Hi All,

I'm thinking of installing gigabit wired network in my home. This would consist of a switch and cat6 cables running into each room in a 2.5 storey house (5 rooms to be exact). Each room will have an ethernet wall plate each. I understand that this will involve hacking into the wall to lay and hide the cables. If anyone has previous experience either DIY or using contractor for this, hope you can share your experience and how much it cost. If you provide this service, please let know and we can discuss further.

Now I have considered other options like wireless N and homeplugs but I want reliability and speed (I mean some serious speed ). If you know of another way to get reliable connection and speed, do let me know as well..

Thank you all..



This post has been edited by wz3k: Feb 23 2011, 05:04 PM

I asked my lighting guys to do it when laid wires for lighting for total 8 points (5 cables from ground floor to first floor, and another 3 for ground floor), if my memory serve me well, total cost is around RM400.

If your house is still under renovation, better ask the lighting guys to do it when they hack the wall, otherwise, to re-conceal the cables is troublesome and may costly.

wahh.. that's quite affordable.. my house will get CF soon.. so now surveying and calculating what I can afford to do.. thanks for the info.. will definitely check with electrician later to bundle with the other wiring job that is needed..

another question, when they install the network cable, did they put yours in PVC piping or something? thanks

You can ask them to put cable in the PVC pipe, just remember not to lay cable parallel with the electricity wires.

BTW, the RM 400 charge is only for laying cable and hacking, not including cable, wall plate, connector and cable termination.

Usually you'll need to get your own cables (anyway recommended, cuz the contractor won't know what is your requirement). They can probably supply the wall plate.

I also got my contractor to lay CAT6 cables @ my new hse,
total 5 points (rj45 next to rj11, then go opposite wall (TV bench), then from TV bech got 3 rj45 go down all the way to basement... i use it to convert HDMI instead)...
total cost ... 1 lump sum they didn't gimme breakdown

If you want it cheap ... better get your own cable, faceplate, keystone... It's quite hard to get cat6 keystone but I manage to find 1 guy in garagesales sellin it ... the rest all selling faceplate + cat5e keystone. and 4 ports faceplate is VERY hard to get .. i scout whole klang valley kenot find, end up earlier this week I got one of my fren bought it from JB and now courier to me. sigh.

and I also bought cable stripper & punch down tool also... and pinjam network tester from my fren

btw, I've still got some 2 ports faceplate (brand dintek) and about 150-200m (dintek jugak) of cat6 cable ... leave me a pm if you're interested on these, thanks.

I'm working out the cost estimate in the attached below. What do you think guys? About there?


LickGuy, I'll PM you about your leftover cable.. if can sell for cheap maybe I'll get it..

Where is the best place to get these? Jalan Pasar? Where is the best place to put the modem...is it always next to TV?

Jojozep, the price estimates above is based on my findings at lowyat and lowyat.net.. Sri Computers (Lowyat Store) has most of the items.. some items in there i estimate only..

I couldn't find Cat6 cable per box selling at lowyat though.. only lowyat.net. I'll be checking out jalan pasar later to see if it's available there.. I'm pretty sure they have it..

for me, i'm thinking the modem and switch I'll put on top of a rack somewhere... together with a media server or NAS..

do any of you guys have like a little server room at home?

wz3k:
okie dokie, i'll need to go home and check how many feet cable i left,
then we'll try to achieve win-win situation
(u buy cheaper, i rugi not so teruk )

i got cable stripper + punch down tools around rm25-30 @ pasar road,
but I didn't get the crimper tho .. currently I still got few pcs pre-crimped cat6
and you can get AMP RJ11 + RJ45 combo faceplate @ rm15 from pasar road too,
but the rj45 come w/ cat5e keystone not cat6 ...
for cat6 keystone i got it around 20/pcs ... later i pm u the forumer name here ...
dun wan other ppl said i selling ad

Remember, CAT6 system required end to end compliant, which means not only your cable, but also RJ45 plug, keystone must also complaint with CAT6 standard.

I still have >60 cat6 RJ45 plug bought from monoprice last time. if you want, I can sell it to you. BTW, you can try to order keystone from www.monoprice.com, they do ship to Malaysia.

hi guys...anyone can recommend a repair guy.
i have all wall plate working except in one room.

