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post Nov 22 2012, 07:54 PM

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18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.

20 Children, obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing to the Lord.

21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

22 Bondservants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in sincerity of heart, fearing God. 23 And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for[a] you serve the Lord Christ. 25 But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done, and there is no partiality.
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post Nov 22 2012, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(kendrickkeng @ Nov 22 2012, 07:54 PM)
Hi everyone!  biggrin.gif
Colossians 3:18-25 NKJV
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How u doing?

Got meditate or not?
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post Nov 22 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 22 2012, 07:58 PM)
How u doing?

Got meditate or not?
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i'm good mang. it really helped me
feel younger when i read the replies here n i'm glad people like u actually bother me

thanks mang, u the best smile.gif

regards,
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post Nov 22 2012, 08:37 PM

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i'm good mang. it really helped me
feel younger when i read the replies here n i'm glad people like u actually bother me

thanks mang, u the best  smile.gif

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We are all here for each other.

We have a permanent heavenly home waiting for each and everyone of us.

According to King James translation, one of the oldest translation, it says in our Father's home there are many Mansions and the streets are made of Gold.

It's a guaranteed clause as long as we never lose faith. Believe and continue to believe until it becomes natural as breathing.

Some of us while in this current life envy those who living rich lifestyle, big houses, big cars.

Well, Heaven is going to be better than that.

Because we will live without pain, loneliness nor sorrows forever in a peaceful and joyful state.

Something that we can only dream of in this life.

I know for a fact many rich people have sorrows others do not know about.
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post Nov 23 2012, 05:13 AM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Nov 21 2012, 12:13 PM)
Hello guys need help.

What is the main different between Christian and catholic?

Just for my knowledge. Pastor ask this question and i don't know how to answer also.
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привет olga, give me one more day, I will add more to what Unknown Warrior has said, and to try my best to tell you. TGIF tomorrow and I have more time.

QUOTE(FantaPeach @ Nov 21 2012, 04:42 PM)
Hi Warrior,

I am actually a Catechumen and yet to become a Catholic. I am undergoing RCIA class now. From there, I get to know quite a number of catholic friends from all-walks-of-life . Besides, my hubby who is a Catholic himself was quite involved in some parish church activities. Hence, I get to know some neighbours who are Catholics. Every weekend, we will organise bible reading session at one of our house and thereafter will be fellowship session.

Everyday, I will receive some Catholic news or material from my friends. Should you wish to be in my forwarding list, kindly send me your email address via message system here.

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May the Lord guide you smile.gif Happy to see this from me a catholic myself , I will pass materials to you via PM, in addition to what this thread has to offer smile.gif

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 21 2012, 04:48 PM)
lol, you summon me, i summon the Holy Spirit for help, because all knowledge of truth comes from Him.
Erm, that link provided by Skydrake pretty much cover the difference.

There are a few things in Catholicism which I know of.

1. They have extra books in the Bible (canons or Apocrypha) which the Protestant discarded due to historical inaccuracies, fables and contradictions like the book of Tobit which emphasize works or self effort which contradict the meaning of grace in the book of Romans.  - we have 7 'extra', or in another words, Luther took away 7 books deem not important, hence I am not sure what is the correct term, but RCC Bible is most complete?! no to start a flame war dont worry brothers and sis

2. They believe in Prayer of the Saints and to Mary.

3. They consider Mary as the Mother of God, Queen of Heaven's Saint.

4. They believe Sin can be absolve through confessions to priests.

5. Very Ritualistic and the religious practise like burning of incense, basically it's very religion base as oppose to relationship base.

6. They believe in a temporary Heaven call purgatory

7. They believe the Pope is the supreme Authority in the Body of Christ

8. They believe Salvation need to be attained through works. - we believe Salvation is attained through BOTH faith and works.

9. They have laws like Canon law (Catholics), Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), 10 commandments, papal decrees and orders.

10. Can't think of any more, <feel free to add>
These are the few things that I believe does not fall in line with the Gospel of Christ.

Because I've always emphasize this which the RCC seem to ignore, The Gospel of Christianity is really about God's begotten son. The main story in the Old Testament and New Testament is about the love, grace and the redemption of Jesus Christ and No one else.

Some of the RCC revered the saint and mary to a divine state and is almost put side by side along with Jesus Christ. Of course some may say they are treated as secondary channel or backup to speed up the process of prayer but I find that hard to reconcile to the scripture. It's not there.

But never the less they are still Christians. There are charismatic/protestant Catholics who broke away from RCC. The key difference are doctrines and practises.

We shouldn't distance ourselves from Catholics as they are still our brother and sisters in Christ as well. We love them as our own.

