dont want to be rude, but i dont think theres money to be made if a gaming company in malaysia creates a hi end video game that could rival the graphic and quality of AAA games or even a simple game that is.

the answer is easy, how many people's gonna buy the product? malaysia only have a population of 28 million, its a democratic country with a yearly capita of $7000 per person, and video games piracy is treated by law as non serious.

if i were you guys, and im good at making video games, i just going to create simple ones just for the fun of it. and then use the games i develop as part of my resume so i can work overseas.

its been said many times in this thread, but why'd you have to sell it ONLY in malaysia??

Some people don't realise the changes in the video game industry and the trends. They are just casual observers. So they still think making a game/product means selling in that region.

I'm strictly referring to coding. There is hardly any grunt work in coding. In Art, you can always start with props etc. In coding there is no props. areszues92 was asking about coding specifically. Btw, you have to double check what they meant by the word 'decent'. Because I'm pretty sure he meant what I think he meant, 'portfolio' .... that's what I've been talking about as well. Most students only have Final Year Project as portfolio and very little of nothing else.

yep... can sell internationally nowadays... provided your game is good enough to make it

saw your team's game on moddb.. looks pretty sweet, keep it up man

1:plan to make fps game about japan's invasion in malaysia/previous military crisis
2: put a lotta patriotic themes in it
3:pitch game to gomen saying its 1malaysia, etc
4:get fund
5: hire programmers, codemasters, 3d artists, etc
6:set minimum wage to rm1600
7:create game
8:port it to consoles
9:sell to whole south east asia, pop est: 593,000,000
10: notice gaming piracy in malaysia
11:force gomen to take action as the industry has been set locally.

whats left are only guts and diligence. anyone else dare to take the challenge?

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This post has been edited by kairin85: Mar 18 2011, 01:35 AM

there's no need 1Malaysia or political agenda in pitching a game.

we pitched for a fully western game and still got a grant in building the game. it's not a full grant but a prototype grant, enough to get us started.
I don't know about the rest, MDec and Cradle is indeed genuine in helping the industry.

we already took up the challenge; it's not easy and are hoping more Malaysians with relevant skill would come on board with us.

This post has been edited by frozenfire: Mar 18 2011, 01:36 AM

*cough*democratic?*cough* Constitutional monarchy is a more suiting term to describe our government.

Also, internet works wonders when it comes to game publishing. Not every copy comes with a physical box.

This is somewhat of a lie. I know so because i know the dirty little secrets in Codemasters here. It is an incompent company with one of the worst managment ever. They proclaim that they are looking for people with talent but in true nature they don't give a shit. Its not because they don't want to hire talented individuals, its because talented individuals don't want to work for them (there is a reason). I have heard one too mnay things coming out from that studios and most are just pure BS. If they ever had a chance to produce a good game, they will ussually end up short. Our Codemasters here only knows how to make racing games, and they should just do that and only that.

Say what you will about my rant. If you have time, take a walk into their developent department, you will have a fine understanding of what i mean.

Our Codemasters here doesn't even do games. They do assets development.

Codemaster malaysia team, doing artwork, sound engineering and some minor roles. most of the work done by Codemaster UK team. U can check it in the credits in dirt 2, dirt3, F1

aiyoh, all racing games, looks like i guess right.

First, as noted. CODEMASTERS KL DO NOT PRODUCE GAMES. THEY MANAGE ASSET DEVELOPMENT. Sound and art assets to be exact. THEY DON'T. I REPEAT. DON'T MAKE GAMES ON THEIR OWN.

Secondly, Codemasters KL doesn't direct or produce the games directly. HOW WOULD YOU END UP MAKING A GAME SHORT OF IT'S EXPECTATIONS WHEN IT'S NOT EVEN MADE BY THEM?

Lastly, games development for bigger companies are already hell, it's a given in the industry. I'm not sure what stories you've heard, but if you're just going to come in here and badmouth a studio without appropriate proof, do it in a kopitiam instead of bringing nothing valid into a discussion.

You already stated they don't produce games la. I just saying a part of the fact is that i claimed they did racing games more. And you just said they helped with asset from those racing games. Its about half truth. No argues there. But what i hear about Codemaster in KL is that it has some major problems, not only with management, but also in terms of "AHEM". Not sure when you know Codemasters or are you new there, but they have something in they want to keep secret.

Its already a close and shut case. But if you want to continue i can also. "Don't blame me if i start saying what comes to mind, its over, done"

But generaly, yeah, we don't have any chance in competing with any overseas studiuos when it comes to making games. Hell, even china beat us already. Grats to cheap ass studios who pay slave labour. Even a shop assisant also earn RM500 only less then a specialist in that feild.

Why do we fail in this? Because we have dumb ass bosses who go out and offer low rates to get business because they beleive it can be done. When the budget blow, they blame the staff (this is not Codemasters, other companies).

This post has been edited by meetxj9: Mar 18 2011, 03:31 PM

meetxj9,

care to elaborate on the problem? im pretty curios about it

codemasters kl was setup around 2006, focussing mainly on art assets... but i heard they are trying to expand the role of the studio here
they did produce assets for other than racing games as well... operation flashpoint. currently also involved with bodycount, an fps

Its something i cannot say, but anyone who have worked for Codemasters for the past 2 years or so, will know what im getting at. The initail arguement i was getting at was there was no company in Malaysia that have the capability of actually making a full fledge game that will get praises. Maybe some FB games, or gambling games maybe. But never a AA title. The problem we face, is that we have texture artist and modelers by the hundreds, but not enough good animators. Modelers and animators are not the same people .2 different roles. Those who actually had the talent to make it are in singapore or overseas already, not willing to come back because of the ridiculous low pay.

The job is hard and satisfying, but if companies are not willing to accept the fact that its specialize profession, something that deserves way more then a pea size pay of RM2000 (Beginner), then whats the point? You guys will earn triple that amount or more outside. I quit production houses once i matured out of my naive state, that even a shop assistant with commision can earn RM2400 a month. A total embarassment to the creative field. And thats why the companies will never retain good talent. If they do, then i say the guy doesn't know the golden nugget is just a phone call away.

In short, we got independent talent, you will only earn 1/3 of what your suppose to get, you might aswell keep your college funds to yourself~

Now before one guy say, "You don't deserve more because you are new" excuse. Here is what is happening, if you are willing to earn such a low pay, and still be happy with it, then its fine. But remmeber, even a noob in that industry, earns way more then a veteran here if your employed in AUS or Canada or etc. You are not suppose to be getting "monkey job" pay.

This post has been edited by meetxj9: Mar 18 2011, 06:07 PM

That's the whole point of outsourcing.

Exactly The illusion we have here is that many believe that they are getting what they deserve, but in reality, your earning is no better then a braindead employee working at a perfume counter. Welcome to real world!!

This post has been edited by meetxj9: Mar 18 2011, 07:06 PM

what to expect when your are the outsource team. if u demand alot, management will just abandon your team and seek out alternative teams. Similar case with Intel leaving MY. When it come to Globalization, Malaysian seem to be uncompetitive.

At least codemaster decided to provide jobs in MY. From what i know, not even 1 foreign AA game titles dared to touch MY. All i have seen MY game development team is only for MMORPG.

@killy

operation flash point:DR is not done by any MY team. or it wasnt listed in the credits. not too sure about the new one.

This post has been edited by y3ivan: Mar 18 2011, 07:28 PM