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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Konchesky, Ayala left, Torres next?

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post Jan 29 2011, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(skyz @ Jan 29 2011, 11:46 AM)
after mind cooling down, i think we cannot blame torres solely... i doubt we wil get suarez in time as the owners seem like not wanting to inject money invest on new players as promised to torres right before season start wit a cheeky 12.5m bid for suarez and then saying not tat they dun wan to buy but ajax dun sell... even wit adam's quality they only willing to pay 4.5m or so? tis is reali depressing.. hope torres makes up his mind and bang in goals for the rest of season and then see how far we can go next season...
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dude, its called negotiations. we are NOT rentboys. Remember the last time we fought for Aquilani and Torres? We had to really, literally sell to buy, and lots of hardball negotiations as well!
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QUOTE(digilife @ Jan 29 2011, 10:24 AM)
Dun worry, it wont happen

we will see in a few days time, if next Season, maybe

btw, is Suarez cup tied on Europa?
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YES. I got this info from a FM thread or something.

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Maxi Rodriguez wasnt eligible because Atletico were also playing in the Europa League (3rd place in CL group behind Chelsea and Porto).

Pedro Mendes played in the CL for Rangers but since Rangers were 4th in their group (out of all european competitions) he was eligible to play in the Europa League for Sporting in February. (transfered in January)

It would be based on the bolded part. Ajax placed third in Champs League group stage and will go thru to Europa League round of 32. Same goes for you lots. So, he is ineligible.

He would be eligible if it the same with Pedro Mendes' case.


Added on January 29, 2011, 11:02 am
QUOTE(skyz @ Jan 29 2011, 10:46 AM)
after mind cooling down, i think we cannot blame torres solely... i doubt we wil get suarez in time as the owners seem like not wanting to inject money invest on new players as promised to torres right before season start wit a cheeky 12.5m bid for suarez and then saying not tat they dun wan to buy but ajax dun sell... even wit adam's quality they only willing to pay 4.5m or so? tis is reali depressing.. hope torres makes up his mind and bang in goals for the rest of season and then see how far we can go next season...
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I thought Liverpool has agreed to 22.8m pounds for Suarez, no? I'm guessing they are negotiating on personal terms, now.

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If we lose torres, we lose reina. that's fact.
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post Jan 29 2011, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Mysterious Dr X @ Jan 29 2011, 11:04 AM)
If we lose torres, we lose reina. that's fact.
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Why so? Because both of them are Spaniard? I thought Torres was happy in Anfield. Never would have expected him to hand in a transfer request. shocking.gif
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QUOTE(skyz @ Jan 29 2011, 10:12 AM)
Alexis Sánchez to replace torres, anyone? hmm..
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sanchez is a winger no ? not exactly a no.9 but definitely one to keep an eye on. highly doubt he'll come to us tho unless we secure champs league spot.

this is really sad news for us fans...but no player is bigger than the club. for now, i'm resigned to seeing nando walking out of anfield, if nt in the coming days, surely this summer. funny how i tot dalglish would at least convinced him to stay for the minimum till end of this season, guess nando wants champs league football n it seems he was given assurances by roman that there will be cash injected into the chelsea team, smtg the same like being promised by roy that our team will be rebuilt last summer, so he's disillusioned. well i dont blame him considering our lacklustre displays this season. i think he wants to reignite his career.. but as most of u here, i would hate to see him leave, what more to chelsea ! cant imagine him walking out a blue come next sun. blues fans loathe him so much n now he wants to play for them ? doh.gif

if we are to let him go, i just hope we squeeze a min of 50mil pounds out of romans pocket. damn i hate him even more ! vmad.gif
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disappointed.....why he send the transfer request?
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QUOTE(normeck @ Jan 29 2011, 12:29 PM)
disappointed.....why he send the transfer request?
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probably his ultimatum about "buy new players, buy big stars or I leave" kind of a thing.

I think he just got what he wanted.

From a below 20M evaluation suddenly we suddenly agreed to a whooping 28.6Million for Suarez.

Ain't that a thing?


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Chelsea to make record £38m offer after Torres transfer request rejected


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Abramovich confident of signing striker and David Luiz / Liverpool sign Suarez while Spaniard makes for the exit

Liverpool last night rejected a transfer request from their Spanish striker Fernando Torres as Chelsea prepared to break the British record in a bid to bring him to Stamford Bridge.

The Anfield club's move is unlikely to deter Chelsea, however, as they know that Torres is keen to leave Merseyside.

The Premier League champions – who will offer Daniel Sturridge as a potential makeweight in the deal – have already seen two offers for the Spaniard turned down by the Liverpool board, but they are hopeful their third attempt of around £38m will be successful, particularly as Ajax yesterday accepted Liverpool's offer of £22.8m for Luis Suarez.

The Anfield club had hoped the Uruguayan striker Suarez would be a partner for Torres, but it looks likely that he will instead be the World Cup winner's replacement.

