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post Mar 13 2011, 03:33 PM

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USA HAARP WHEATHER WARFARE??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TdIkI1ory8

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the US Air Force, the US Navy, the University of Alaska and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

any latest news related to this research?

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post Mar 13 2011, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 13 2011, 03:33 PM)
USA HAARP WHEATHER WARFARE??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TdIkI1ory8

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the US Air Force, the US Navy, the University of Alaska and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

any latest news related to this research?
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The Russians used to have one of the weapon. It triggered Hurricane Katrina. It is mostly about using Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) waves and heating the Ionosphere slowly and that creates an abnormal weather conditions and firing a bit of it onto the Earth to cause some earthquakes. When the weather pattern goes into reverse or out from the natural path, it means somebody just triggered weather warfare.

Simply put, it's like male and female. The natural way the thing works, until somebody started genderbending things and creating hermaphrodites, Hideyoshi and some other weird shit.
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post Mar 13 2011, 03:52 PM

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HAARP is a radar technology research...
however it is surrounded by conspiracy theory...
Anyway I still dun think human have the power to control weather yet...
given the magnitude of energy to control it...
hack3line go find Project DESTINI in the core movie... brows.gif
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post Mar 13 2011, 04:02 PM

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isnt weather warfare banned by the geneva convention?
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post Mar 13 2011, 07:39 PM

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post Mar 13 2011, 09:56 PM

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guys,is the land rover defenders gonna be replaced any time soon?if yes with what vehicle?

im rooting for otokar cobra because ATM


Added on March 13, 2011, 9:57 pmguys,is the land rover defenders gonna be replaced any time soon?if yes with what vehicle?

im rooting for otokar cobra because ATM at the moment seem to be having a turkish lovefest

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post Mar 13 2011, 10:03 PM

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what's wrong with defender?
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post Mar 13 2011, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 13 2011, 10:03 PM)
what's wrong with defender?
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well,the british have problems with their defenders,unarmored and vulnerable to IEDs.i know we are not sending an army into afghanistan or any shithole but we dont know what the future holds.the americans thought the humvee was good until the vehicle was really tested in iraq and they found it inadequate
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post Mar 13 2011, 10:36 PM

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IED was a threat even for heavy armoured vehicle,simply because they attacked the most vulnerable part of the vehicle:lantai

comparing a defender with HMMWV isn't that much correct btw. they are being develop to meet different aspects(Defender is more of an all round utility vehicle while humvee is designed so it cannot be toppled over due to it's sheer width)

we used Defender as multi purpose utility 4x4 vehicle,not as Recon vehicle(we got g wagon for that),apatah lagi as a front line vehicle.besides MRAP isn't that much of a great IED-proof APC themselves
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i meant by their similar roles,utility behind the lines vehicles..who knows maybe in the future we might face another mogadishu and maybe that time we wont be so lucky and have only G-wagons and defenders.its not like every company is gonna have AV8s.Defenders are the backbone of the army and some of them will see combat..defenders are fine for now,what about the future.maybe its time for malaysia to include vehicles with V shaped hulls

the condor was thought to be good enough until it got peppered by RPGs and 7.62s

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 12 2011, 03:50 PM)

U.S., Malaysian Forces Conduct Joint Aviation Exercise

By From USS Abraham Lincoln Public affairs

USS Abraham Lincoln (At Sea) (NNS) -- Aircraft from USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) Carrier Strike Group participated in a joint aerial combat training exercise with the Royal Malaysian Air Force, Feb 14.

F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets from Carrier Air Wing (CVW)2 joined Malaysian SU-30 and FA-18D Hornets to train in multiple combat scenarios. Events ranged from single aircraft engaging single aircraft, all the way to complex multi-aircraft combat scenarios.

With the Malaysian SU-30s maneuvering at speeds estimated close to MACH 1, training was aggressive and realistic.

"Air Combat Training gives our aviators a chance to match their skills against the skills of some formidable foreign aviators and their modern aircraft. An added benefit is promoting regional partnerships and improving maritime security," said Lt. Luke Swain of CVW-2.

The United States and Malaysia share a diverse and expanding partnership and cooperate closely on a number of security matters, including counterterrorism, maritime domain awareness, and regional stability.
The Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group is currently in the U.S. 7th Fleet's area of responsibility as part of a routine deployment to promote peace, cooperation and stability in the region.
Boy, do i miss those Tomcats. And what with those our SU-30 maneuvering at speed estimated close to MACH 1? aren't they suppose to be faster then that?
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Mar 13 2011, 10:49 PM)
i meant by their similar roles,utility behind the lines vehicles..who knows maybe in the future we might face another mogadishu and maybe that time we wont be so lucky and have only G-wagons and defenders.its not like every company is gonna have AV8s.Defenders are the backbone of the army and some of them will see combat..defenders are fine for now,what about the future.maybe its time for malaysia to include vehicles with V shaped hulls

the condor was thought to be good enough until it got peppered by RPGs and  7.62s
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if we going to face another mogadishu, we need more helicopters.


