HAHAHAHA pepandai u, put words in my mouth. I am talking about refs in general. Ever since Perluigi Collina, we havent seen a top class ref around. Graham Poll oso 1 guy, i never think he is a great ref even when he was still in charge, not just the Rafael incident Same goes to Ovrebo and Ben Williams when it comes to China's national team

Refs need to do a better job, simple as that. If they do a great job, they earn respect. Ever seen players call Perluigi obscene names? Thats my message and thats all to it. What is there to debate?

I call for mods to close this thread because this is totally pointless

PS: Pulis eh? then whats with going into MU thread, pulling out a post and turn that into a new thread?

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jan 18 2011, 04:23 PM

exactly why such threads are made...recruitment

Take a look at the Biggest Crime thread. we try to discuss the healthy discussion on "FA and Babel" issue and so on. We ignore the "controversy" that is slit in between his "healthy discussion". it is TS himself who divert the attention back to Berba's dive and how the "FA favours MU". No matter what, he keeps on coming back with his SAME POINT over and over and over just with different topic title.

His obsession with MU is respectable, even i dont think of the team 24/7

Darren Fletcher is learning the Roy Keane way of confronting the ref, something i am not comfortable with when i see

agree completely with Duke.

it's 1 thing for refs to be protected from abuse and threats to him and his family and so on, but its another to shield him from daily banter and complains. For example look at Babel's case. What does that twitter does to Webb? is he such a girly girl that the picture makes him cry every night to sleep and has emotional issue until he cant do his job anymore, until he needs to visit a psychiatrist? FA has to step in and find Babel, as a "protection" of webb's image. This is the sort of overprotection i think is not necessary...they are starting to take the American style of suing and charging every single incident that doesnt benefit them.

Then there's Rafael's case. Ok he got sent off, maybe the second card was harsh, but its not like the team never get lenient decisions as well. I leave that out coz its part of parcel of football, some fine day u get good results other times u are unlucky. Rafael also maybe shouldnt raise his voice and all, but even if he and Rooney did, it is pure frustration. I once told off my own friend who was the linesman just because he said the ball was out of line when i was dribbling it. like Duke said, its part and parcel of the game. Refs should be able to handle it and shrug it off, and i think the suspension for the red card is a punishment enough for a player. But FA have to "protect" the ref and start charging. What, is Rafael that ugly that when he starts shouting, Mike Dean have 3 nights consecutive of Jack the Ripper nightmare? Then i cant imagine how Mancini's life is when Tevez shout at him for substituting him off the other day. It would be a totally different case if Rafael shoved or headbutted Dean, but apparently refs nowadays have fragile emotions, some bad words to them and they cant take it.

These protections give refs the license to being careless in their jobs and not have to worry the consequences. It's like the government, if they have all the protection they have then they dont have to worry about screwing up the rakyat because they know if there is an uproar, the police will step in and capture any of those retaliating. Over time, as refs finds they can get away with bad decisions over and over again, there will definitely be more and more of bad decisions going around. At the end of the day, its the receiving team's that have to suffer (relegation, suspension, losing out on title etc which costs them millions of dollars of income) while the refs continue on gleefully with their jobs without the need to improve. Refs should be a respectable figure but as of now, they are made to be feared.

Hope what i said makes sense to majority of the posters here, without any hint of club favourism whatsoever. I just think refs need to step up on their job and these strict FA stance wont help that cause.

Because we need to top up our monthly payment to the FA by 15% as well? i think thats somewhere in the contract.

wanna ask u arrr....Ferguson's father owe u money before izzit?

yes.

have fun! dont tercekik tulang ikan ya!

Aaaahhh, correct correct correct.

Kolo Toure dopes. Nuff said.

LOL why did Keane go bald u say? have u heard of shaving before? Is that a crime as well? Hahahahaha Jesus Christ and I thought before this was the worst someone can be a tool

Nvm continue the charade, I realized that this will lead on to you posting more shite. If there's anyone who's on drugs it would be you mate, you're clearly in your own world let everyone see it

Laaaaaaaa...masa sekolah rendah tu kena buli Man Utd fans rupa-rupanya...patutla Butthurt sampai skarang HAHAHA Yes i agree, i very agree...childhood bullying can have serious effect on adulthood...as a consequences someone who got bullied may have mental retardation due to the stress.

Nothing to do with being a City fan, nobody even knows this club say, 20 years back. Heck they werent even top tier football club from 1993-2001. Who the hell from Malaysia will support them back then?

Simply a case of childhood trauma of all the abuse, "supporting" City is just another antics of his spite. In all seriousness, at the end football is just an entertainment, it wont be a life or death situation (well, unless u consider hooliganism is part of football). If really you are so disturbed emotionally by Man Utd and the managers and the players as well as the fans, i do hope you consider therapy before going on a war against United

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Mar 10 2011, 12:54 PM

my bad, what i meant was those teams that got promoted then relegated then promoted then relegated again, not those that is stable in the league like Aston Villa etc. i guess i missed out on the word "stable".

Nobody is questioning why are not a MU fan. But everyone is questioning, what is with you and your Anti-MU agenda? instead of giving countless theories on MU being a bad entity and all, why dont you tell us why did you first start hating? Dont spout yet another nonsense about every MU fan doesnt know how to play football (I play for my uni team, happy?), about lions and hyenas.

Your intention isnt altruistic, your intention is to spread and convince others to join you in viewing MU as an evil entity. By Altruistic you basically are suggesting MU is an evil group which grips every single person and that you emerged, as a freedom fighter, to liberate everyone. If you really think by "standing up" to Man Utd means u are doing the righteous thing and is the best for the wellbeing of all mankind (aka altruism), then u better heed my advice: go consult a therapist. im not kidding, im not taunting, im a health science student and i have strong opinion that u should. Seriously.

And stop with your houlier-than-thou attitude, as if you are the only few rare ones that ever played football. Being able to play in a match with proper refereeing and all doesnt mean your opinion is better than others. It just shows how narrow and closed your minds are, living in your own world, only believing in whatever you want to believe and consider other conflicting ideas as a complete false.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Mar 10 2011, 02:28 PM

it indeed has, and exactly to the direction CBP wants it to go: anti-MU agenda. I admit that i am guilty of steering it with my posts instead of just ignoring it

well if it's closed then good. We already have an Anti-MU agenda in the City thread (which i also think deviates from the original purpose: about City)

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Mar 10 2011, 02:38 PM