, perhaps i read it wrong
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But governments don't want to lose control of the printing press and don't want a gold standard either, said VRTrader.com's Leibovit. That is, "unless a plan is underway to peg gold to their currency at a substantially higher price, which would create a huge asset that would act as a counterbalance to their huge national debt," he said.

Still, it's possible that gold can return to a monetary role of backing up the value of currencies. "The implications for gold returning to a monetary role are tremendous and gold-price positive," said Phillips.

Really, "there is no alternative, but the question is when," said Leibovit. "Another financial shock could do it, causing distrust of any paper investment."

But Jon Nadler, a senior analyst at Kitco Bullion Dealers, points out that all of the world's above-ground gold amounts to around 0.6% of total global wealth, so even if gold were at $10,000 per ounce, the metal would only amount to 6% of total global wealth.

"That does not begin to make for a panacea for what ails the world," he said.

Even so, an important country such as China should continue to seek to diversify its massive holdings, and so should the average investor, he said.

Just don't diversify with the "disingenuous idea" that this is a "sign of [a] fuse being lit under gold," Nadler said. "It's just insurance being bought .... A little bit at a time."
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In addition, OF COURSE RM10K now isnt RM10K purchasing power in 5 years down the road. Inflation mar doh.gif .

Oops - missed this out - not just gold but China's chasing a truck load of commodities AND commodity producing companies (think STOCKs and mutual funds buying these stocks tongue.gif) too http://www.asiaone.com/Business/News/Story...503-276935.html

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post Jun 5 2011, 06:43 PM

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Yeah that's why. Anyway, hope that Malaysians start to keep gold. Kesian most of the public, they dont know what's goin on with the economy and still minum teh tarik only. =P

My friend bought a gold dinar coin the other day and he was shocked la. 4.25 grams of gold costs so much and the gold he got was so small.. like 10 sen coin only haha..

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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 5 2011, 05:45 PM)
Well, the US currency will eventually demonetize as the US $ is currenctly in ICU.

You can see the state of Utah has already legalized gold and silver and a legitimate currency. Once the US currency falls. Israel will emerge as the next superpower replacing the US. China knows this, that's why they are stocking up on as much gold as money can buy.

Every Jew in the world knows that Gold & Silver is the only valid currency. Paper money is worthless. Also people need to understand that buying gold is not an investment but is to actually protect your wealth from being manipulated/inflation. Rm10K now and 5 yrs down the line is not the same.

I only wish I could withdraw my EPF and convert it all to gold.

My 2 cents though.
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luckly I had my EPF withdrawn(I take pencen option), and all my 10 years of EPF money & some of my saving being invested on Gold in early May11. Few days back got a good deal(searching/studying for it in 6 months edi) to buy a land at my hometown and going to take some of the gold stock to be converted to property. smile.gif

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QUOTE(gmos @ Jun 6 2011, 12:52 PM)
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luckly I had my EPF withdrawn(I take pencen option), and all my 10 years of EPF money & some of my saving being invested on Gold in early May11. Few days back got a good deal(searching/studying for it in 6 months edi) to buy a land at my hometown and going to take some of the gold stock to be converted to property. smile.gif
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Waahh.. How did you do "pencen" option ah? sounds like a really good plan la. ANyone cna do or must have certain requirement?
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I guess those "pencen" option are made for govt. servant?? Any idea??
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pencen or VSS?
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post Jun 6 2011, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 6 2011, 03:28 PM)
Waahh.. How did you do "pencen" option ah? sounds like a really good plan la. ANyone cna do or must have certain requirement?
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every gov. servant got an option to take pencen or epf.
you can refer to epf for available option for the epf withdrawn.

QUOTE(sharilazri @ Jun 6 2011, 03:49 PM)
I guess those "pencen" option are made for govt. servant?? Any idea??
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yes u r right.

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post Jun 6 2011, 05:10 PM

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when is gold dropping la..I want to buy and stock up some... sad.gif
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QUOTE(pandaiswhite @ Jun 6 2011, 05:10 PM)
when is gold dropping la..I want to buy and stock up some... sad.gif
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The other option u can search for people in need of urgent money
and willing to sell their gold below market price..
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post Jun 6 2011, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(pandaiswhite @ Jun 6 2011, 05:10 PM)
when is gold dropping la..I want to buy and stock up some... sad.gif
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This week we're expected to see it go higher. I wanna buy more stock as well.right now it's US$1540 per oz.

If it goes down to US1500 also i think thats good already. But according to previous years pattern, there should be a low in June/July and once August comes it will go up so dont get left behind.