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Landrover Defenders are still quite good and adequate for ATM, no need to replace them. Anyway, we also have G-Wagons and Vamtacs. If we want armored 4x4, probably the AV4 should be given a second look, but with a bit more modifications
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Mar 14 2011, 07:42 AM)
Boy, do i miss those Tomcats. And what with those our SU-30 maneuvering at speed estimated close to MACH 1? aren't they suppose to be faster then that?
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we want to make the US look good?or those types of meneuvers are suppose to be done at a slower speed
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What about those wide-body utility vehicles (humvee,Kobra....) seems like they look perfect on the wide open spaces like Afghanistan,but when they are enclosed in an urban environment (Mogadishu,Baghdad,Fallujah) they seem to be hard to maneuver due to their width....cannot make a 3-point turn in a standard sized street.

The wide body is originally designed to make the vehicle run on the the trail left by tank treads,making movement easier in the desert.

I think that's the main problem with current western weapons (especially the US forces), because they have been fighting in the middle east for the last 20 years,most of their equipment is geared to a urban and desert environment and may not be at all suitable in most general environments. (Imagine a Cougar MRAP maneuvering in a wooded area battlefield,or inside a city for that matter.....)


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post Mar 14 2011, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 14 2011, 11:13 AM)
What about those wide-body utility vehicles (humvee,Kobra....) seems like they look perfect on the wide open spaces like Afghanistan,but when they are enclosed in an urban environment (Mogadishu,Baghdad,Fallujah) they seem to be hard to maneuver due to their width....cannot make a 3-point turn in a standard sized street.

The wide body is originally designed to make the vehicle run on the the trail left by tank treads,making movement easier in the desert.

I think that's the main problem with current western weapons (especially the US forces), because they have been fighting in the middle east  for the last 20 years,most of their equipment is geared to a urban and desert environment and may not be at all suitable in most general environments. (Imagine a Cougar MRAP maneuvering in a wooded area battlefield,or inside a city for that matter.....)
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Humvee's and any other armored vehicles do not belong in the terrains of Afghanistan.

Why don't they belong? Because all those armor plating make them heavy and slow. Which means they can only travel on certain roads/paths.

Why is that significant? Because there is only a handful of roads/paths in Afghanistan. Which makes them predictable. Which makes them vulnerable to IED's/ambushes.

Humvee's and armored vehicles have uses in certain situations, such as when conducting urban operations. They do not work well in sandy/muddy/hilly terrain. Unless, of course if they take out all the extra armor plating. This kinda defeats the purpose of bringing a humvee in the first place.

The same principle applies to the soldiers. I do not understand why they insist on wearing body armor when conducting foot patrol. All that weight slows them down and make it impossible to cross certain terrain. This makes their patrol route predictable and of course, vulnerable to planned attacks.



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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Mar 14 2011, 12:11 PM)
Humvee's and any other armored vehicles do not belong in the terrains of Afghanistan.

Why don't they belong? Because all those armor plating make them heavy and slow. Which means they can only travel on certain roads/paths.

Why is that significant? Because there is only a handful of roads/paths in Afghanistan. Which makes them predictable. Which makes them vulnerable to IED's/ambushes.

Humvee's and armored vehicles have uses in certain situations, such as when conducting urban operations. They do not work well in sandy/muddy/hilly terrain. Unless, of course if they take out all the extra armor plating. This kinda defeats the purpose of bringing a humvee in the first place.

The same principle applies to the soldiers. I do not understand why they insist on wearing body armor when conducting foot patrol. All that weight slows them down and make it impossible to cross certain terrain. This makes their patrol route predictable and of course, vulnerable to planned attacks.
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I guess that's the mentality of the "white man". We can see that since ages past. Western Knight are always heavily armored with steel or iron armor while the eastern knight are only lightly armored with lamelar armor.
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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Mar 14 2011, 12:11 PM)
The same principle applies to the soldiers. I do not understand why they insist on wearing body armor when conducting foot patrol. All that weight slows them down and make it impossible to cross certain terrain. This makes their patrol route predictable and of course, vulnerable to planned attacks.
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tell that to the thousands of lives saved by their body armor
in the US army,the survivability of the soldier outweights the drawbacks.there are not many foot patrols in afghanistan,most are on Humvees,Bradleys,and MRAPs.even if there is foot patrols its usually in cities and towns.the vulnerability to ambushes are because they cant tell the taliban and the normal afghan.what type of terrain they cant pass through?,they have been fighting in the mountains with body armor for years.

US forces are issued lighter body armor in afghanistan depending on the terrain so i guess my argument above is invalid

body armor may be hot and slow you down..but without it the attrition rate would be higher.wearing body armor is also more PC,the more lives taken the more unpopular the war will become.btw,dont malaysian soldiers conduct foot patrols in urban areas with body armor??

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post Mar 14 2011, 01:09 PM

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^foot patrol in urban area? buat apa?


Added on March 14, 2011, 1:10 pmbtw if one see our lads in Timor Leste and Lebanon all wear body armor during patrol

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