The Chelsea owner, Roman Abramovich, believes he can lure Torres to Stamford Bridge in the next three days despite Liverpool's intransigence because of Torres' desire to leave.

Chelsea first offered £28m earlier this week and then £35m but they were rebuffed by Liverpool who are keen to hold on to Torres, particularly with new manager Kenny Dalglish having only been in the job for a matter of weeks. Torres was unsettled in the summer but was talked into staying by the then managing director Christian Purslow. However, he now feels some assurances given to him at the time have been broken and he has informed the club's owner, the Fenway Sports Group, that he would like them to agree terms with Chelsea.

Representatives from Chelsea believe there is a good chance a deal will be struck, even though Liverpool are saying Torres is not for sale. Chelsea are prepared to offer striker Sturridge, valued at £5m, in part exchange. Liverpool enquired about taking the England under-21 striker on loan to Anfield in December, although that was before previous manager Roy Hodgson was sacked.

At the time Chelsea ruled out the deal, but are willing to use the 21-year-old as part of the Torres transfer. Abramovich is prepared to offer Torres a basic £160,000-a-week salary, plus bonuses and a substantial signing-on fee. Torres moved to Liverpool from Atletico Madrid in July 2007 for £23m, and has scored 81 goals in 142 appearances for the club.

Should the deal come off, it would break the British transfer record of £32.5m set when Manchester City signed the Brazilian Robinho from Real Madrid in August 2008.

It would also be by far the most stunning transfer of the eight years that Abramovich has been ruling the roost in SW6. At 26, Torres is in his prime and would be eligible to play in the Champions League. His first game for his new club could potentially be when Liverpool visit Stamford Bridge next weekend.

Chelsea's interest in Torres comes after the club suffered the worst run of results in more than a decade. Manager Carlo Ancelotti has said that his squad is strong enough to recover, but in private sources say he has been championing the need to strengthen.

The club have already lost out on £3m midfielder Steven Pienaar, who chose Tottenham over the defending champions when he moved from Everton, and are in danger of missing out on defender David Luiz, as negotiations with Benfica over the Brazilian's move to London have proved to be a long, drawn-out affair.

Chelsea are still confident of signing Luiz, despite claims from the Portuguese club that negotiations have broken down. Sources say Chelsea have offered £28m for the 23-year-old centre-half, who has recently broken into the Brazil team, but Benfica are demanding a further £4m to cover development fees to Luiz's former club Victoria da Bahia and commissions to the agents involved.

Benfica issued a statement on their website yesterday which read: "Negotiations between Benfica and Chelsea, with a view to the possible transfer of David Luiz, were concluded today without the parties having reached an agreement. Contrary to reports, David Luiz never tried to force his way out of the club and is a model professional."

Chelsea nevertheless seemed optimistic a deal could still be concluded before the window closes. It would be a remarkable piece of business if they could land both Torres and Luiz for a total of more than £60m in the next three days.

Ancelotti said yesterday that he is delighted the club is attempting to recruit such talents. In a sometimes tetchy press conference, Ancelotti was clearly uncomfortable fielding so many queries about Chelsea's moves in the transfer market. He wanted to talk about today's FA Cup fourth round tie at Everton, but the questions were all about Torres.

"The club is doing a fantastic job in this transfer market," he said. "It is not desperation. If we didn't buy, the squad would be good enough. We have fantastic strikers and midfielders also. We are looking not just for this season but for the future of the club."

Ancelotti added that he was sure he could fit Torres into his attack alongside Didier Drogba, even if it might upset Nicolas Anelka. "Drogba can play with anybody, including Torres. He doesn't have a problem. He has to play in front. But the pitch is wide," he said. "I don't have to say anything to Didier and Nicolas."

Liverpool hope the news that they have concluded a deal with Ajax for Suarez may convince Torres to stay. The 24-year-old Uruguayan will join next week subject to agreeing personal terms and passing a medical.

Liverpool initially offered £12.8m but after further negotiations involving Damien Comolli, Liverpool's director of football strategy, and the Ajax general manager, Rik van den Boog, in Amsterdam yesterday a deal was struck.

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 29 2011, 11:33 AM)
probably his ultimatum about "buy new players, buy big stars or I leave" kind of a thing.

I think he just got what he wanted.

From a below 20M evaluation suddenly we suddenly agreed to a whooping 28.6Million for Suarez.

Ain't that a thing?
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Why all of u people said they agree with suarez deal when torres submitted transfer request?

i thought they agreed with the deal on afternoon & torres handed a writing transfer request at the night?

