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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V5, Anticipating D700 replacement !

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post Feb 19 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(aldosoesilo @ Feb 19 2011, 09:55 PM)
we are here to gain knowledge in photography dude. not to hear your sarcasm joke, and poisoning other with gears especially those who don't have any knowledge in photography.
when you firstly ask an advice from your friend regarding what camera should you buy. and they tell your about D3x.
what do you think?

earn money by selling corpse? I do understand that is a joke. but that poisoning joke is not suitable for answering a newbie question bro.

just my 2 cents. ignore it if you do mind.
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bro mind me asking. have you ever do studio photo shoot?
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which part of my advice to him/her was poisoning? If you called a sentence of few words of joke or rather a matter of fact(D3s indeed better than 550d and d90) is poisoning then might as well not say anything.

And I do not know which of your eyes saw I that I advice him/her to go consider the D3x or D3s, I told him/her that either(550d & d90) can be a good camera and choice is up for him/her while I told her what the difference IMO.

If you really understand that is a joke and you think you have better constructive suggestion to share then go ahead and share. Stop behaving like you wanna lecture somebody. Who you think you are and is it wrong to joke? What's more the person I replied to perfectly understand it's a joke from me and totally ignore it. Can't you do the same? shakehead.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 19 2011, 09:52 PM)
But but but... the Canon users thinks 550D -> D90, 60D -> D7000, 50D,7D -> D300s  laugh.gif
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Quite common, especially when they didn't check or know the classification or category of the camera; This happen also to other products, especially automotive (e.g. cars getting bigger in size (+ price), people tend to confused and compare with higher end cars).


QUOTE(pikipiki @ Feb 19 2011, 09:53 PM)
50D IMO is way higher class than 60D and d7000. Got full mag alloy body, but Canon being too smart to downgrade it's 60D and in consequence make d7000 looks like some monster.  laugh.gif
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Well, actually, if you want to talk about personal opinion, lol, everyone has one, it'll become havoc. Plus, body type doesn't make it higher class, if yes, then... if Canon comes out 2000D (lowest entry model) and gives it a mag alloy body, do you consider it higher class than 60D and D7000? tongue.gif

The best is to stick to the actual classification/category, you say 60D downgraded in terms of BODY construction, but it's still quite heavy; probably they want to maintain the weight? Who knows? Ask Canon tongue.gif

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post Feb 19 2011, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 19 2011, 09:57 PM)
Its because 7D already fill the gap so logical way to do is to downgrade 60D abit so that it wont be in the same class as 7D (interm performance & price)
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But I always don't understand Canon's strategy. They always have competition even within their own products doh.gif . 550D -> 60D -> 7D. All using same sensor...

QUOTE(Bliz @ Feb 19 2011, 09:58 PM)
Never do any studio photoshoots b4 cos i thnk it's boring with controlled lighting
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Fuh, action la~ tongue.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 19 2011, 10:03 PM)
But I always don't understand Canon's strategy. They always have competition even within their own products  doh.gif . 550D -> 60D -> 7D. All using same sensor...
Fuh, action la~ tongue.gif
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Yeah, I think this time with the 1100d and 600d Canon has really mess up with themselves. laugh.gif
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Hehe some also say 7D and 5D Mk II also a competition laugh.gif

Guess one of the reason is canon refresh the camera so fast, especially the XXXD series. Replacement every year liao sweat.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(pikipiki @ Feb 19 2011, 10:05 PM)
Yeah, I think this time with the 1100d and 600d Canon has really mess up with themselves.  laugh.gif
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This one you have to see the other name of the camera perhaps?
1100D --> T3
600D --> T3i

Basically the same model, but one with somethings "extra"? Like D300 and D300S?
I don't know, it feels like the days of Nokia handphone... N93 --> N93i
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:09 PM

I was like LOL :D
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QUOTE(pikipiki @ Feb 19 2011, 10:01 PM)
which part of my advice to him/her was poisoning? If you called a sentence of few words of joke or rather a matter of fact(D3s indeed better than 550d and d90) is poisoning then might as well not say anything.

And I do not know which of your eyes saw I that I advice him/her to go consider the D3x or D3s, I told him/her that either(550d & d90) can be a good camera and choice is up for him/her while I told her what the difference IMO.

If you really understand that is a joke and you think you have better constructive suggestion to share then go ahead and share. Stop behaving like you wanna lecture somebody. Who you think you are and is it wrong to joke? What's more the person I replied to perfectly understand it's a joke from me and totally ignore it. Can't you do the same?  shakehead.gif
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me lecturing? nah..
is it me lecturing or you? anyway your suggestion is nice. Ignore it! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 19 2011, 10:03 PM)
But I always don't understand Canon's strategy. They always have competition even within their own products  doh.gif . 550D -> 60D -> 7D. All using same sensor...
Fuh, action la~ tongue.gif
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Lol just my opinion only la, cos i still noob and want to learn how to adopt to different lightning cry.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:11 PM

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The reason canon pull down 60D's standard from 50D is because canon wanna make xxxxD, xxxD and xxD in a same category as entry level bodies. After that will be the single digit xD and xDs, which is considered as pro bodies.