At best, try to avoid condemning them, but walk with love.

Only be careful of the difference of doctrines. That's all.
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Great, I like this post, I shall explain , with time, God willing, to my best to all these differences by concise, refined articles - as opposed to the TLDR Intercession of the Saints I did for all who to view better.
and to Olga as well.

Thanks be to God the ceasefire is now official in Gaza-Palestine.

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post Nov 23 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Nov 22 2012, 03:39 PM)
very nice, unknown warrior.. do u think u can let me have a song list? most of the songs u posted here was very nice, i really likes to have more on ur list! i know my demand was a bit over  brows.gif  hope u don't mind ..ehehe

1 more question here, is it illegal for me to download those songs? coz i have laggy connection to stream direct from youtube so I directly download the youtube mp3 files, which is much much faster then I stream direct  thumbup.gif
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Hi Brother, Morning.

Too many songs la bro.

Wat I'll do is, from time to time I'll post in our Christian thread, you just dl from youtube.

Don't worry I will sure share songs from time to time in here because they can help us to draw near or worship God.

kay?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 23 2012, 10:09 AM
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Nov 23 2012, 05:13 AM)
привет olga, give me one more day, I will add more to what Unknown Warrior has said, and to try my best to tell you. TGIF tomorrow and I have more time.
May the Lord guide you smile.gif Happy to see this from me a catholic myself , I will pass materials to you via PM, in addition to what this thread has to offer smile.gif
Great, I like this post, I shall explain , with time, God willing, to my best to all these differences by concise, refined articles - as opposed to the TLDR Intercession of the Saints I did for all who to view better.
and to Olga as well.

Thanks be to God the ceasefire is now official in Gaza-Palestine.
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haha I shall enjoy discussing with you about salvation by grace only. brows.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2012, 10:04 AM)
Hi Brother, Morning.

Too many songs la bro.

Wat I'll do is, from time to time I'll post in our Christian thread, you just dl from youtube.

Don't worry I will sure share songs from time to time in here because they can help us to draw near or worship God.

kay?
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good morning brother,

no worry, I will still accept it in any form of sharing from u.. hope u will share more! more! hahahahha thumbup.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Nov 23 2012, 10:39 AM)
good morning brother,

no worry, I will still accept it in any form of sharing from u.. hope u will share more! more! hahahahha  thumbup.gif
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This song is old but when really bored n if didn't listen long time, reaLLY rclxm9.gif




tOBYmAC is a Christian artist.

Last time he's from Christian hip hop group call DC Talk.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 23 2012, 10:56 AM
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:59 AM

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Here's another one from Toby Mac



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post Nov 23 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 21 2012, 11:44 PM)
This is your divine solution from God, as in below what you've said?
lol, up to you brother.

Praying and trusting God while you continue doing your daily work and not worrying about your circumstances IS DOING something in the eyes of God. Not worrying IS pointing your Gun shooting the Bullet at the Devil, spiritually speaking. God will work when you have submissive trust in Him.

And the Fact that your leaders or pastors who preached this same message but found their wife and even having Children is not a sign of hypocrisy.
It's a sign to tell you that God blessed and answered them and you should really learn from them how to obtain the same favour. God is a respector of no one, if He can do it for your Church Leader/Pastor, He can do it for you too.

You should see it that way instead of figuring out in your head, they did it on their own, ie to go all out to find their wife to be in their own way.
That is so disrespectful and scornful if I may add.

Yes it's nothing wrong to go out and look for a partner after prayer, I've already said it should be that way. But don't complain when things doesn't work out, pointing finger to Church bureaucracy, Or Church Girls look down on you, Church people not very supportive of you.

Why don't you stop and think for a moment, why this is happening. Perhaps God is speaking to you, you're doing it not according to his will of quiet trust.

btw 2 Corinthians 12:9 talks about total submission to God in our weaknesses. It's not talking about medical condition.

Shalom brother.
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Ahem what do you mean by disrespectful and scornful? I disagree.

Pastors are human beings. Yes submission to authority. But some of them tend to be bullies. I know of one youth pastor, he outrightly told me off that I am an outsider and not belong to his congregation just because I didn't attend his youth service when I was 10 years old.

I once brought up the issue about the lack of fellowship and the clickishness of a youth church. But the pastor chastised me and told me to persevere rather than bringing up to the youth leadership and doing somehting about it.

I have even witnessed one occassion that a pastor influence a girl to break up with her boyfriend. Four years later he married her. Wow, speak of conflict of interest.

