QUOTE(imin @ Nov 23 2012, 03:21 PM)
any comment about this statement?
One Scripture tells me that Jesus is not God because Jesus himself defined who is God and who isn't. Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17:3-"And this is the way to have eternal Life, by knowing you, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth". When Jesus already defined who is the Only God, then he has already defined who isn't God, which is everybody else. So, Jesus did say in that scripture that he is not God.
This question have been answered.One Scripture tells me that Jesus is not God because Jesus himself defined who is God and who isn't. Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17:3-"And this is the way to have eternal Life, by knowing you, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth". When Jesus already defined who is the Only God, then he has already defined who isn't God, which is everybody else. So, Jesus did say in that scripture that he is not God.
I'll just repost what I answered to hamballah.
QUOTE(hambaallah @ Nov 18 2012, 01:59 AM)
He's both.Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, (NIV)
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. (NLT)
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (KJV)
QUOTE(hambaallah @ Nov 18 2012, 12:56 PM)
god die? that is impossible.
if jesus god how u explain this:
Jesus in Praying to HIS FATHER said: "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. So listen to what the son says when he calls his father THE ONLY TRUE GOD!
Jesus is a servant of God. (Acts 3:13)
I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Rev 14: 14-15 Here is Jesus is taking orders from another angel ! Can we believe that an angel who orders Christ to harvest the earth is giving orders to God Himself! Or that he would have to tell the omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing) Most High "God the Son" when and how to do anything?
if jesus god how u explain this:
Jesus in Praying to HIS FATHER said: "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. So listen to what the son says when he calls his father THE ONLY TRUE GOD!
Jesus is a servant of God. (Acts 3:13)
I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Rev 14: 14-15 Here is Jesus is taking orders from another angel ! Can we believe that an angel who orders Christ to harvest the earth is giving orders to God Himself! Or that he would have to tell the omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing) Most High "God the Son" when and how to do anything?
Read the whole Bible in it's context. Don't pick one verse to justify
This verse signify Jesus as God.
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!"
And if you read back John 17:3
Do you see the word there "and Him"? hence signifying Both are on equal ground as God.
Do you see the word there "that they should know you"? hence have eternal life signifying Faith as the pre-requisite NOT through works or self effort.
You are right to say that God cannot die, that is why He is resurrected because the power of God's spirit in Jesus is Life and even death cannot hold Him and is now at the right hand of God the Father, living for evermore.
God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all one. Moslems and the world will have a hard time understanding this trinity. But I just point that as trying to limit God in the box of our human thinking. If you can accept there's nothing impossible for God, then it's also fair for you to accept that God can co-exist in any form He desires. Back in the time of Moses, God came in the form of burning fire. He also came in the form of pillars of cloud to guide the Israelites through the wilderness.
The reason that He died as Man is to represent ALL of us, including the people of your faith that whosoever who believes will have eternal life.
To be a sacrifice so that we need not fall under judgement. Both of our Faith agrees that God is a God of Judgement and Justice, where there is sin, there must be penalty of our sins. That is the Love of God towards his creation, that instead of you dying, God desire that you live through Him. But there is a condition. That you have Faith in Jesus Christ in what He did. May sound easy but when you try, it can be a challenge for some.
Yes Jesus became a servant of God to teach us servitude. If you really want to be a fore front, Great Man in the Kingdom of God, learn to serve others as well. The world teaches, if you're somebody great, others will serve you. But that's not how it is, in the things of the Kingdom of God.
The Scripture says God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise, so that NO ONE may boast before God. (1 Corinthians 1:27-29)
God's way is usually the reverse of this world's wisdom.
Jesus was showing an example where He said the first will be the last and the last shall be the first. That takes humility attitude of servant hood.
Unbeknownst to many, Jesus came to serve us as well. This is proven in the scripture when Jesus wanted to wash Peter's feet and Peter response was "No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”" (John 13). Jesus responded, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
Many a times, we are all like Peter. We can never conceive such a great and mighty God would want to do this. That signify God's love for us. and Jesus did say, unless you allow me you will have no part with me signifying to be in God's Ministry.
But you know what? I realize, It takes humility to allow Jesus a God to wash our feet. Many time we want our own glory. We want God to recognize our effort to get his approval but never wanted what He wants to do for us in our life. Man just do not know how to receive in humility unless he has a part of effort in it. And THAT is the greatest problems with the religions of this world. We always want self glorification instead of giving praise and glory to God for what He has done for us.
And this answers in Revelations 14:14-15. It talks about Jesus's servant hood and Trinity. BTW just to expound for your better understanding of the Bible. Many a times from the Book of Genesis all the way to Revelations, God the Father uses Angels to be his spokes person. As in the vision of Daniel, Abraham, The prophet Ezekiel, etc. Angel of God does not act on their own when it comes to God's ministry. They act upon instructions from God the Father.
Even as in the temptation of Satan, after Jesus defeated the Devil, The Angels came and attend and minister to Jesus. Here is one instance, The Angels serve Jesus.
Jesus said in Matthew 26:53
Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
The Temple of God in Heaven is where God the Father dwells. (Revelation 15:8) The Angels was responding to God the Father's command to inform Jesus his Son to reap the harvest. This proves the Separate personification of God in 3 persons and yet as One. Here is one instance, Jesus taking command from God the Father signifying the distinct of Trinity. Not from Angels.
And if we were to go along with the Islamic line of thought about disproving Jesus as part of Trinity. Here is one thought for you to ponder as well.
If Jesus indeed is not the son of God, How can He be on the same Level of Heaven with the Father appearing in a white cloud and seated on it?
The book of Revelations 14 says Jesus wore a crown of Gold on his head and seated on white cloud. Doesn't that symbolised God?
The very point you try to use in your argument disprove your notion.
I hope this helps you.
Nov 23 2012, 04:18 PM

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