Only if you believe "Hell", is actually a location which is part of the polarisation between Heaven and Hell, which is popularised only during the Middle Ages, and hence forth.

I got this idea by understanding that the Bible have some contradiction to what reality depicts. One of the best example is asking the simplest question:

"The Word of God is absolute. Then by all means, shouldn't there be only ONE testament, instead of TWO? Sure they call it the "old" and "new", sometimes for the sake of chronology, but the division leaves room for question about those who authored the book, when there is obviously ONE god, with ONE testament, not TWO."

Because of this, whenever I find something that is wrong in accordance to what life really is, (if you have lived honestly), I knew something was edited out.

Hence now there are 2 types of Christians.

1) One who lives by the book.
2) One who lives in reality, with the book as a guidance, and investigated it for he/she is true and honest about the world around him/her.

God's Word isn't written by God. its inspired by God, written by man.

the 2nd one i hardly would consider him a Christian. More like a make belief mumbo jumboist.

Bottom line is, why do you even wanna associate yourself with christianity in the first place? delusional? if you're really honest about it, you'd be an atheist. so which is which now.

And God has blessed Israel with treasures beneath their feet, and thus its prophecy fulfilled when they found petroleum at their shores!

hallelujah!

Only if you think christianity is what it is. There was never a "Christianity" as how humanity will describe it.

It is evident that I do not perceive "Christianity" the way how most of the world did.

All I see is the repeat of the "Pharisees era", where a religion is taken, advocated, mass-produced, and completely misinterpreted it.

Do not be surpise when the world has a second Saul (Paul) too, because it is repeating.

I believe in the God from the Bible, but I can tell what's right and wrong. It takes experience and the Spirit to help you do that.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jun 26 2011, 10:41 PM

What you are describing are two extremes in the people coming to the Word. This is why we need to know the two-foldness of the truth: the objective and subjective truth. If we can grasp these two aspects, we are able to grasp the tracks in the Bible. A train has two tracks on which to run. If there is only one track, the train will derail. With two tracks, the train can move ahead. Both the objective and subjective aspects of the truth need our attention.

The Bible is made up of words, but it is not man's word. It is God's word spoken through man. The Bible records the speaking of Daniel, Isaiah, Paul, etc. These men spoke on behalf of God, but this does not merely mean that God was speaking through Daniel, Isaiah, and Paul. It also means that the words that were spoken were also the words of Daniel, Isaiah, and Paul themselves.

It is not a question of how much of God's Word we can memorize or how well we can quote it. Nor is it a matter of how much we know or how familiar we are with God's Word. The real issue is whether or not we can represent God when we speak. We all know that Paul wrote two Epistles to the Corinthians. There are some words in his Epistles which he confessed were not commandments of the Lord (1 Cor. 7:25). He could say this because he had become one with Christ. We can say that he was speaking what the Lord was speaking. These words were not words of inspiration, but words that were the result of Paul's constitution. When Paul spoke, it was Christ speaking.

Words of inspiration and revelation can be received in an instant. But it takes a long process for Christ to be constituted and formed in us. This process cannot be accomplished within a short period of time. It is a prolonged work that goes on a little at a time. One has to maintain a continual hidden fellowship with the Lord before such constitution can be produced.

In quoting God's Word, we have to pay attention to one thing. It is not a matter of quoting the words that God spoke to men of old, like Moses, and applying it to situations today. It is a matter of whether or not we can speak what God wants us to speak when we quote such a word. In his time Moses spoke what God wanted him to speak. Can you say that God wants to speak the same thing to men today? Can you say that this is not just a quotation?

We must not only have God's spoken word, the logos, that is, the black and white letters, but also the Lord's shining of these spoken words in our spirit to become the instant word, the rhema, before we can speak these words.

For example, many people can give a message on the story of Cain and Abel. But it is not a matter of whether one can extract more novel teachings from these passages. It is a matter of whether or not God can speak what He wants to speak to man today through such a message.

PS ... why are there 2 testaments .... because Christ's coming marks the new .... the old Testament do not have Christ wrought into them but the new Testament does ...

So then if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, they have become new (2 Cor 5:17)

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jun 28 2011, 06:43 PM

You were simply elaborating of what I think of the Bible, but unfortunately I've met many bible thumpers who took the words in the Bible way too literally. And about me doubting the authenticity of the Bible? It came from the same question. The Old and the New Testament. Like I said, which is similar to yours. It is meant to mark the chronology of the times before and the arrivial of Jesus. Yet, the fact that Jesus came down to make things new, then by all means God has only ONE testament now. NEVER two different ones.

One God, one testament. For He is absolute.

With this I knew something, or rather someone has been touching the Bible somewhere around the centuries. Aside from these, with the help of the Spirit, I've began to see a number of important subtle subliminalities that made up today's humanity, and believe me when I say things are about to repeat in the preent that came from the Bible, the Pharisees era, and of how other sins have evolved into new diseases and plagues.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 3 2011, 04:04 AM

Hi everyone,
On the 24th of July the Lisbon Chamber Choir (Coro de Câmara de Lisboa) from Portugal and the KL Children's Choir from Kuala Lumpur are organizing the unique "2-in-1" international standard choir performance at UCSI Main Campus, Taman Connaught, Cheras. Anyone interested can PM me. Tickets are available. Please come and support us. For more information http://lisbonchoir.blogspot.com/

I'm not a christian but find these 2 songs very nice, and wish to share with you guys and girls. Sarah Reeve's "Sweet Sweet Sound" and Plumb's "God Shaped Hole". Both are labelled as Christian songs, enjoy







This post has been edited by jimmykvt: Jul 16 2011, 10:52 PM

i never liked christian music. sounded too preachy to me

Anyone here attending Asia Ablaze Conference in Stadium Putra, Bkt Jalil on 2-4 August 2011?

Rodney Howard Brown gona bring lots of imparting gifts of the spirit, gona be loads of revelations and real life stuffs.

Revival might be on its way to this nation sooner that we expected. Time and season of glory invasion of heaven on earth, to see the whole world taken back to Gods Kingdom.

All welcomed to join and experience the REAL stuff of life.

Habakkuk 2:14 - For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

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This post has been edited by Pinarello: Jul 16 2011, 11:39 PM

Revival is definitely coming sooner. We have to think in months, not years.

No one went for the DUMC Sidney Mohede's worship?

Sunday got! sore voice he had

hello. haven't seen you in a while. since your confession thread lol

Poor thing.

oh have been busy in work. miss mee?

but he still can sing!

And yes... setting Jesus as the center of our life is absolute!

I heard they're christian rock bands... Doesn't sound preachy to me. But I enjoy their music. Very nice.

PETRA ROCK!

Hi! Do Christians jamming at their church?