I need him to check and change it if rosak.
so far i ask around no one seems to undertsand!!

thanks

there's a store in Lowyat level 3 that's selling networking cables and accessories, they sell premade cables and cables by the box

ADJ, do you remember the store name in lowyat that sells cable per box?

LIckguy,


I am renovating at the moment, whole house a mess..but good time to lay the cat6 cables?

can you tell me what are the steps to make it internet ready, I would like do have networked cable the major rooms.
also who is your contractor and approx what cost for the hacking?

my house now..




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To lay Cat5e or Cat6 cable, firstly you must decide where are you going to locate the incoming broadband line. From here, you will split all the individual access points to your living, your room, kitchen or even toilets per se.. Talk to the contractor see if he can lay it free for you since they are already hacking to conceal the electricity wires.. for my case it was a FOC case laying 2 cables to living and 2 to the masterbed room, all coming from the living hall upstairs where I will place my router etc. in.

cannot really remember, but its not too far from All IT. In fact, since you are buying per box, nearly all stores should sell it.

for unifi user and user to be, tm normally belakang mali...

so if you are not running all cables to the room at the back, remember to run 2 cables from the back room to the location where all cables meet. the extra cable is for unifi modem to the router.

btw, mine was done by my wiring guy for free.

KS NETWORK Lowyat 3rd Floor. Seller's name ADAM. If you have budget go for AMP CAT6, blue color cable. Dont buy AMP RM200++ in a box, its imitation.
DINTEK also good cable cheaper a bit than AMP.

anyone has any experience with schneider clipsal keystone jacks? the wiring diagram is very confusing!

the wiring diagram in the manual provided does not match the markings on the actual jack itself

CAT 6 point - rm180

No really clear what you meant. Please explain.

TM will lay the fiberOpt cable, so that cable should all the way to the place you expect to put...than what need?
* my contractor said the fiberopt cable can't be buy outside or better get it from UNIFI Contrator to prevent any issues raise by TM...not I not sure how should I do next...

Some people have network servers and other network devices, so the UNIFI fiber cable should go to the network hub and then use UTP cables to distribute to each network points. UNIFI fiber cable is not designed to directly connect to all network points.

has anyone done a home entertainment system that can control the whole house entertainment from wall panels? i've seen some on exhibition during homedec, but cost like 50-100k!!!!

if we wire up the house, i wonder if there's any software we can DIY with?

usually how long can CAT cables run for before signal degradation?

Thanks for the explaination. Now I clear.

I have build a computer room at the back..now I think it is not the BEST location for the future.

The best location for the hub(modem,router,server,computer equipment) should be in the living room where the TV is.

In future, all Internet TV , the cables and modem are easy next to each other. Am I correct to assume this..your comments please..sifus..

Imaging your living room wiill be like Computer Room

My initial plan is similar like you (everything in front), but now have change to only the internet TV equipment with be at living room (so that remote control could work).

fiber to home or in fact any wired broadband in MY will comes in from the tel pole...and it usually routes thru your house ceiling and into the wall inside your house...

If you intend to install Unifi or something...best is to ensure a route(can use a pvc pipe open up in the ceiling) is ready(concealed) for the fiber to get into your house somewhere upstairs ... From there...prepare a few Lan cables coming all the way down to your TV cabinet...that would look better.

Yes!

means if i lay the cat6 cable in the same pvc pipe as the electricity cable, its a big nono?

Data and electric cant on same pipe, it will disturb the data signal.

how far apart should it be to avoid disturbance ?

On different PVC will do...

I wonder if DIY is easy for installing network cable?? hmm

http://www.handymanhowto.com/2009/01/19/ho...a-home-network/

it has been a while since i started this thread... just an update. i got the keys for my house and now starting renovation plans. I just purchased the following item from Lowyat earlier today:

1. Crimp Tool: RM23
2. Network Tester Tool: RM15
3. Battery for Network Tester Tool: RM9.90
4. Cat6 Keystones: RM14 x 7
5. Cat6 RJ45 Plug: RM55 (50 pieces)

Wanted to buy the box of Cat6 cable just now but too heavy and I parked at Berjaya Times Square.. saw the price was RM530 or RM420.. quite a big difference.. the guy said more expensive better quality.. wanted to get the wallplate as well but only got one design and doesnt look as nice..