Like that, their dslr can be easily separated into 2 categories instead of 3, which I personally find it quite confusing sometimes. smile.gif


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post Feb 19 2011, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 19 2011, 10:05 PM)
Hehe some also say 7D and 5D Mk II also a competition laugh.gif

Guess one of the reason is canon refresh the camera so fast, especially the XXXD series. Replacement every year liao sweat.gif
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Hehe yeah, coz some consumers want FF and fast fps, and they kinda have similar body.
Canon totally failed in product differentiation. Too much overlapping and certain high end model lack features that exist in smaller and cheaper body eg faster fps (but that's like a tradition of 5D to have slow fps).
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Feb 19 2011, 10:09 PM)
This one you have to see the other name of the camera perhaps?
1100D --> T3
600D --> T3i

Basically the same model, but one with somethings "extra"? Like D300 and D300S?
I don't know, it feels like the days of Nokia handphone... N93 --> N93i
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Those naming scheme only affect the US market, over here we still use 600D and 1100D while in japan kiss something (lol not sure)

Look it this way though, the 1100D is the most basic and cheapest canon dslr while 600D is a step above that but both still in the entry level. Nikon also did the same thing with D3000 and D5000 laugh.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:15 PM

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Bottom line is, Canon refresh the body too frequent. Last time my friend bought 500D and not long after 550D came out. LOL. Then those who bought 550D also not even 1 year release the 600D. Damn fast.
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 19 2011, 10:13 PM)
Those naming scheme only affect the US market, over here we still use 600D and 1100D while in japan kiss something (lol not sure)

Look it this way though, the 1100D is the most basic and cheapest canon dslr while 600D is a step above that but both still in the entry level. Nikon also did the same thing with D3000 and D5000 laugh.gif
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HAHA from the trend of how Canon upgrade their models recently, there's a possibility that they would just install a the new swivel screen to 5D mark2 and name it the new 5D mark3 laugh.gif

It would be really funny then. Of course I don't think Canon is that stupid. laugh.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(pikipiki @ Feb 19 2011, 10:12 PM)
Hehe yeah, coz some consumers want FF and fast fps, and they kinda have similar body.
Canon totally failed in product differentiation. Too much overlapping and certain high end model lack features that exist in smaller and cheaper body eg faster fps (but that's like a tradition of 5D to have slow fps).
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How can you say Canon fail. Canon Singapore has the ability to sponsor million-dollar goodies including 24 7D cameras, telephoto lenses, flashes, and 700 document managements devices to National Sports Assiociation(NSA). Have you seen any other companies do that? Besides, Canon has the ability to open it's own concept stores throughout our whole country. Have you seen a lot other companies do that? If Canon cannot differentiate its own product properly, can they open so many concept stores? tongue.gif

How can you say Canon fail. I really don't understand. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 19 2011, 10:18 PM)
How can you say Canon fail. Canon Singapore has the ability to sponsor million-dollar goodies including 24 7D cameras, telephoto lenses, flashes, and 700 document managements devices to National Sports Assiociation(NSA). Have you seen any other companies do that? Besides, Canon has the ability to open it's own concept stores throughout our whole country. Have you seen a lot other companies do that? If Canon cannot differentiate its own product properly, can they open so many concept stores? tongue.gif

How can you say Canon fail. I really don't understand. biggrin.gif
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Ah edward ah boy, read properly sleep.gif
I said failed in product differentiation
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post Feb 19 2011, 10:21 PM

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Canon spends more more then Nikon on advertising and promotions, no doubt about that. Same goes with sponsors. IIRC last year NST recieved 20 1Ds MkIV, 70-200mm F2.8 and 17-40mm brows.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 19 2011, 10:18 PM)
How can you say Canon fail. Canon Singapore has the ability to sponsor million-dollar goodies including 24 7D cameras, telephoto lenses, flashes, and 700 document managements devices to National Sports Assiociation(NSA). Have you seen any other companies do that? Besides, Canon has the ability to open it's own concept stores throughout our whole country. Have you seen a lot other companies do that? If Canon cannot differentiate its own product properly, can they open so many concept stores? tongue.gif

How can you say Canon fail. I really don't understand. biggrin.gif
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Canon earning a lot from selling printers, calculators, list goes on? tongue.gif They don't only sell photography gears leh~ I like Canon's printers biggrin.gif


Added on February 19, 2011, 10:21 pm
QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 19 2011, 10:21 PM)
Canon spends more more then Nikon on advertising and promotions, no doubt about that. Same goes with sponsors. IIRC last year NST recieved 20 1Ds MkIV, 70-200mm F2.8 and 17-40mm brows.gif
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Prototype?

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Whoops, should be no s there laugh.gif

1d Mark IV blush.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 19 2011, 10:18 PM)
How can you say Canon fail. Canon Singapore has the ability to sponsor million-dollar goodies including 24 7D cameras, telephoto lenses, flashes, and 700 document managements devices to National Sports Assiociation(NSA). Have you seen any other companies do that? Besides, Canon has the ability to open it's own concept stores throughout our whole country. Have you seen a lot other companies do that? If Canon cannot differentiate its own product properly, can they open so many concept stores? tongue.gif

How can you say Canon fail. I really don't understand. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pikipiki @ Feb 19 2011, 10:20 PM)
Ah edward ah boy, read properly sleep.gif
I said failed in product differentiation
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Correct ah, I was talking about that laugh.gif
Read properly tongue.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 19 2011, 10:21 PM)
Canon earning a lot from selling printers, calculators, list goes on? tongue.gif They don't only sell photography gears leh~ I like Canon's printers biggrin.gif


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I like their calculators, much better than casio and never failed me in exam. After so many years still running strong. thumbup.gif
I like their L lens. At least they dare to say officially that their lens are weather sealed unlike nikon so that crazy and rich people can bring it when they bath and shower with their rubber ducky. laugh.gif

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