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post Jul 3 2011, 09:34 PM

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I selected Cat6 to future proof the network... but looking at the prices of items I sometime wonder if it is worth it.. however, thinking that I'm doing this once off and don't want to rewire for future, I think Cat6 is safest.. only difference by a few hundreds right.. imagine if you find out in the future that you need rewiring because cat5e is no longer sufficient.. that's going to cost a whole lot more..

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I'm really confused whether to use cat5e or cat6!
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post Jul 3 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Jul 3 2011, 09:34 PM)
I selected Cat6 to future proof the network... but looking at the prices of items I sometime wonder if it is worth it.. however, thinking that I'm doing this once off and don't want to rewire for future, I think Cat6 is safest.. only difference by a few hundreds right.. imagine if you find out in the future that you need rewiring because cat5e is no longer sufficient.. that's going to cost a whole lot more..
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Very true. Is the crimping as easy? And also, how about the 90 degree thing?
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post Jul 3 2011, 11:03 PM

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Crimping requires a few trials for me in the beginning. But now i get it right the first time and within cat 6 specs - under half inch of untwisted. The cable tester i got only test for continuity but does not test the RF. Then again, im not sure if RF tester is cheap.

Btw, what's the 90 degree?
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post Jul 3 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Jul 3 2011, 11:03 PM)
Crimping requires a few trials for me in the beginning. But now i get it right the first time and within cat 6 specs - under half inch of untwisted. The cable tester i got only test for continuity but does not test the RF. Then again, im not sure if RF tester is cheap.

Btw, what's the 90 degree?
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To really test Cat6 and LAN cable you need a sophisticate device to test Attenuation, noise level, and cross talk. For home use, if the interface did not show any crc lost or packet lost is already ok.

Think what he mean on the 90 deg things is bending problem for cat6, which is not going to show anything problem if is running on 100Mbps. Only using test equipment can show the problem.


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post Jul 4 2011, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 3 2011, 08:06 PM)
Yes, this is correct if you don't have many connection maybe good for 2 to 4 equipments if you want to achieve high speed. Wireless and Ethernet over Power/socket work in sharing a single band. The more equipments in wireless or Power plug the slower it will get.

It's not always guaranteed that you'll have the max wireless speed, and is all depend on the strength of signal.

The more equipments / computers using the network increases, the data transfer rate to each will be reduce.

If you plan to run cctv over IP, IPTV, Wireless, surfing and sharing to many device than you need to get more AP transmitter for better stability.
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My requirement is very minimum. My home have 2 person only. I think sufficient kua. hmm.gif

At the moment I m using N basic router which network to nas, media player, laptop and wireless. I able to stream from nas to media while the nas is uploading/downloading. And wifi to laptop too at the sametime. So I judge from here, it more than enough to run if I upgrade to more advance router.

The latest dual band router like linksys e series, dlink or belkin is tacker for this high wifi traffic. And if wifi is consent, you can plug a homeplug to use your existing power cable as LAN. That can run at the speed of 200Mbps.

But my bottleneck is always the ISP 2Mbps not the home network. sad.gif
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post Jul 4 2011, 10:21 AM

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This is the my total price after adding up all the things i want to get from Monoprice.

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USD 289.44 include shipping and handling. if Worldwide express saver only USD 304.35. 3-5 days shipping. Is it cheaper than to buy from here?

Keystones i see here are very ex.. RM 15 for each... 8 pcs adi quite abit of money. Cat 6 also quite ex @ circa RM 500+ per box.





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post Jul 4 2011, 10:49 AM

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I suggest you buy here in Malaysia. You risk getting your equipments tax by custom, which can be anything from 10 to 30%.

I understand from the courier company, anything list as Network need AP.

My last try sending back a Router back from AU for my company, I need a bloody AP, or ask an agent / runner to do it. End up, i return the shipment to AU, send to HK. Is also MUCH Cheaper.
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highly doubt i need ap for the said items above as they are considered cables and accessories only. not network equipment.
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seems cheaper to get it in malaysia if you have the right contacts or

contractor doing structured cabling... for IT companies...
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Jul 4 2011, 11:04 AM)
highly doubt i need ap for the said items above as they are considered cables and accessories only. not network equipment.
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Custom tax cable for 40%. sweat.gif on top of that if your total value is over rm500, you will kena tax too.
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:33 AM

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hmm.. the tax is the only issue that i have.
other than that their keystones and wall plugs are cheap, plus they have the type that i want..

Jalan pasar can get all these things arr? at a good price?
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Jul 4 2011, 11:04 AM)
highly doubt i need ap for the said items above as they are considered cables and accessories only. not network equipment.
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Cable required AP or not, i am not sure. But cable i am very very sure need tax. Because my company practice central purchase of some IT equipments. Most of the IT equipments are tax free, but sometime when they put the Power cord cable in the AWB, i get tax 30%, which is not much about few ringgit only, but is the hassle.

For your case, I suggest you add in the 30% for your budget calculation.

Maybe try visit pasar road, you get many good vendor selling reasonable price cable. If you want convenient, try Malaysia RS website, which is not very cheap but get lots of selection. http://malaysia.rs-online.com
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:48 AM

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OMG.. RS-online pricing for cabling is crazy... RM1,350 for 305 meters of cat 6.. @.@
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:59 AM

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When you use important keystone jacket / faceplate not sure you have issue to mount into Malaysia wall (not sure what you call this, the black box mount in the wall)

Simtone, or clipsal sell faceplate with RJ45 socket, if you need only few better get local.


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QUOTE(raist86 @ Jul 4 2011, 11:48 AM)
OMG.. RS-online pricing for cabling is crazy... RM1,350 for 305 meters of cat 6.. @.@
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Some are good brand.

Much better one are Tyco-AMP.

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post Jul 4 2011, 01:24 PM

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so far my current totals are as follows.. i still need another 3 cat6 keystone which Viewnet is out of stock at the moment.. there is AMP version but that cost RM34 vs Dintek RM14..

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Jul 4 2011, 01:24 PM)
so far my current totals are as follows.. i still need another 3 cat6 keystone which Viewnet is out of stock at the moment.. there is AMP version but that cost RM34 vs Dintek RM14..

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AMP is good, and if not mistaken Made in Malaysia. Dintek i think made in China / Taiwan.
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post Jul 4 2011, 03:19 PM

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Actually the one I checked at the product label in Viewnet says AMP made in US.. I guess that's why expensive. Dintek is made in Taiwan..
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post Jul 4 2011, 09:11 PM

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Where is Jalan pasar? Heard the name a few times here. Prices cheap vs lowyat?
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Pasar Road, near Pudu market. Is where lots of electronic shop, similar to Sim Lim Plaza (not Sim Lim Square) in Singapore.
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post Jul 4 2011, 09:23 PM

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thanks for the clarification.. looks like I need to get a Gigabit switch now to test the cable eh..

QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 3 2011, 11:44 PM)
To really test Cat6 and LAN cable you need a sophisticate device to test Attenuation, noise level, and cross talk. For home use, if the interface did not show any crc lost or packet lost is already ok.

Think what he mean on the 90 deg things is bending problem for cat6, which is not going to show anything problem if is running on 100Mbps. Only using test equipment can show the problem.
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