And what about cases in singapore? I don't want to mention names due to legal ramifications. But we have heard of one ongoing in singapore about funds use by pastor's spouse for singing career. Another church, divided because too much funds allocated for a building. I know of an insider in that church told me about how bias the funds were approved, every one of the officials chosen to approve it are the pastor's close confidants.

We need to discern ! Not blind submission.

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post Nov 23 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Nov 23 2012, 11:10 AM)
Ahem what do you mean by disrespectful and scornful? I disagree.

Pastors are human beings. Yes submission to authority. But some of them tend to be bullies. I know of one youth pastor, he outrightly told me off that I am an outsider and not belong to his congregation just because I didn't attend his youth service when I was 10 years old.

I once brought up the issue about the lack of fellowship and the clickishness of a youth church. But the pastor chastised me and told me to persevere rather than bringing up to the youth leadership and doing somehting about it.

I have even witnessed one occassion that a pastor influence a girl to break up with her boyfriend. Four years later he married her. Wow, speak of conflict of interest.

And what about cases in singapore? I don't want to mention names due to legal ramifications. But we have heard of one ongoing in singapore about funds use by pastor's spouse for singing career. Another church, divided because too much funds allocated for a building. I know of an insider in that church told me about how bias the funds were approved, every one of the officials chosen to approve it are the pastor's close confidants.

We need to discern ! Not blind submission.
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Have you forgiven them?

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post Nov 23 2012, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2012, 10:52 AM)
This song is old but when really bored n if didn't listen long time, reaLLY  rclxm9.gif
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


tOBYmAC is a Christian artist.

Last time he's from Christian hip hop group call DC Talk.
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downloading..

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2012, 10:59 AM)
Here's another one from Toby Mac
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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downloading.. btw its this illegal? LOL! rclxub.gif

QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Nov 23 2012, 11:10 AM)
Ahem what do you mean by disrespectful and scornful? I disagree.

Pastors are human beings. Yes submission to authority. But some of them tend to be bullies. I know of one youth pastor, he outrightly told me off that I am an outsider and not belong to his congregation just because I didn't attend his youth service when I was 10 years old.

I once brought up the issue about the lack of fellowship and the clickishness of a youth church. But the pastor chastised me and told me to persevere rather than bringing up to the youth leadership and doing somehting about it.

I have even witnessed one occassion that a pastor influence a girl to break up with her boyfriend. Four years later he married her. Wow, speak of conflict of interest.

And what about cases in singapore? I don't want to mention names due to legal ramifications. But we have heard of one ongoing in singapore about funds use by pastor's spouse for singing career. Another church, divided because too much funds allocated for a building. I know of an insider in that church told me about how bias the funds were approved, every one of the officials chosen to approve it are the pastor's close confidants.

We need to discern ! Not blind submission.
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Good day brother alvin,

How is your day? tongue.gif
About your quotes above here, I'm curious 'bout the answer u will give to "unknown warrior " question "have u forgiven them"? Add on with another question from me, "have u doubt 'bout god judgement towards them?"..

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Nov 23 2012, 12:47 PM)
downloading..
downloading.. btw its this illegal? LOL!  rclxub.gif
Good day brother alvin,

How is your day?  tongue.gif
About your quotes above here, I'm curious 'bout the answer u will give to "unknown warrior " question "have u forgiven them"? Add on with another question from me, "have u doubt 'bout god judgement towards them?"..
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Shucks, what is there to forgive?

1)The church that overbudgeted their building fund and cause the church to be short of fund is not my church.
2)The youth pastor who induced the girl to break up the bf and married her, has nothing to do with me
3)The youth pastor who told me off that I am an outsider, I just left and did better at another church, I am glad he told me that or else I won't know the true pic there. So what is there to forgive? In fact, he blessed me more when I found somewhere better.
4)The singapore church is not my church, so why i must be mad at them?

Sigh....my topic is not about god judgment about them. Everybody, even christians after we die, we will face judgement at the judgement seat of christ.

My topic here is...even church leaders are imperfect, we need to discern and by discerning means we need to ask god for direction and strengthen our knowledge in the word. Because unknown warrior say that I was rude to them. I never say anything rude to them. Like i say, the youth pastor who call me an outsider, I dunno wat happen to him, but I just left the church and am glad I found somewehre better. Anyhow, there was once, I ask him if i could use the church toilet during a while waiting for transport. He say ok, and then he let me into the office. Then as I was coming out, he locked me in the church office ! I peaked through the window and saw he and his wife few feet away. I tried to shout to the top of my voice to ask him to help open the door. But he ignored me. Then one member saw that, and tell him that i was calling him but his back is turn against me and didnt bother to respond.

