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Now the next step would be for the overthrowing of the government, starting with Sabah Sarawak...and remove Satan's stronghold there...and Jesus will reign!

Well, not that bad. I mean, come on...God manifested as a human, got broken into pieces, nailed too. Even more despair. You wanna try?

i understand what are you trying to say but different people sadness differ from each another, same goes to happiness. people blame God for their own reason, even me, i often blame God when i'm sad or in the midst of failure, but also praise God when i'm happy

happiness has its own meaning for every searching heart.

when it comes to pain, although our feeling towards pain maybe the same, but it also depends how people deal with it, some blame God but do nothing, some will find some entertainment to cure it, some waits for the opportunity to turns things back to normal, and some just wait time to cure it

but for me, i found out that i dont need any painful experience to pursuit happiness, i'm happy as long there is nothing bothering me..but too bad, many unlucky things happen to me recently eg: studies, time management, forever alone problems. but do i need to go though this to experience happiness? for me i dont think so

I know your reply doesn't refer to me but I would like to share my view.

I never blame God for what had happened to me, big problem or small problem. All I do is through prayer, move His hand to restore things to be better.

The thing is when things don't turn out after you have put your faith in, but more and more problems coming out, you might wonder if it's God's will, and you might wonder if your prayers are not pleasing, or something wrong with your prayers. And whenever you see your christian fellows, or even non-christians, getting what they want, you might want to do something and ask from God giving you the same. Please take note, things that I refer to now is not straight As in SPM or STPM or CGPA or entering which top Uni or big company, I'm merely asking for a simple family. That's all.

If you did trace back the post I shared a little bit earlier on, check out the website and see how many women out there, faithfully and genuinely loving their husbands, having intimate relationship since their dating stage but out of a sudden, after 5 years of marriage, their husbands have affair with another women, some husbands even shifted out and left the children behind.

If this husband is predestined to betray the wife, why would God allows them to get married? Have you seen people who face too much of stress and disappointments and in the end they cry fainted and go insane?

I would rather my life go simple, than to have a very blessed and wonderful beginning but in the end huge disappointment, like a huge rock drops on your body.

The higher you have faith in something, the painful you feel. Some people who are proud and stubborn, little bit of failure will boost up their motivation to grow, but to those who are having simple life all along, these disappointments are just too much for them to bear, which is not helpful in moulding a person's life.

I never blame God for what had happened to me, big problem or small problem. All I do is through prayer, move His hand to restore things to be better.

I know. But the prayers are not answered nor given. Whenever someone told me He answers prayers, and share me their testimonies, I believe with no doubt, but never would I believe the same would happen to me. I prayed, prayed, waited and prayed; I had hope, faith, patience to wait but in the end I only had disappointment.

i believe in God. because when i was young about to sit for UPSR, i knew peanuts. so i prayed. and miraculously, i scored 3As 2Bs.

and this time when play station came out. i was real gutted because everyone had one, and im still playing sega saturn. so i prayed again. to my surprise, my dad already bought one but he kept it until my birthday.

and last year, i was real broke. as usual. i prayed. and the number 4967 appeared in my dream that night. ive never bought nor gamble in any form of lottery prior. but i did. it was God's will. and that night i was 60k richer.

God is great! believe it!

excuse me? what interest did you think i had by being sarcastic?

have mercy on those who doubt, as can be read in jude 1:22

so much negative vibe. so much.

Great to see the Christian Lounge is back up again

I have one question....if a Christian says that the Bible is not the inspired word of God, and that they're just very good documentations... what to do?  I got really scared of course, because if the Bible is not the inspired word of God then everything can be doubted and refuted.

pehkay, thanks for your explanation!

I still have one more question then:
Mind to explain who are these people that gnashing of teeth? Are they Christians who do not do God's will? If yes, then that means even one has accepted salvation, because of his works not divine enough, he lost his salvation, which doesn't go align with the 12 secured salvation quotes.

I don't get what you both are trying to explain.

@pehkay, i have some christian friends whose parents passed away without being saved.

You know what I'm trying to ask? Would there be any possibility for these parents to be saved anyway?

Unfortunately ... no. :/ The Bible is quite explicit on it (with reference to Luke 16:19-31 - Lazarus and rich man). Unbelievers will have no hope of salvation after death. It is only in our individual lifetime.

Haha, that's what he said but it is not what he alluded to

Spiritually, I agreed with him that Christ's death is eternal. But, unfortunately, salvation after death is not possible. That would be very unrighteous. Imagine all those ended on the other side of Hades will definitely declare I want to believe into Christ. But, the rich man didn't have way as the parable shows that he pleaded with Abraham to send Lazarus back to preach to his brothers.

God's Word isn't written by God. its inspired by God, written by man.

the 2nd one i hardly would consider him a Christian. More like a make belief mumbo jumboist.

Bottom line is, why do you even wanna associate yourself with christianity in the first place? delusional? if you're really honest about it, you'd be an atheist. so which is which now.

What you are describing are two extremes in the people coming to the Word. This is why we need to know the two-foldness of the truth: the objective and subjective truth. If we can grasp these two aspects, we are able to grasp the tracks in the Bible. A train has two tracks on which to run. If there is only one track, the train will derail. With two tracks, the train can move ahead. Both the objective and subjective aspects of the truth need our attention.

The Bible is made up of words, but it is not man's word. It is God's word spoken through man. The Bible records the speaking of Daniel, Isaiah, Paul, etc. These men spoke on behalf of God, but this does not merely mean that God was speaking through Daniel, Isaiah, and Paul. It also means that the words that were spoken were also the words of Daniel, Isaiah, and Paul themselves.

It is not a question of how much of God's Word we can memorize or how well we can quote it. Nor is it a matter of how much we know or how familiar we are with God's Word. The real issue is whether or not we can represent God when we speak. We all know that Paul wrote two Epistles to the Corinthians. There are some words in his Epistles which he confessed were not commandments of the Lord (1 Cor. 7:25). He could say this because he had become one with Christ. We can say that he was speaking what the Lord was speaking. These words were not words of inspiration, but words that were the result of Paul's constitution. When Paul spoke, it was Christ speaking.

Words of inspiration and revelation can be received in an instant. But it takes a long process for Christ to be constituted and formed in us. This process cannot be accomplished within a short period of time. It is a prolonged work that goes on a little at a time. One has to maintain a continual hidden fellowship with the Lord before such constitution can be produced.

In quoting God's Word, we have to pay attention to one thing. It is not a matter of quoting the words that God spoke to men of old, like Moses, and applying it to situations today. It is a matter of whether or not we can speak what God wants us to speak when we quote such a word. In his time Moses spoke what God wanted him to speak. Can you say that God wants to speak the same thing to men today? Can you say that this is not just a quotation?

We must not only have God's spoken word, the logos, that is, the black and white letters, but also the Lord's shining of these spoken words in our spirit to become the instant word, the rhema, before we can speak these words.

For example, many people can give a message on the story of Cain and Abel. But it is not a matter of whether one can extract more novel teachings from these passages. It is a matter of whether or not God can speak what He wants to speak to man today through such a message.

PS ... why are there 2 testaments .... because Christ's coming marks the new .... the old Testament do not have Christ wrought into them but the new Testament does ...

So then if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, they have become new (2 Cor 5:17)