I'll try to get it tomorrow or later because I want to see if Jalan Pasar has nicer wallplate or not.. after i get the cable then need to start practicing on wiring..

bro eclipse-space, I will share later if this is easy or hard..

sure thanks! are you going to put it thru pvc pipes as well?

you should start a topic to "showcase" your renovation as well

Where did you get all these items from? Which shop in LowYat?

I'm planning to install Cat6 at my home too.

Thanks!

less than 100m

according to specification ethernet cable signal will start degrade at abt 100m

best is to keep a single pull to less than 90 meters for best signal the shorter the better

but also depends on quality of the cable... but never go more than 100m

also rmbr cat6 cable is stiffer than cat5, so when the "contractors" pulling the cable through the conduit make sure it doesn't overly bend the cables like how the garden hose bent until the water flow kena block, cause u will "hurt/luka" the cable

since already pulling the lan cable.. always rmbr to pull extra for back up...

Cat 6 in the market i see need very big angle of bending. It can go with 90deg too but the installer need to be aware cause once over bend the cable are worse perform than a Cat5e. What i mean over bend is like when install try to push the cable into the conduit before they may bend few round here and there and that will damage the Cat 6.

I know few professional cabler who tell they don't recycle cat 6, but Cat 5e can be recycle. What it mean if it wrongly lay they pull out the Cat 6 cable and throw away, unlike Cat 5e, it can pull out and use in shorter route.

Use good terminator for all LAN cable, be it Cat 5e or Cat 6. If can, use AMP.

This post has been edited by weikee: Jun 27 2011, 10:56 AM

the following is where i got the items from:

1. Crimp Tool: RM23 (Sri Computers)
2. Network Tester Tool: RM15 (Sri Computers)
3. Battery for Network Tester Tool: RM9.90 (Guardian)
4. Cat6 Keystones: RM14 x 7 (Viewnet - next to All IT Hypermarket)
5. Cat6 RJ45 Plug: RM55 (50 pieces) (Viewnet - next to All IT Hypermarket)

weikee - you seem to know a lot.

are these good? thinking of the FTP cat5e

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1386516&hl=

Network, Infrastructure are my forte.

I will be using this brand too "1101-03003" with conduit, because my good friend who use this for many installation sell it at cost price to me. Is good if you don't use > 100M, since he say got problem he will help me to do the cabling again FOC so I take his word

I'll use this LAN cable for my CCTV, and also Network.

Why you need FTP cable? Your house got lot of EMI noise? if not, just get UTP + Conduit enough la.

This post has been edited by weikee: Jun 28 2011, 12:11 AM

thanks for the advise

What cctv system are you using? Self installation?

No specific system, is mix and match. Mostly for bank commercial use

I put in both Coax RG-59, and LAN cable so i can switch to LAN camera or conventional camera depend what system i get.

just got my box of Cat 6 cables yesterday. started my practice making cables.. failed first 2 attempts and had to recut and rewire. each strand of wire is much stronger than the cat 5 type so not as easy to manage.. however, after watching some youtube videos, found a lot of good tips..

DINTEK Cat 6 Cable - RM420 (Viewnet HUB - Lowyat)


Best Youtube instruction for Cat 6 cable i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8Di4HdyZM

Happy Cabling.. Take lots of practice to clamp good termination. If you install on face plate you don't need to clamp, you need to push it in. Just like how telekom terminate in junction box.

thanks weikee, I think i almost got it right for the clamp... the keystone have not yet tried..

Just got my keys to my apartment. Going to be doing electrical wiring and installing cat6.. any place to get cat6 at reasonable price? i think my electrical guy doesn't know how to install network cable.. just going to get him to pull the cable in the wall den do my own termination.

Any where to buy cat6 and termination tools at reasonable price?

raist86, the prices that I got is the cheapest already I think..refer to the places where i bought the items.. the punch down tool you can get a good one at jalan pasar for RM30..

Is it possible to lay the cable along with the electrical wire? Or share the conduit together? If not, how far should the cable lay from the electrical wire? Incase the cable have to lay along with the eletrical wire route.

Not advice for network and cctv. If you don't notice it now, later sure have problem. Most will separate by 1 feet. I separate by about 2 feet.

