All of which existed on the first iteration of iOS. Sekarang tengok apa sudah jadi?

Symbian's big time failure is the bolded part of your statement. There is no use packing so much power when you can't even use the power properly. I mean, look at the N8.

If you want to stick a program shortcut on the home screen, how many steps do you need to take. Any more than two, you fail the UI part already. This however was a failure of Nokia, since they control Symbian. I mean, how could, with people screaming into their collective heads that they though the UI part could wait for Symbian^4? We release Symbian^3, the upgrades to the base OS, then we do Symbian^4, where we change the UI. That's basically sticking a 'work in progress' sign on all Nokia phones. Any one of us here can actually defend this decision?

Elop came in, and saw like most other people do what idiotic strategy this is, tell everyone that if you own Symbian^3 device, well, good luck with the UI. Cause we won't fix it until Symbian^4 is ready. He saw straight away that the problem with Nokia at the high end was Symbian vagueness. Am I getting the UI upgrade or not, how long is the wait? He made the decision to stop this Symbian^3 and ^4 nonsense, and simply to call the os Symbian. But the damage was done already.

So, Nokia did what Motorola did. Be the best hardware company and leave the software and ecosystem to someone else. Did it harm Motorola?

This post has been edited by mfitri77: Feb 12 2011, 03:48 PM

ya, i agree on ur statement above.as i said before,symbian fail big time in their UI and need a little improvement like browser,bug fix..it need some effort to improve it to be the high end smartphone os.y dun continue their investment on it?y abandoning it and switch to another platform?i just dun get it.its mature enough,look at those simple function that it have while other OS like WP7,iOS dun have.the biggest problem,UI,browser,bug and some improvement.

funny, if it was camera only you should just buy a camera.

not every1 is like u lucky, some ppl want good phone with excellent camera, some want internet and social network. the point is, we use the devices becoz we want it. and we love it.

dont say if like if some1's ride is proton inspira, then when he want to drive faster u say '' better get ferrari bro''. who u are to determine it?

i tried WP7 and it feels like BlockGo games...

Hey guys , SHould i keep the Power Saving mode activated at all time ?? Or should i activate it only when the battery in on certain lvl ??

My friends suggested me to activate the Power Saving mode all the time ..

not really. if u want to save battery then go for it.

that is true nick, I totally agree now why is my reason funny?

Where is the update!!!

Problem is, they've been trying to fix it for how long now? Let's look at Symbian^3, for example. The ability to put out HDMI signal was introduced in Symbian^3. But why on earth are you introducing a feature thats not going to be on all phone, at the expense of a UI that will be on all phones? The UI? That one we fix later, but HDMI out so cool, that one we do first.

That's what you get on the supposed 'engineering culture Finns'. Add more feature, and hey, if its rough around the edges, we don't care, because we are engineers. Selling it is not our job, it's the marketing people's job. So what you have is more feature that's practically useless because you can't use it properly. And if the marketers try to tell the engineers what to do? Simple. they just protest and stage a walkout.

Love it or hate it, Microsoft was exactly in the same boat with Windows Mobile 6, where they knew the whole thing wasn't built for finger touch use. They admit it, they were frank about it, and they acknowledged it, and they made the brave decision to reboot the whole thing, start afresh with the whole touch paradigm thing. What they have, as you say, a friendly UI. That's the first step. All the others you can add to a strong UI base. It's what Google did with Android and what Apple did with iOS.

Should you try and add a UI to a base OS that was design with the old move key touch thing, you get for example Windows Mobile 6.5. Symbian 5th Edition.

The sad thing is this, if this was acknowledged earlier by Nokia, that they don't actually have an OS for finger use, they could have do what Microsoft did and build one from scratch, and introduced it at the same time as Windows Mobile 7. That would have been the end of Microsoft, but what was the brass there doing? That's right, our Symbian is still the best OS for mobile there is.

Sad isn't it, after saying this is our flagship phone, now they are pulling the plug. Saying I feel cheated is an understatement.

Nokia's Senior Vice President Jo Harlow said back in November last year:
In early 2011, there will be things like split-screen text entry, portrait Qwerty and Swype integrated into the UI, as well as a new browser and a new browsing experience that is much more modern. The updates will come in the first half of 2011. The difference is that typically when we’ve introduced a new range of Nokia devices, maybe they got one or two updates. Now, for the whole lifetime of the devices, there will be updates. It’s an opportunity for us to bring new content and further improvements to the user interface.

Will we still get updates 'for the whole lifetime of the device'? Or is this promise now cancelled because Symbian is being sidelined?

i seriously think that it won't be so soon lah...mite b quote a bit until a major update is coming.

Like Botak said no one can know for sure except for nokia, but I feel with them focussing on intergrating windows8 to their phones (I read it wont be this version of windows), no chance we will see big update for symbian. maybe some small here and there bug fixing updates, but that's about it.
I'm happy to be wrong in this of course.

That's what I don't understand. How can the N8 be the flagship? A flagship product is a product that defines the company, that gives the company the identity. The only identity you get with the N8, and Symbian^3 is a half baked operating system UI.

According to my reading, yes, existing products are being supported, and Nokia will continue to wring out every last cent they can from Symbian, before dropping it down as a "franchise" os, in other words, either using it on the lower end or just licensing it to anyone who still uses it, like DOCOMO Japan.

they promised symbian user with a revamp UI...i dun think they have to create a brand new version of symbian,just update it will be cool.slowly add on those feature?nono,too slow...lets look on WP7,iOS...we've waiting for how many years for iOS add in the feature?yeah,android is fast enuf,feels great with their efficiency,thumbs up.btw,symbian is now working on new revamp UI and new browser and so on,y suddenly stop it since they already invest a lot of money?it doesn't make sense isn't it?

Look at this if u havent seen it. R&D for symbian will be completely gone. either by that time symbian is a god like perfect OS that need no further R&D or ....
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They still need to sell what they have, so I don't think people should worry much about the N8. Right now, they are probably plotting how to get all of us from Symbian to WP7.

My take on the whole announcement thing is that with the shift, Nokia essentially are telling the developers to get ready to move also, because they are the important ones that really needed to know the direction the company is taking, and whether they are on board or not. That's where Microsoft will leverage their know how.

If nokia stop update symbian^3 and discontinue symbian Os, i will not buy nokia liao.

Probably Nokia realised that it is just not possible to do it for Symbian. In other words, Symbian is just not capable for those revamps. Two reasons to support my statement :
1) They are saying about some of the improvements for very long, ever since Symbian FP1 but whenever new version released, it is the same crap. Some of the improvements are very minor and yet it was not implemented?
2) Nokia just fully bought over Symbian Foundations, if I am not mistaken 2-3 months back . Probably Nokia has just realised what Symbian can do and can't after directly getting into it.