True but why no address the root of the problem and not the symptom? I mentioned earlier why I think rugby refs receive less abuse. It's because they can fall back on replays, just like in the NBA and NFL. Are referees truly "protected"? They are fallible and technology addresses this. They received abuse when? When they make a controversial call so why not decrease the chance of error? The game is becoming faster and refs need to be well fit to keep up for the whole 90 mins. Their job is becoming tougher and thus errors are more common. Remember Mendes' disallowed goal against Man Utd? Quick counter attack resulted in Carrol dropping the ball and clawing it out from beyond the goalline. It was well in as well. Why wasn't it spotted? Because neither the linesman nor the ref was able to keep up with the game. So what? We protect them by issuing him with a license to flash a yellow whenever he feels threatened? Does this protect him off the field? What if it was a World Cup game and there was huge money riding on that decision? Does the FA care what happens to him after the game, outside the stadium? A simple google search will reveal how many death threats are made against referees despite FIFAs campaign to protect them. http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&sour...f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

My point is that if the FA is serious about protecting referees, there is a whole lot more they can do. Football is an emotional sport. The fans are hysterical and if we are against players displaying emotions, then maybe we should ban them from celebrating goals. You can't tell them not to lose it when the ref makes a bad call, but then say its ok to celebrate and rub it into your opponents when you score. I agree that if you show dissent or physically intimidate the ref, you should be cautioned but a yellow for a quick "F*** you" is stupid. Are there even clear guidelines here or is the ref allowed to card a player at his discretion?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 25 2011, 11:53 AM

I honestly do not think that controversial calls are the cause of the abuses.

Rugby, even at its grassroot level, shows respect to the referee. There is rarely any case of dissent. And if there is, the player is either gonna get a very stern warning and a sin bin would quickly follow if the abuse persist.

I think the problem is with the way footballers perceive themselves. They are trying too hard to live up to the "football is a gentlemen's game for hooligans" mantra. They think by shouting abuses at the ref it would make them hard. I'm not saying that they should be bowing to the refs, but think about it this way, if you walk into a courtroom and face a judge and he ruled against you, would you dare to call him an absolute wank and tell him to go shove up his own stuck up little hole? Bare in mind that more often than not, there is more at stake in a courtroom than on a football pitch.

I think what the FA needs to do is to implement this Respect Ref campaign at grassroot. Start with the kids. Yellow card if you try to be a ******* with the ref. EPL stars are too rich, arrogant and set in their ways to change.

This post has been edited by Monstar: Jan 25 2011, 02:14 PM

I don't watch much rugby but I seldom see dodgy decisions being made. Certainly not to the extent where a dive is rewarded with a penalty, or a goal is wrongly disallowed. Maybe it happens but like I said, I don't watch much rugby. From what I can see, the rulebook for football is more complex and this complicates things for the refs. In rugby for example, your only real guideline when tackling is not to clothesline the bloke (forget about the obvious karate kick to the nuts or judo chop to the neck). In football, you can't tackle from behind, lift both feet off the ground, go through a player, blah blah. Maybe its that much tougher being a football referee? Well in my opinion anyway. When there's more margin for error, there is more chance of controversy, hence why I think it's the main reason for abuse. I mean when do players get pissed off and berate the ref? Why do refs get death threats from fans? Its because they made a wrong call. No one would question them if their decisions were backed by evidence i.e. technology.

Footballers shout at refs to make themselves look hard? Maybe but is it only footballers who have an inferiority complex? I'm sure any male in general will puff his chest out and flex his muscles every once in awhile if just to feel good about themselves.

Maybe its because the rules in football have had to evolve over time. I mean rugby rules have been pretty much the same from before right? Football on the other hand is being hit with more injunctions and naturally, players don't like to feel like their being handcuffed.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 25 2011, 02:27 PM

The recent tirade against Atkinson by Fergie is UNACCEPTABLE claims BBC Sports


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...utd/9412330.stm
Do you think that just an explaination and an apology will suffice?
Methinks not. Why?

Hahahaha CityBluePrint. I know you will post this. Macam lalat ko ni. Whenever ade 'shit' pasal United, ko for sure akan raise the issue. Why am I not surprised?

Because we need to top up our monthly payment to the FA by 15% as well? i think thats somewhere in the contract.

Ferguson is a serial offender!




http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...utd/9412330.stm


Anything less makes a mockery out of the FA Respect the Referees Campaign!

As I said before No Player is Bigger than the Club nor any Manager is bigger than the League!
No not even Fergie.
Thats why Fergie & his supporters need to understand that!
Simple as that!

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Added on March 3, 2011, 6:50 pmThats exactly my point!

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Mar 3 2011, 06:50 PM

ever thot of reason behind saf did wat he did??

ever thot of did the ref do their jobs properly??

ur argument is one-sided, and it's targeted to MU. even in ur own thread. but credit where it's due. u bumped up an old & dying thread when MU is under scrutiny.

In any controversial situation there is always a Protagonist and an a Villain to make it Interesting & Competitive. Morerso when there is BULLYING involved.
Fergie is a known bully (recalcitrant serial offender). I guess once in a while somebody have to come along to stick up for the underdog.

Care to debate with me why Fergie doesn't respect the FA campaign?

wanna ask u arrr....Ferguson's father owe u money before izzit?

See my previous post OK.
Why does Fergie rant against the referees? To cowed the referees? So that MU gets lucky or the 'rub of the green' so to speak?
Especially when the next PL match is gonna be the most watch (by local fans & punters too).

No la. You or family owns 'share' in MU?

yes.

Ok. The main point is about Man Utd !
So if you hate man utd post here n discuss it.
Only MAN UTD !!

Btw,
Can i lol to this thred?

Lolololololololololololololololololololololol.

My bad

Sure but try to make it more interesting & creative with substance OK.

Just be BETTER NOT more arrogant in the process. Kindly note that

Sorry got to go makan! Hold your chee tan!
au revoir

have fun! dont tercekik tulang ikan ya!

Really top hater of Man Utd...

Just find all the story about Ferguson and Man Utd's players not respect referee and ignore other managers and clubs?Good job there,nice try

This post has been edited by beck_ken: Mar 3 2011, 07:47 PM

i introduce to you president of anyone but united,CityBluePrint.

oh wai-
he went out already.