hi UW, in ur believe u consider jesus a god or god n man?

is it something like the explanation in here? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination
i really got a lot question these days, i wants to know more & i'm ready to explore the world of myself.

Denomination may be many but the core teaching is the same.

ic, how do u look at denomination by ur own point of view? *please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to question u but I'm trying to know & learn more

As time goes by people start to interpret Bible in their own understanding, other denomination start to grow up, as I said earlier the core did not vanish. RC did change a lot of their doctrines where Latin is not a must other language are given importances. to quote one of them.

It is a human nature to look everything in different angle, my view might not the same with yours same goes with denomination. But the end we are all the same, Christ as a centre.

Jesus is God, who came down to earth in the form of a man, to die for our sins so that we don't have to.

god die? that is impossible.


if jesus god how u explain this:
Jesus in Praying to HIS FATHER said: "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. So listen to what the son says when he calls his father THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

Jesus is a servant of God. (Acts 3:13)

I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Rev 14: 14-15 Here is Jesus is taking orders from another angel ! Can we believe that an angel who orders Christ to harvest the earth is giving orders to God Himself! Or that he would have to tell the omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing) Most High "God the Son" when and how to do anything?

Jesus (God), came to earth as a man. He lived his life on earth pure and perfect with no sin. He then took our sin on his shoulders, died as a man, and 3 days later conquered death and then ascended back to Heaven to take his place (as God) at the right hand of the Father.. It is because He paid the price for our sin that we are able to gain eternal life in heaven.

Having said that, it is painfully obvious that you are here simply to troll without any understanding of our scripture nor our beliefs, so I'm not going to bother debating/explaining in any further detail.

It seems that the demon already manifest in her for more then many years. The girl just keep quite and she almost want to vomit but the the thing refuse to come out.

U are in a wrong thread, stick to your own!

He's both.

Colossians 2:9

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, (NIV)

For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. (NLT)

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (KJV)




Read the whole Bible in it's context. Don't pick one verse to justify

This verse signify Jesus as God.

John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!"

And if you read back John 17:3

Do you see the word there "and Him"? hence signifying Both are on equal ground as God.
Do you see the word there "that they should know you"? hence have eternal life signifying Faith as the pre-requisite NOT through works or self effort.

You are right to say that God cannot die, that is why He is resurrected because the power of God's spirit in Jesus is Life and even death cannot hold Him and is now at the right hand of God the Father, living for evermore.

God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all one. Moslems and the world will have a hard time understanding this trinity. But I just point that as trying to limit God in the box of our human thinking. If you can accept there's nothing impossible for God, then it's also fair for you to accept that God can co-exist in any form He desires. Back in the time of Moses, God came in the form of burning fire. He also came in the form of pillars of cloud to guide the Israelites through the wilderness.

The reason that He died as Man is to represent ALL of us, including the people of your faith that whosoever who believes will have eternal life.
To be a sacrifice so that we need not fall under judgement. Both of our Faith agrees that God is a God of Judgement and Justice, where there is sin, there must be penalty of our sins. That is the Love of God towards his creation, that instead of you dying, God desire that you live through Him. But there is a condition. That you have Faith in Jesus Christ in what He did. May sound easy but when you try, it can be a challenge for some.

Yes Jesus became a servant of God to teach us servitude. If you really want to be a fore front, Great Man in the Kingdom of God, learn to serve others as well. The world teaches, if you're somebody great, others will serve you. But that's not how it is, in the things of the Kingdom of God.
The Scripture says God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise, so that NO ONE may boast before God. (1 Corinthians 1:27-29)
God's way is usually the reverse of this world's wisdom.

Jesus was showing an example where He said the first will be the last and the last shall be the first. That takes humility attitude of servant hood.

Unbeknownst to many, Jesus came to serve us as well. This is proven in the scripture when Jesus wanted to wash Peter's feet and Peter response was "No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”" (John 13). Jesus responded, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
Many a times, we are all like Peter. We can never conceive such a great and mighty God would want to do this. That signify God's love for us. and Jesus did say, unless you allow me you will have no part with me signifying to be in God's Ministry.

