let's discuss about the prediction, review, match analysis and everything about the upcoming match

lets hope the best team wins

road to final

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 09:14 AM

there's already a thread bro

all discussed it here;

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1641559

that thread is just for malaysian football team bro...i just trying to make this topic more focused to the final match ahead

also if we are talking about indonesian football team, ithink that would be out of topic

ok suits you. I dono if the mods will approve this thread or not...already told you

yeah..i leave it up to the mods...sorry if my topic doesn't suit you

honestly somebody in malaysian football thread encouraged me to make this thread

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 07:28 AM

i am trying to be neutral you know

its a malaysian forum anyway

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 07:47 AM

why dont u just discuss at kaskus?

i know there will be flamebait coming soon from ur kaskus crew.

support the new thread. one-off and special occasion.

i dont belong to kaskus
you can leave now if you dont like my topic

the mod can delete the thread if they feel the same

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 08:05 AM

i also support this occasional one-off thread.... The Indonesians propably wont feel as much free with their opinion in the Malaysia Football Talks.. a neutral venue like this probably much better

i also would welcome well-mannered Indonesian poster like pengganyang and several others to this forum...though the thread avatar is outdated. There are 2010 version out there..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 20 2010, 09:11 AM

hahaha i didn't notice the avatar ...right i 'll fix it soon


done...




do malaysian have any ineligible players due to yellow cards??

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 09:21 AM

im a diehard MALAYSIA fan... but this i had to admit that indonesia had the meanest defend in this year tournament.. i think it wil be a low score final...

they have the best midfield and the most clinical attack... but they certainly not the meanest defense.... we are

we had scored against them in the first match and Markus Harrison need a lot of on the line backup from his defenders.. they very organized in covering up Markus's flaps as if they already trained them viciously in the training ground

indonesia to beat malaysia again.

Watching the game last night, the Indo's are a threat going forward, especially with Okto down the left flank. Gonzales is a great striker and I don't care if he's from Uruguay or Timbuktu or what, the fact is he's dangerous.

Agreed that Indonesia's backline looks suspect in the air, while the keeper looks a bit shaky last night, so hopefully we can bombard the Indonesian penalty box with long, high balls.

I suppose our best chance is to look for the counter attack and please please please please work on our long outlet pass to the flanks or to the forwards. Versus Vietnam, our long balls really lacked accuracy.

looking using 'glass half full' glasses - our bad long balls are actually good defensive clearence...

i dont think we can improve more from what we have seen in both matches vs Vietnam... RG can only work on that after the tournament...

okto is good in the first match and vs laos..

but i think he is getting more egoistic..rather than making good cross, he was trying to take a shoot from a difficult angle


IMO, malaysian have to do something with firman utina and ahmad bustomi..they are the main supplier for gonzales

agrees with you.. Razman Roslan was only starting his pre-season training with Selangor when he was called up as an ad-hoc replacement at right back.. he is not match-fit and sharp enough to handle full paced Okto in the first match.... as you might aware, he no longer plays any part in the games after that.. so things will go differently in the left hand channel of yours.. i hope Mahali will be clever to lure Okto to do his safe hushed cross and tight angle shots instead of passing to centre to Bustomi, Firman and Gonzalez. That is what Ridwan does on the right, and thats why, on my eyes, Ridwan is more dangerous than Okto....

good in defense..but have to slowly pass the ball and build up box to box play.........always whack the ball up...then striker run like headless chicken....

alamak pak cik ni sangat faham tim indonesia

lets look at the 5th goal indonesia vs malaysia first match....where was the defender who supposed to close Okto down? i mean Okto was so free to make a good cross...

best cross from him so far...


the 3rd goal was a good 1-2 passing from bustomi and ridwan... pakcik benar

netral thread huh?


For Malaysian team :
I've seen your game since the 1st match, please.. train your defender to be more responsive, especially for those who get Left - Center positions..

Safee : try to lose some weight please, it may help you to increase your agility..

Coach : Please don't make a boring match like MLY-VIE (Away)..park a bus in the defenders line...9 people try to defend?

last but not least, please give us a good game

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buat indo,

itu si ridwan ganti arif aja nape..he is such a selfish player..
markus dodol...moga2 final leg 1 dganti dah tu si botak..

:D:D

maybe, the quality of the cross took our defense, keeper and OKTO HIMSELF by surprise

thats a typical beaten team defending... physical and mentally shredded to pieces... you wont find that mistake happen again in the final... ask Vietnam 2009 Sea games squad on tips how to face us again after they have beaten us the first round

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Added on December 20, 2010, 10:59 amif you only treat this game as only some sort of entertainment than i can only say good luck to you

we will only do what's best for our team to win. Whether you entertained or not by seeing it is not even a factor in the back of our mind.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 20 2010, 11:01 AM

hey Brother! gue ngak suka loe punya user name? bisa tukar ngak??
Ini forum malaysia, sila hormati kami.. tapi gue tetap coba menjawab soalan kamu..
Tiket hanya dijual pada Jumat di Stadium kami.
kali ini ada kelaian pada Timnas kami..

kalau ko datang nak mintak tolong dengan user name camtu ko pergi je la mintak tolong dgn PSSI.. kami bagi sikit, pandai2 la ko berebut. tikett local untuk local portion only....

careful with ur post, some indonesian football team staff may inspect this thread

i can only wish Indonesian football team are filled with staff who depends on fans opinion in free internet forum to chart out their game plan

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM

dont care we win or not but reachin to final is oredi a good news for us

tiket final nanti main jual je ataupun jual ikut supporter negara?

this.

i didnt expect attractive game from our team. winning (with fairplay) are the sole objective.

though i have to to admit, i didnt like our gameplay in Vietnam. even after Vietnamese played with 10 men, we still on ultra defensive mode. but that 'coward' tactic produced at least 2 golden chances, far better than almost none (or 1) Vietnamese had in 90 minutes.

so it proved Rajagopal did something right, and our players executed the tactic very well. i want the result (and fairplay), best effort from the players, and no tragic incident occur to the spectators. entertainment are the least i want from Malaysian team this weeks.