If what i can say is, the pastor is wierd. He must really dislike me...maybe i yong sui or something. But there's nothing to forgive because i moved on. I am just telling u tht people r not perfect in this world.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2012, 12:21 PM)
Have you forgiven them?
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Read my reply to skydrake.

Besides, I think its more of the issue of "have they forgave me?" Btw I done no wrong. Maybe the youth pastor don't like me because I am yong sui or what.

I can forgive them anytime, if they just come over and chat with me, i am ok.


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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Nov 23 2012, 12:16 PM)
Shucks, what is there to forgive?

1)The church that overbudgeted their building fund and cause the church to be short of fund is not my church.
2)The youth pastor who induced the girl to break up the bf and married her, has nothing to do with me
3)The youth pastor who told me off that I am an outsider, I just left and did better at another church, I am glad he told me that or else I won't know the true pic there. So what is there to forgive? In fact, he blessed me more when I found somewhere better.
4)The singapore church is not my church, so why i must be mad at them?

Sigh....my topic is not about god judgment about them. Everybody, even christians after we die, we will face judgement at the judgement seat of christ.

My topic here is...even church leaders are imperfect, we need to discern and by discerning means we need to ask god for direction and strengthen our knowledge in the word. Because unknown warrior say that I was rude to them. I never say anything rude to them. Like i say, the youth pastor who call me an outsider, I dunno wat happen to him, but I just left the church and am glad I found somewehre better. Anyhow, there was once, I ask him if i could use the church toilet during a while waiting for transport. He say ok, and then he let me into the office. Then as I was coming out, he locked me in the church office ! I peaked through the window and saw he and his wife few feet away. I tried to shout to the top of my voice to ask him to help open the door. But he ignored me. Then one member saw that, and tell him that i was calling him but his back is turn against me and didnt bother to respond.

If what i can say is, the pastor is wierd. He must really dislike me...maybe i yong sui or something. But there's nothing to forgive because i moved on. I am just telling u tht people r not perfect in this world.
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ops, my fault mis-leading my question. my question should be this way on "Have you doubt god purpose on them?. Real sorry for this, please forgive me. You are right that your topic was not about god judgement about them. Thank you for correcting btw.. laugh.gif

Hmmm... let see what "unknown warrior" will reply u..

Btw brother alvin, u still did not answer my 1st question "How is your day?" hehe thumbup.gif
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sickness come from?
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QUOTE(hotjake @ Nov 23 2012, 12:45 PM)
sickness come from?
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from sin. Men fell off grace, hence we become corrupt.

Medically speaking, it comes from bacteria viruses fungi

Routinely, it comes from external factor improper diet, lack of exercise, our lives - stress, smoking? alcohol?, internal factor : genetics, family history

but we Christians know very well, also all Abrahamaic religion, that it results from sin.
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any comment about this statement?

One Scripture tells me that Jesus is not God because Jesus himself defined who is God and who isn't. Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17:3-"And this is the way to have eternal Life, by knowing you, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth". When Jesus already defined who is the Only God, then he has already defined who isn't God, which is everybody else. So, Jesus did say in that scripture that he is not God.
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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Nov 23 2012, 12:16 PM)
Shucks, what is there to forgive?

1)The church that overbudgeted their building fund and cause the church to be short of fund is not my church.
2)The youth pastor who induced the girl to break up the bf and married her, has nothing to do with me
3)The youth pastor who told me off that I am an outsider, I just left and did better at another church, I am glad he told me that or else I won't know the true pic there. So what is there to forgive? In fact, he blessed me more when I found somewhere better.
4)The singapore church is not my church, so why i must be mad at them?

Sigh....my topic is not about god judgment about them. Everybody, even christians after we die, we will face judgement at the judgement seat of christ.

My topic here is...even church leaders are imperfect, we need to discern and by discerning means we need to ask god for direction and strengthen our knowledge in the word. Because unknown warrior say that I was rude to them. I never say anything rude to them. Like i say, the youth pastor who call me an outsider, I dunno wat happen to him, but I just left the church and am glad I found somewehre better. Anyhow, there was once, I ask him if i could use the church toilet during a while waiting for transport. He say ok, and then he let me into the office. Then as I was coming out, he locked me in the church office ! I peaked through the window and saw he and his wife few feet away. I tried to shout to the top of my voice to ask him to help open the door. But he ignored me. Then one member saw that, and tell him that i was calling him but his back is turn against me and didnt bother to respond.

If what i can say is, the pastor is wierd. He must really dislike me...maybe i yong sui or something. But there's nothing to forgive because i moved on. I am just telling u tht people r not perfect in this world.
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So is this a fair assessment to say,

until they come and seek your forgiveness,

you still hold grudges against those who hurt you?

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