Mine is side by side, but separate with PVC conduit, not sure OK or not.

After doing some research I found out that the technology of network now don't need anymore layout the LAN cable. Wireless or wired. It save some cost.

I think I exclude this network installation in my renovation list.

ozak, not sure what u mean by "dont need anymore layout the lan cable". Can u share further? Thanks

Only time will tell. Use shield cable if possible.

Sorry, I mean don't need to instal the network cable. There is already gigabit router in the market that fast enough to transfer wired or wireless. Specially for media. For wireless speed can go 300Mbps using 5ghz. While wired, you can use homeplug to link. All this cost below rm1k.

Ah, I see.. did you read about the reliability of Wireless N and Homeplugs and the actual speed they can deliver? but then again, everyone has different needs and preference.. I still prefer cabling it up..

I'm really confused whether to use cat5e or cat6!

Yes, this is correct if you don't have many connection maybe good for 2 to 4 equipments if you want to achieve high speed. Wireless and Ethernet over Power/socket work in sharing a single band. The more equipments in wireless or Power plug the slower it will get.

It's not always guaranteed that you'll have the max wireless speed, and is all depend on the strength of signal.

The more equipments / computers using the network increases, the data transfer rate to each will be reduce.

If you plan to run cctv over IP, IPTV, Wireless, surfing and sharing to many device than you need to get more AP transmitter for better stability.

I selected Cat6 to future proof the network... but looking at the prices of items I sometime wonder if it is worth it.. however, thinking that I'm doing this once off and don't want to rewire for future, I think Cat6 is safest.. only difference by a few hundreds right.. imagine if you find out in the future that you need rewiring because cat5e is no longer sufficient.. that's going to cost a whole lot more..

Very true. Is the crimping as easy? And also, how about the 90 degree thing?

Crimping requires a few trials for me in the beginning. But now i get it right the first time and within cat 6 specs - under half inch of untwisted. The cable tester i got only test for continuity but does not test the RF. Then again, im not sure if RF tester is cheap.

Btw, what's the 90 degree?

To really test Cat6 and LAN cable you need a sophisticate device to test Attenuation, noise level, and cross talk. For home use, if the interface did not show any crc lost or packet lost is already ok.

Think what he mean on the 90 deg things is bending problem for cat6, which is not going to show anything problem if is running on 100Mbps. Only using test equipment can show the problem.

My requirement is very minimum. My home have 2 person only. I think sufficient kua.

At the moment I m using N basic router which network to nas, media player, laptop and wireless. I able to stream from nas to media while the nas is uploading/downloading. And wifi to laptop too at the sametime. So I judge from here, it more than enough to run if I upgrade to more advance router.

The latest dual band router like linksys e series, dlink or belkin is tacker for this high wifi traffic. And if wifi is consent, you can plug a homeplug to use your existing power cable as LAN. That can run at the speed of 200Mbps.

But my bottleneck is always the ISP 2Mbps not the home network.

This is the my total price after adding up all the things i want to get from Monoprice.



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USD 289.44 include shipping and handling. if Worldwide express saver only USD 304.35. 3-5 days shipping. Is it cheaper than to buy from here?

Keystones i see here are very ex.. RM 15 for each... 8 pcs adi quite abit of money. Cat 6 also quite ex @ circa RM 500+ per box.





This post has been edited by raist86: Jul 4 2011, 10:37 AM

I suggest you buy here in Malaysia. You risk getting your equipments tax by custom, which can be anything from 10 to 30%.

I understand from the courier company, anything list as Network need AP.

My last try sending back a Router back from AU for my company, I need a bloody AP, or ask an agent / runner to do it. End up, i return the shipment to AU, send to HK. Is also MUCH Cheaper.

highly doubt i need ap for the said items above as they are considered cables and accessories only. not network equipment.

seems cheaper to get it in malaysia if you have the right contacts or

contractor doing structured cabling... for IT companies...

Custom tax cable for 40%. on top of that if your total value is over rm500, you will kena tax too.

hmm.. the tax is the only issue that i have.
other than that their keystones and wall plugs are cheap, plus they have the type that i want..

Jalan pasar can get all these things arr? at a good price?

