Hi all,

I am just into the world of DSLR and puzzling the real intention of many enthusiast photographer. The Ultimate purpose of having a DSLR is to capture some nice images or all about the photography gear? Auntie, uncle, dad, mom, granny all holding a DSLR nowdays, why? Enthusiast need L lens or full frame camera? really puzzling me alot, but this industry is thriving like nobody business. An enthusiast or leisure photo takers like me and many others why should we buy a profesional level type of gear? Someone may say better quality, less CA, less pupple fringing, etc or they just wanted to gratify their craze on this gizmos. I know buying gear is kinda fun but what is the puspose of having such a top notch gears ending all theirs picture uploaded to facebook, flicker,etc. OR should spend more effort to learn, develop and appreciate photography instead of spending thousands on the gear.
I reckon photography is a very subjective piece of art like painting, music, dancing, acting, etc. (different ppl may have different comment or idea on your photo) and with todays technology i beleive photography is among the easiest to learn or start with in comparison to the others, agree? Not agree? hahaha! or at least the one with less effort but can produce some immediate result, sounds better huh? go out and survey how many of your friends/ colegue/ relative owning a DSLR? vs how of them can/ appreciate paint, play a music instrument, dance, etc.

Please ignore the above if you feel it is annoying to you.

This post has been edited by bluesfingers: Jan 10 2011, 06:16 PM

This is what I just posted on Nikon thread (this morning).
a very wise man told me a comparison of picaso and engineer man.



To draw a good picture with a perfect technique engineer man will be able to do the job as their best.
however to draw a mad art work of art picaso still at his best.
and he doubt giving picaso a better brush and canvas will affect the drawing quality.

so it's all come back to you.
what are you??

for me personally the mad artist picaso produce a better product compared to perfect technique picture of an engineer.

some statements from pro which might be able to back me up
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/notcamera.htm
http://thephotoletariat.com/good-photograp...bout-the-story/

The original sentence of the wise man that I told you:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry38997572

This post has been edited by aldosoesilo: Jan 10 2011, 06:29 PM

i never have thoughts that photography is something that is easy to learn. It is a delicate art of its own which requires years of practise hardwork and perserverance to achieve the final result. It's easy for a layperson to say... Well he got expensive dslr and gears to produce such picture. But believe me, any good photographers, they have put in so much thoughts in their work, to produce the best combination of light, composition, feel and more. It takes a lot of sacrifice to get the results you want. Not as easy as one thinks.

I can't say that gears are not important. For anyone who are serious to learn up photography, a decent DSLR or an SLR in the old days has become a de facto standard, as it allows the user to be able to go manual, at least for like 10 years ago. Nowadays, anyone can also go for manual on prosumer pns... and can be a good camera to learn as well..

To me the same question still remains. Will the gears improve my photography? Well, the answer can be yes in some aspects. I can get very good creamy bokeh. IQ very good that it produce some outstanding results. But then, am i keep thinking about gears to solve some of the camera limitation that i may have missed out certain areas of photography that i have missed out with current gears. Owning a new gear sure is nice. But being able to pick up a new skill to be added to your creative toolbox is equally as satisfying.


This post has been edited by geekster129: Jan 10 2011, 07:06 PM

I somehow agree and disagree to what you have stated, photography is not an easy thing to learn. However, camera do have limitations. Says, I am using 18-55mm kit.

For example:
1. How do you produce a smooth and nice bokeh when you shoot portrait using a kit lens 18-55mm? For someone out there, maybe you can, but at least, I can't but I am happy with my result.
2. Everyone's unique, and so do their state of art. Someone out there may prefers bokeh, some may prefers sharp on whole picture. It just depends.
3. Even you have IS / VC on 18-55mm, you can hardly get a nice picture under extreme low light condition. That's why you need a larger aperture lens, or a flash unit.
4. A L lens consists of high quality glasses - fluorite. It's true that a L lens can guarantee your IQ, if and only if you know how to shoot a nice picture.

Enough for now. Can't think of others.

This post has been edited by AronC: Jan 10 2011, 06:40 PM

Both has to be good to get a good image - the pohtographer and the gears. There is no way a good photographer can create a good image with a cap ayam camera fitted with a cap itik lens.

So the first step is to have a good gear. If you still have a poor image like mine, then the problem is not the gear but the photographer.

are you sure?
entry levle camera + kit lens can do magic you know

how about a good picture of high end body + high end lenses vs. entry level camera + kit lens? there is a limitation of one can do I'm siding with AronC's statement on this topic

define your good picture.
if our definition good picture is the same thing.
I would say it is possible for entry level + kit lens to actually stepping over high end body+lens

Ok, interesting topic

I would like to see the differences between:-

1) 5DMKII on a 24-105mm L lens
VS
2) 1000D on a 18-55mm lens

Given all settings remain the same. Anyone can share??

Where is goldfries...

I don't see why most of professionals prefer high end body then. Name me 1 professional photographer that still uses entry level body and a kit lens for his serious photoshoot like headshots, modelling and etc etc ?

This post has been edited by ComradeZ: Jan 10 2011, 08:02 PM

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Added on January 10, 2011, 8:00 pmhttp://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/notcamera.htm
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/not-about-your-camera.htm

Walker Evans once said "People always ask me what camera I use. It's not the camera, it's - - - " and he tapped his temple with his index finger.

Jesus Christ's dad Joseph built a masterpiece of a wooden staircase in a church in New Mexico in 1873, and does anyone care what tools he used? Search all you want, you'll find plenty of scholarly discussion but never of the tools.

http://www.outdooreyes.com/aboutcamera.php3

If you can shoot well, all you need is a disposable, toy camera or a camera phone to create great work. If you're not talented, it doesn't matter if you buy a Nikon D3X or Leica; your work will still be uninspired.

Why is it that with over 60 years of improvements in cameras, lens sharpness and film grain, resolution and dynamic range that no one has been able to equal what Ansel Adams did back in the 1940s?

Kenrockwell pretty much answer the question.

This post has been edited by aldosoesilo: Jan 10 2011, 08:00 PM

Well... a good picture don't necessarily have to be tack sharp or bokeh-licious.

Just from some random google search

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/01/02/13-pho...nged-the-world/

Of course thats not saying that we don't want better gear lar.. we all do but until then.. live with what u have

Hahahah...

Then I don't see a reason why you want to update your gears in the next 5 years? You haven't really learn the limitation of your own gear, that is why you are saying things like this but once you learn it, you'll be craving to upgrade for a better equipment.

I myself, used to play with my dad's nikon film camera but hey, it have limitation. That is why, I get myself a 550d and maybe if I want more than just entry level camera, I'll upgrade again. Those kind of saying can't be applied with what the advancement technology have to give.

Yes, you can take a good picture with just a film camera, but what will happen when you use high end body dslr and a really good lens? isn't it become better? or worse? tell me now, sir. Why shouldn't people upgrade?

This post has been edited by ComradeZ: Jan 10 2011, 08:09 PM

OMG.. I didn't expect that. A Ken Rockwell quote

Might not solve the question at hand but its related somehow

wahlau, digest what you read a bit, don't blindly accept what you read. and especially if what you're reading has 'kenrockwell' in the URL.

I kinda L.O.L till tip off my chair

this is a good example

rofl, I think KTCY never give him proper explanation regarding the infamous Ken Rockwell

main reason i got a DSLR is for low noise capability.
theres only so much a PnS can do in low light.

I'm seeing Ken Rockwell all over the place.. where's Jared Polin and Chase Jarvis???

This post has been edited by geekster129: Jan 10 2011, 08:31 PM