Make sure you check the gold price daily so you know when it is low yeah.
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post Jun 9 2011, 10:45 AM

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Wishful mathematics! thumbup.gif

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Case: The Mathematics of Gold
International US dollar debt: $4.4792 trillion (approximately 32% of total US debt of $14.32 trillion)

Portion of international US dollar debt held by China: $1.1449 trillion

90% of total US international debt less portion held by China = 0.90 * ($4.4792 trillion – $1.1449 trillion) = $3.00087 trillion (A)

50% of international US dollar debt held by China = 0.50 * $1.1449 trillion = $0.57245 trillion (B)

Total foreign currency reserves held by People’s Bank of China (Central Bank): $3.045 trillion

Therefore, A + B = $3.57332 trillion ©

Total US holdings of gold = 8,133.5 tonnes = 8,133.5 * 35,273.9619 = 286.900770 million ounces (D)

Therefore, C/D = $12,454.8986 per ounce ~ $12,455 per ounce

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 9 2011, 10:45 AM)
Wishful mathematics!  thumbup.gif
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This mathematics has nothing to show. smile.gif

You do not pay debt by gold.
Debt is paid by printed money. whistling.gif
Since when debt is repaid by gold? whistling.gif
Never before, even on great depression, global financial crisis,

It is not the like debt must be repaid in lump sum, nor must be repaid now, or soon.

Debt remains debt at least until I no exist. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 9 2011, 11:06 AM)
This mathematics has nothing to show.  smile.gif

You do not pay debt by gold.
Debt is paid by printed money.  whistling.gif
Since when debt is repaid by gold?  whistling.gif
Never before, even on great depression, global financial crisis,

It is not the like debt must be repaid in lump sum, nor must be repaid now, or soon.

Debt remains debt at least until I no exist.  whistling.gif
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See the word "Wishful" ? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dinodrumz @ Jun 6 2011, 05:40 PM)
This week we're expected to see it go higher. I wanna  buy more stock as well.right now it's US$1540 per oz.

If it goes down to US1500 also i think thats good already. But according to previous years pattern, there should be a low in June/July and once August comes it will go up so dont get left behind.

Make sure you check the gold price daily so you know when it is low yeah.
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Yup, it prices just naik like crazy, i'm monitoring the prices daily now.

Good time to buy actually between Jan 11 - March 11, now not good.

Hopefully your prediction gold price low on June 11 -> August is good and right.

p/s : Now converting part of my children savings into Gold.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 9 2011, 10:45 AM)
Wishful mathematics!  thumbup.gif
Case: The Mathematics of Gold
International US dollar debt: $4.4792 trillion (approximately 32% of total US debt of $14.32 trillion)

Portion of international US dollar debt held by China: $1.1449 trillion

90% of total US international debt less portion held by China = 0.90 * ($4.4792 trillion – $1.1449 trillion) = $3.00087 trillion (A)

50% of international US dollar debt held by China = 0.50 * $1.1449 trillion = $0.57245 trillion (B)

Total foreign currency reserves held by People’s Bank of China (Central Bank): $3.045 trillion

Therefore, A + B = $3.57332 trillion ©

Total US holdings of gold = 8,133.5 tonnes = 8,133.5 * 35,273.9619 = 286.900770 million ounces (D)

Therefore, C/D = $12,454.8986 per ounce ~ $12,455 per ounce

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For all the maths shown in the web, believe 25% or 50% only lah. Cannot believe 100%.


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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Jun 10 2011, 10:48 AM)
For all the maths shown in the web, believe 25% or 50% only lah. Cannot believe 100%.
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Hi Gchan

For info..this wishful maths was developed by my gold sifu Jim Sinclair.
He was the one who called gold high in 1980 at $880 per oz... biggrin.gif
He called gold bottom in 2001
He was also the one to predict the crap that U.S is going through in 2002

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So i hope he is right again this time! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 10 2011, 11:16 AM)
Hi Gchan

For info..this wishful maths was developed by my gold sifu Jim Sinclair.
He was the one who called gold high in 1980 at $880 per oz...    biggrin.gif
He called gold bottom in 2001
He was also the one to predict the crap that U.S is going through in 2002

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So i hope he is right again this time!    thumbup.gif
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problem is there is big variation in the number shown by various authors.
Some said USD1650, some said USD12,500.
similar with silver
Some said USD135, some said USD350.

Ignore the lowest and highest, and take the average of the rest of the author.


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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Jun 10 2011, 11:27 AM)
problem is there is big variation in the number shown by various authors.
Some said USD1650, some said USD12,500.
similar with silver
Some said USD135, some said USD350.

Ignore the lowest and highest, and take the average of the rest of the author.
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Thats why its "WISHFUL" tongue.gif

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