Correct me if i'm wrong..
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Jan 29 2011, 11:20 AM)
sanchez is a winger no ? not exactly a no.9 but definitely one to keep an eye on. highly doubt he'll come to us tho unless we secure champs league spot.

this is really sad news for us fans...but no player is bigger than the club. for now, i'm resigned to seeing nando walking out of anfield, if nt in the coming days, surely this summer. funny how i tot dalglish would at least convinced him to stay for the minimum till end of this season, guess nando wants champs league football n it seems he was given assurances by roman that there will be cash injected into the chelsea team, smtg the same like being promised by roy that our team will be rebuilt last summer, so he's disillusioned. well i dont blame him considering our lacklustre displays this season. i think he wants to reignite his career.. but as most of u here, i would hate to see him leave, what more to chelsea ! cant imagine him walking out a blue come next sun. blues fans loathe him so much n now he wants to play for them ?  doh.gif

if we are to let him go, i just hope we squeeze a min of 50mil pounds out of romans pocket. damn i hate him even more !  vmad.gif
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yeaaa... 50m-60m in POUND for torres or GTFO... mancity cash ready for torres (they might offer 100m who noes... lol.. tevez unsettled in mancity rite?)
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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Jan 29 2011, 12:39 PM)
Why all of u people said they agree with suarez deal when torres submitted transfer request?

i thought they agreed with the deal on afternoon & torres handed a writing transfer request at the night?

Correct me if i'm wrong..
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Night: TOrres Submits transfer request.
Morning: Still negotiating from 12Million becomes "I'll Buy" at 28.6Million.


You see the point I'm trying to drive home here?
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was the initial bid 40m pounds + sturridge? i think that's not a bad deal tbh
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 29 2011, 11:49 AM)
Night: TOrres Submits transfer request.
Morning: Still negotiating from 12Million becomes "I'll Buy" at 28.6Million.
You see the point I'm trying to drive home here?
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hahaha.. they agreed the deal wit ajax straight after receiving call frm liverpool re torres's request... might happen at the same time
then official website announce good news 1st bout the signin, followed by the shocking torres news...
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 29 2011, 11:33 AM)
probably his ultimatum about "buy new players, buy big stars or I leave" kind of a thing.

I think he just got what he wanted.

From a below 20M evaluation suddenly we suddenly agreed to a whooping 28.6Million for Suarez.

Ain't that a thing?
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its 26m euro..bout 22m pound...and yeah i think the board knew bout torres want out..thats why they willing to up the bid for suarez..and the timing of the announcement was somewhat fishy...afternoon suarez deal agreed...at night liv announced torres has handed transfer request...who knows torres actually handed transfer request that early morning...but liv only announce it later last nite after the suarez deal agreed with ajax
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interesting times, indeed. anyhow no way Liverpool would let Torres out. What's more interesting is the fans' reaction to Torres after this...

btw I think everyone can see that the real intention of Torres handling out the transfer request is to force the owners to buy

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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 29 2011, 12:56 PM)
its 26m euro..bout 22m pound...and yeah i think the board knew bout torres want out..thats why they willing to up the bid for suarez..and the timing of the announcement was somewhat fishy...afternoon suarez deal agreed...at night liv announced torres has handed transfer request...who knows torres actually handed transfer request that early morning...but liv only announce it later last nite after the suarez deal agreed with ajax
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Its not the first time such a thing happened.

If it was leaked Ajax would have wanted 30-50M, but to be able to squeeze 28.6M is already bloodsucking.

Torres sees 'big signings' as part of a 'revolution'. He won't want to see himself fading into a 'trophyless' legend (despite him already winning the world cup)

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 29 2011, 12:03 PM)
Its not the first time such a thing happened.

If it was leaked Ajax would have wanted 30-50M, but to be able to squeeze 28.6M is already bloodsucking.

Torres sees 'big signings' as part of a 'revolution'. He won't want to see himself fading into a 'trophyless' legend (despite him already winning the world cup)
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wanna bet torres salary will be increased after this fiasco??? brows.gif
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Actually I do not know whether I should trust the 'Torres to hand in a transfer request' news. There isn't any quote that Torres has spoken in the news.
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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 29 2011, 12:06 PM)
wanna bet torres salary will be increased after this fiasco??? brows.gif
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i dun mind owner offer him an improved wage contract extension to 5 years + get out clause of 70m pound... 150,000 per week or higher perhaps?
since the few new signing in mancity are getting 200,000 m i right? rooney as well? brows.gif


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QUOTE(SkyHermit @ Jan 29 2011, 12:10 PM)
Actually I do not know whether I should trust the 'Torres to hand in a transfer request' news. There isn't any quote that Torres has spoken in the news.
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edy shown on official website wor... blink.gif

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QUOTE(SkyHermit @ Jan 29 2011, 12:10 PM)
Actually I do not know whether I should trust the 'Torres to hand in a transfer request' news. There isn't any quote that Torres has spoken in the news.
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It's already on the official website...and I dont rmb any transfer request news have quotes by the player...maybe in a few days he will speak to some media but I dont see any reason to doubt what's written on the official website especially with such magnitude

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