But you know what? I realize, It takes humility to allow Jesus a God to wash our feet. Many time we want our own glory. We want God to recognize our effort to get his approval but never wanted what He wants to do for us in our life. Man just do not know how to receive in humility unless he has a part of effort in it. And THAT is the greatest problems with the religions of this world. We always want self glorification instead of giving praise and glory to God for what He has done for us.

And this answers in Revelations 14:14-15. It talks about Jesus's servant hood and Trinity. BTW just to expound for your better understanding of the Bible. Many a times from the Book of Genesis all the way to Revelations, God the Father uses Angels to be his spokes person. As in the vision of Daniel, Abraham, The prophet Ezekiel, etc. Angel of God does not act on their own when it comes to God's ministry. They act upon instructions from God the Father.

Even as in the temptation of Satan, after Jesus defeated the Devil, The Angels came and attend and minister to Jesus. Here is one instance, The Angels serve Jesus.

Jesus said in Matthew 26:53
Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

The Temple of God in Heaven is where God the Father dwells. (Revelation 15:8) The Angels was responding to God the Father's command to inform Jesus his Son to reap the harvest. This proves the Separate personification of God in 3 persons and yet as One. Here is one instance, Jesus taking command from God the Father signifying the distinct of Trinity. Not from Angels.

And if we were to go along with the Islamic line of thought about disproving Jesus as part of Trinity. Here is one thought for you to ponder as well.
If Jesus indeed is not the son of God, How can He be on the same Level of Heaven with the Father appearing in a white cloud and seated on it?

The book of Revelations 14 says Jesus wore a crown of Gold on his head and seated on white cloud. Doesn't that symbolised God?
The very point you try to use in your argument disprove your notion.

I hope this helps you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 18 2012, 07:52 PM

Good to have this attitude. Learn as much, I will try to share as much as well.

Hi Olga,

try to find out, if your friend has any unforgiveness, hatred towards someone, past hurts and whether she was involve in anything occult like ouiji board, hororscope, consulting mediums, etc.

there's probably a foothold where the devil is using to hold on.

ultimately she can also proclaim that Jesus Blood has already forgiven her of her past, present and future sins.

she need to make that declaration by faith and believe in it.

Basically protestant are Christians who holds the Bible as it's final authority and they encourage Christians to search and read the scriptures by praying to God that he will guide you to understanding through the Holy Spirit.

The Protestant Reformation came about due to the false teachings, rituals, tradition that the Roman Catholic Church holds to which was against the Bible. The main figures who initiated this reformation are Martin Luther (1483-1546) and John Calvin (1509-1564), this 2 figures were mainly influenced by Augustine of Hippo (354 - 430) who in turn was influenced greatly by the truth in the Bible.

If you want to know what John Calvin, Martin Luther and Augustine of Hippo arguments are which originated from the bible, please listen to this free teaching sermons: Source

But do keep in mind, we are all humans and there's no perfect Church or Perfect denomination. Sometimes even Christians can be wrong, so always go back to the Bible.

This post has been edited by Piros: Nov 18 2012, 03:43 PM

Hi Brusky.

Don't worry. We are all united in here.

It will be for hambaallah's benefit as well to be set free from wrong understanding of the Bible.

Anyway he chose to come in here, nobody force him.

God will make the way clear for him.

Anyway God is in charge in any gathering of christians, Amen?

Amen

thank you very much, truly appreciated with all your replies.

thank you for your shares. I agreed this "Sometimes even Christians can be wrong, so always go back to the Bible."

Eh you from DUMC?

How come never see you b4?

If that is your pic of course.

Which ministry you active in?

i belif he is son of evil. many pictar of him showing he thin like a drug addit too.

thats wht i thought only. but i guess i was wrong. he surely a good man i think

This post has been edited by BlackBox96: Nov 18 2012, 05:26 PM

why is this religious thread spared from forum rules?