Cable required AP or not, i am not sure. But cable i am very very sure need tax. Because my company practice central purchase of some IT equipments. Most of the IT equipments are tax free, but sometime when they put the Power cord cable in the AWB, i get tax 30%, which is not much about few ringgit only, but is the hassle.

For your case, I suggest you add in the 30% for your budget calculation.

Maybe try visit pasar road, you get many good vendor selling reasonable price cable. If you want convenient, try Malaysia RS website, which is not very cheap but get lots of selection. http://malaysia.rs-online.com

OMG.. RS-online pricing for cabling is crazy... RM1,350 for 305 meters of cat 6.. @.@

When you use important keystone jacket / faceplate not sure you have issue to mount into Malaysia wall (not sure what you call this, the black box mount in the wall)

Simtone, or clipsal sell faceplate with RJ45 socket, if you need only few better get local.

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Added on July 4, 2011, 12:00 pmSome are good brand.

Much better one are Tyco-AMP.

This post has been edited by weikee: Jul 4 2011, 12:00 PM

so far my current totals are as follows.. i still need another 3 cat6 keystone which Viewnet is out of stock at the moment.. there is AMP version but that cost RM34 vs Dintek RM14..



This post has been edited by wz3k: Jul 4 2011, 01:28 PM

AMP is good, and if not mistaken Made in Malaysia. Dintek i think made in China / Taiwan.

Actually the one I checked at the product label in Viewnet says AMP made in US.. I guess that's why expensive. Dintek is made in Taiwan..

Where is Jalan pasar? Heard the name a few times here. Prices cheap vs lowyat?

Pasar Road, near Pudu market. Is where lots of electronic shop, similar to Sim Lim Plaza (not Sim Lim Square) in Singapore.

thanks for the clarification.. looks like I need to get a Gigabit switch now to test the cable eh..

This post has been edited by wz3k: Jul 4 2011, 09:25 PM

Anyone heard of Siemon network products? got a quote from a known contact. Former company used to purchase alot of network cables from him.

Prices as follow (All Siemon Brand):
Cat6 Stranded (CM-Rated) 305m - RM 500
Cat6 punch down keystone - RM 19
Wall plate 1 port - RM 4
Wall plate 2 port - RM 4
Wall plate 4 port - RM 6

Electrical guy going to start hacking the wall of my apartment tomorrow to do the power points.. i still haven't buy the network stuff yet.. @.@

This post has been edited by raist86: Jul 19 2011, 09:47 PM

Original Siemon so cheap meh?

gave me dealer price as my old company used to buy alot cables from him.
If not wrong, Cat6 retail Siemon is around 900+

Anyone want to buy my left over cables once i'm done with laying? i think i'll be left with at least 200 meters of cable as i'm only using a small amount.. cut down my cat6 points to just 4 lines from initial 8.

Already have 12 points in my house

How much u plan to sell?

sell per meter lo if small qty.

how much u want?

GenerAlly what's the incremental price difference between cat 6 and 5e cables?

depending on brand. Siemon cat5e price is around 200+.. cat6 500.. this is the price i get from my supplier.

This post has been edited by raist86: Jul 19 2011, 09:47 PM

I'm in the middle of planning for hosue renovation in Selangor.
Any good contractor recommendation for:-
1. Gigabit Network Installation
2. Additinal electrical plug point installation
3. Streamyx / UniFi compatible readiness
4. Astro Cabling readiness
5. Alarm & CCTV readiness

I've seeing many house with patch work after hosue is renovate. I'm new in this area, would need some good recommendation in workmanship and knowledge wise.

Thankyou.

anyone know where to buy fibre cable as per unifi contractor use?

Think they are using single mode fiber, but type and brand i am not sure. I only lay a empty conduit straight from my rear laundry area to my server room

Does it far and straight line?

Yes straight and 15' conceal.

it's not advisable to lay your own fibre as there'll be a chance that TM ppl will not accept it. It's free anyway from them so let them do it. Just lay the conduit so that they can thread it in den ok di.

hello, got a question to ask! When I did my own patch panel, and run it thru the cable tester, the light flows from 1 to 8 but somehow miss the G. Does that mean the cable is not gigabit?

I'm using Cat6 cable.

You need to check your cable tester manual.