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goldfries
post Feb 11 2011, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(epo @ Feb 11 2011, 05:53 PM)
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my friend : we've shot food pics for more than a year, how about we move to the new level, shot insect?
me : yeah... sounds good, i also don't want to become pro 'food' pics for the rest of my life...
my friend : ok come on let's go, time to shopping 'macro' lens
me : errr... errr... how much the cheapest 'macro' lens?
my friend : i think around rm1k...
me : (in my heart, he are saying rm1k like rm10)...
my friend : so what you're waiting for...? you're expect to shot insect with your kitlens?
me : u go 1st laaa... i think i want to stick to food pics forever...

see how with limited gear will limit your skill...?

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epo, earlier on you were talking high end gear vs low end gear.

the above conversation is a totally different area of discussion already...........

which was already covered by myself more than a month ago. tongue.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 10 2011, 11:24 PM)
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don't buy how to improve skill? eg you want to learn macro, no macro lens how to learn macro? tongue.gif but that doesn't mean you buy the most expensive out there la. can settle with cheap ones also no issue. biggrin.gif
you talk a lot so far, but don't mind me asking - how much is your knowledge and experience in photography?

or are you just trashing out your thoughts? smile.gif
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post Feb 11 2011, 10:52 PM

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As long as the photography in you is not driven by money, then you will be fine smile.gif
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post Feb 12 2011, 09:56 PM

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epo, earlier on you were talking high end gear vs low end gear.
the above conversation is a totally different area of discussion already...........
eh correct kan? gear equal to body, lens, flash,etc
or are u refer to gear = body only? or lens only?
previous discussions covered body, lens & flash so i thought i'm in the right track...

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which was already covered by myself more than a month ago. tongue.gif

mind to share or show me the link... just want to know your thoughts...

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you talk a lot so far, but don't mind me asking - how much is your knowledge and experience in photography?
hahaha... this is the difficult part if you're talking in forum...
i can't say good then people will say "eksyen la luuu..."
neither say noob then then people will say "low profile la luuu..."
what is the best answer to describe your questions...???
but with low end gear, you should know the answer laaa... blush.gif

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As long as the photography in you is not driven by money, then you will be fine

yup... that's why until today my old car still in my house garage... not in used car garage rolleyes.gif

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post Feb 12 2011, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(epo @ Feb 12 2011, 09:56 PM)
eh correct kan? gear equal to body, lens, flash,etc
or are u refer to gear = body only? or lens only?
previous discussions covered body, lens & flash so i thought i'm in the right track...
where got correct? your earlier topic was saying low level gear cannot improve skill.

your further example was regarding no gear cannot improve skill, totally different thing and also an obvious one, which i already quoted you what i mentioned a month ago.

QUOTE(epo @ Feb 12 2011, 09:56 PM)
mind to share or show me the link... just want to know your thoughts...


no link. already quoted what i mentioned a month ago for you. you can browse earlier pages.


QUOTE(epo @ Feb 12 2011, 09:56 PM)
hahaha... this is the difficult part if you're talking in forum...
i can't say good then people will say "eksyen la luuu..."
neither say noob then then people will say "low profile la luuu..."
what is the best answer to describe your questions...???
but with low end gear, you should know the answer laaa...  blush.gif
so simple question you typed so many lines to answer, smile.gif anyway i just asking to understand you better.

anyway i've said enough, it's either you understand or you don't.
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post Feb 12 2011, 11:06 PM

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Low profile not = noob, shame

Not everyone in low budget can't shoot great photos, remember that

If you mind ppl say you Low budget Low profile, Laugh at your gear and you think your self noob cannot get great photos with low gear then better quit smile.gif
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QUOTE(epo @ Feb 11 2011, 05:53 PM)
hahaha... u think the above bugs u alone? it also bugs me & i think it's bugs me more than u feel... lucky i can accept the fact, otherwise i need to sell my old car to expand my skill abilities...

i've also admit that pics taken by goldfries was awesome with kitlens but how about below examples...

my friend : we've shot food pics for more than a year, how about we move to the new level, shot insect?
me : yeah... sounds good, i also don't want to become pro 'food' pics for the rest of my life...
my friend : ok come on let's go, time to shopping 'macro' lens
me : errr... errr... how much the cheapest 'macro' lens?
my friend : i think around rm1k...
me : (in my heart, he are saying rm1k like rm10)...
my friend : so what you're waiting for...? you're expect to shot insect with your kitlens?
me : u go 1st laaa... i think i want to stick to food pics forever...

see how with limited gear will limit your skill...?

so when i read people writing that "no need high end gear, standard gear can capture nice pics already"... actually they're not telling the truth, they're just want to cool u down so u don't feel ashamed with your standard gear...
yes i'm happy with what i'm have but a bit dissapointed coz i can't expand my skill abilities with current gear...
i repeat again, no hurt feeling just want to hear/share a thought...
wow i thought max kitlens can go up to 55/70mm max, how he can get a close to the action shot? walk inside the field?
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I agree with you that upgrading gear does makes your do more than what you have currently.
But I also believe that with what you have, what you can do still a lot.
I have using my 50mm 1.8 (nikkor) around 5 years for food, product and wedding photographing, it is for sure lots of limitation happen, but I still can do a lot using the lens I have. Despite some draw back of the focal length (as I use D90, 50mm become 75mm), until today I still think that there are more I can do and I not yet discover.

I can buy any FF at anytime, is just my opinion is greater gear which come too early to me might kill off my creativity as I too rely on the gear as a "shortcut" to fulfill my work.
Is just like photoshop, I only start using photoshop after 1.5 years of shooting with DSLR, I dun want photoshop to kills of my effort of creativity in shooting.

I've met few people (really few and not many), using DSLR (non-full frame), with equally low end lens, shooting a studio style product shooting, with no softbox, lightbox, and anything studio equipment, only with one flash and a self made small "studio box", and somemore the product is quite a very long size item.

Photography is a picture in your heart, gears are pencil to help you draw out.
A better pencil draw better, faster, and prettier, but a better pencil can't draw a better concept of art.

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post Jun 8 2014, 04:04 PM

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Some concept need a better equipment to fulfill, like the movie Avatar, the director waits many years until the CG graphic technology mature and advance till the level that could do his movie, only that time the movie is born.

The question is, do you have such genuine and brilliant idea?
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Guys... IMHO, just go out there and shoot something with what you have. Then you'll learn the true meaning of photography. If you can live with your current gear, so be it. Ignore anyone questioning your gears and limitations. I did that and it feels gooood. smile.gif
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post Jun 11 2014, 07:46 AM

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I think the most important is skill rather then gear hihi 😉

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