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OlgaC4
post Oct 1 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 12:07 PM)
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The question is law and 10 Commandments is the same or not to you?
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post Oct 1 2012, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 12:01 PM)
So both of you agreed that we no need follow the 10 commandment any more?

Please tell me whether the law and 10 commandment are the same or not?
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Please answer the above question my Bro.
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post Oct 1 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 30 2012, 11:28 PM)
Matthew 22:34-40

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
The 10 commandments have shrunk to 2 commandments.

To Love God is to love his brother. Not the 10 commandments.

1 John 4:20

If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Jesus came to fulfil the law to the highest degree so that Man would be further alienated from achieving them.

Do you know why? Because He already said He is the way the Truth and The Light.
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The 10 commandments have shrunk to 2 commandments.

I am challenging this only.
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post Oct 1 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 12:41 PM)
Why Challenge it? Jesus is the one who said it.

Matthew 22:40
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

As the New Covenant way.

Bible Way.
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Is not reduced in size rather then based on these 2 commandments.
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post Oct 1 2012, 01:08 PM

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Matthew 19:20 I' have obeyed all these commandments.

So Teh tarik on unknown warrior.


But after that he got still obeyed the commandments we will not know.
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post Oct 1 2012, 01:14 PM

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My Bro you used the word (shrunk) which means reduce in size. You should said based on these 2 commandments.
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post Oct 1 2012, 01:21 PM

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post Oct 1 2012, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 01:10 PM)
Of course not.

The Law is Holy and Perfect. It stands on it's own.

It's unbending and inflexibly true.

If you're able to bend it slightly it's no longer the law.

That is why nobody is able to keep it perfectly simply because there was no one like Jesus before Jesus time.
When I use the word Shrunk, it's a metaphor to denote, it's effect and power against us has been removed.
Colossians 2:14
having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
Based on Colossians 2:14, it says the 10 commandment was against us, not for us.
If the 10 commandment is against us, why do you still insist on fulfilling something that is not for us?

See or not?

You must understand Olga, the intention of the 10 commandments is not for you to obey but to let you know you cannot.
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My Bro

Colossians 2:14
He canceled the record of the charges agains us and took it away by nailing into the cross.

He canceled the record not the written code. If he canceled the written code then there will be no record of our charges.

Frankly i think you need to find new Church


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post Oct 1 2012, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 01:25 PM)
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Don't just stop there, continue to Read

Matthew 19:22
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

He could not put God above his wealth. He did not fulfilled the Law perfectly.
Fail one, you failed them all.
Do you know the parable of the Rich Man is there for us to understand there will be people who will still try the Old way even After Jesus has come?

Read that parable in contrast with Zacchaeus the Tax Collector. (Luke 19)

The Rich Young Man is under Law
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector is under Grace.

That is why Jesus says the prostitutes, Tax collectors, the social out casts are all entering the kingdom of God, while the Teacher of the Law could not.

Jesus did say He came for sinner, the sick. He did not come for the righteous.

Let me share this secret with you.

Those who try to keep the Law becomes Self Righteous. They become critical of others because they think they're like in God's "selected special Elite" group. The Law produces Mean people. (not you, just to illustrate). They are usually judgemental, can be seen from character.

While those under Grace will appreciate the grace they're under. In no way Can anyone boast before God (for those under grace) because we have not earned any rights through works to stand before God. (to obey the law). In this way we are humbled and appreciative.

If you want to know the heart of God, he's really against self righteousness or self effort. God being God will now allow his Glory for others.

But then I've come to fully submit all Glory indeed belong to God because He is able!

Edit: no problem with the Teh Tarik.  biggrin.gif.
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Fail one, you failed them all

Where is it mentioned in the bible?

Those who try to keep the Law becomes Self Righteous. They become critical of others because they think they're like in God's "selected special Elite" group. The Law produces Mean people. (not you, just to illustrate). They are usually judgemental, can be seen from character.


We keep the law because we love Jesus and obey the Holy Spirit. You only become self righteous if you do it on your own.


Added on October 1, 2012, 1:51 pmI think we need a Teh tarik session to address this issue.

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 12:01 PM)
So both of you agreed that we no need follow the 10 commandment any more?
Please give answer. yes or no

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 02:02 PM)
Nope. Not after Christ Jesus Came.

The reasons has been explained.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 02:21 PM)
Yes by the Grace of God, yes.

Read.

Romans 4:1-3
Romans 4:13-14
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YES or NO???
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post Oct 1 2012, 03:42 PM

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We discuss this in cell group. This friday.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 1 2012, 03:50 PM)
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post Oct 2 2012, 01:47 PM

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Don't Take God's Grace For Granted. If possible please obey the 10 Commandments. No harm right.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 2 2012, 02:25 PM)
Aiyo Bruder.

Read your Bible.

You cannot have both.

Either you're under grace or under Law.

Jesus says you cannot put new wine into old wine skin.

One of the reasons Jesus came is to free us from the Laws of 10 commandment and here you want to go back again. doh.gif

Read the whole Chapter of Galatians 3.
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Either you're under grace or under Law.

Please corroborate on this.
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post Oct 2 2012, 02:41 PM

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Bro please read this

http://rcg.org/articles/lg.html


Added on October 2, 2012, 2:48 pmSince i am under Grace. Today i will kill you. I am sure Grace will save me.

Just pure common sense and both of you cannot get it

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Today and forever i feel to worship other God. I am sure the Grace of Jesus Christ will save me. horaa can go to heaven. Life everlasting

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 2 2012, 02:58 PM)
Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Galatians 3:10
But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law."

Galatians 5:4 (NLT)
For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.
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Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.


Grace is from God, Every time you sin it does not means the Grace of God will save you.

Galatians 3:10
But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law."

I don't depend of law. I depend on Holy Spirit in me. I mentioned this already

"Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law."

You said you don't obey the 10 Commandments what.

Galatians 5:4 (NLT)
For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.


I told you already i keep the law with the help of the Holy Spirit in me. You said no need to keep the law since we are under Grace
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 2 2012, 03:31 PM)
Who says?
What you just said is not found in the Bible because God mention in

Romans 5:20
.....But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
The Holy Spirit never mention about you keeping the Law in the Bible but the opposite.
No where it is mention you are to keep the Law with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Please give me a scripture to support what you said.
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