Malaysia Boleh.

This post has been edited by dundermifflin: Dec 20 2010, 12:05 PM

haha if you dont like one of us for being here or feels that one of us is flaming just report them to the mods...me myself, i think i 've done my best following the rules ...

honestly i just want to share the upcoming match with you guys in a FOOTBALL -minded conversation...it's all that i want


sedikit saran dari saya : just report/ignore the flamers and back to the game

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 12:05 PM

just like what i thought before..it's almost impossible to create a "netral thread"..there so many flamers in the both side.

Yes, we are higher....but we can beat Thailand which more higher than us....so, my question, where is your spirit?
import player..not players..only one, C.Gonzales.
import coach.......if i'm not mistaken, in 2004 malaysia's coach was Hungarian

indogs? no..we are garuda

Everyone talk about Gonzales but forget about Irfan Bachdim
gonzalez lack pace, muslim and fadhli shas can handle him, in air or on low ground balls

irfan play. we need amar rohidan sit back man mark him

u talking abt Malaysia team ? if yes, r u just using your judgment based on the 2nd leg game against Vietnam ?

lol i like your statement here...can i quote your statement at my siggy??

well, gonzalez has amazing physique, and amazing, i really mean holy crap he's on steroids kind of physique. easy to push people around.

+1

despite all the criticism on the long balls and men behind balls tactics, we still have the better chance on both games against vietnam....

as i can see all through this tournaments, this fleet-footed teams like Laos, Thai and Vietnam come out all gun blazing in the first half, but lost their game plan in the second half.. probably because of irritation with our stubborn defense....

if the indons are smart, the will counter this by another boring tactic of passing the ball among the center backs to lure us out... then, it will be a test of patience on who keeps to their game plan better..

of course Indon can only do it in Bukit Jalil..they will be slaugtered by their own fans if they do that in GBK...

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Added on December 20, 2010, 12:49 pmwe handled a lot of Irfan in Thailand, Laos and Vietnam.... but Gonzalez is a tricky customer... you can easily be duped by that lump of meat.. he has a knack of not wasting anything that that comes his way (on the football pitch and probably on the dinner table also )..... you all might notice that Khairul Fahmi has been impeccable with his handling so far in this tournament... but we have to consider that all tries are close to him.... he only have to stretch a bit on long shots...even so, nothing is too much dangerous so far... and our defense has been allowing Thais and Vietnam to take long shot because they sucks about it... but that might change with Gonzales around... he has the ability to place his headers and and shots to the far corner out of keeper reach... and his long shots are no mean feat also...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 20 2010, 02:32 PM

actually, boaz salossa is the one that considered as the best striker in indonesia...not CG ...

dont forget bambang pamungkas20 too..the top goalscorer for indonesian national team..

IMHO, CG is the slowest among the indo's strikers

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 12:56 PM

well the thing is, boaz salossa isn't playing, we arent discussing who is better but about how to counter CG's threat.

in my opinion, if we cant beat CG on strength in jostling with the ball, nor stop him from shooting, the best way is to try stop him from getting the ball. need someone with endless stamina to stick to him, and when opportunity arises beat him to intercept a pass to him, since he lack pace. in other words, annoy the hell out of him by sticking to him 24/7

but in saying that Indonesia team also have other dangers so a tricky situation indeed. and i still believe Bambang is a threat as well, a totally different one from CG.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 20 2010, 01:00 PM

I honestly hope this thread can be like the World Cup threads we had earlier this year.

Everyone please be respectful of each other. Please abide by forum rules, e.g. no name calling, etc.

Really, with 4 one on ones against 9 men towards the end, they should've scored at least one goal.

Btw, the final is over two legs ar? Not neutral venue?

That means who has the home ground in the second leg will have a bigger advantage right?

Anyways, I don't have high hopes for this match. I just hope the team puts up a respectable fight. That's all.

i don't think our rapidly-improved muslim and fadhli can handle el loco gonzales when high cross came in. they are not good in that really

bye bye

*Sighhh, such mentality

world cup thread is nothing compared to this aff suzuki cup thread because world cup has nothing to do with us actually

ni msti dupe or yang sewaktu dgnnya.

If i meet u in stadium! it would be a nightmare for you! damn you...

Guys, remember.

DO NOT feed the troll. We will take the trash out according to schedule.

Don't waste your time on trash.

impossible la....how can a 14 year old (2 and a half months in troll's year) go Bukit Jalil? mak bapak tak bagi pergi...

how's bambang playing in selangor?

nowadays some people in indonesia are beginning to distrust his capability due to his age...

2 goals from 2 penalties so far...yet i think he's still a legend..at least this can be a good motivation to the other members


and i think bambang and CG are similiar type of striker

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 01:17 PM

Guys, any news when can start to buy the tickets?

pelik bila g kaskus asal ramai orang indonesia kt dalam 2 sumpah seranah Malaysia. Pdahal dari segi ekonomi dan kemanusiaan Malaysia selalu tolong Indonesia, Indonesia pn tolong Malaysia. Nmpknya aku kne belajar Sejarah Tanah Melayu ni.

dhla off topic pulak.

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Added on December 20, 2010, 1:20 pmmaybe friday?

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Dec 20 2010, 01:20 PM

bambang was a hit for the selangor fans back then, him and Elie Aiboy really bright up their season, a winning one as well.

and yes he is indeed a legend for the Indonesia team. I heard that the reason why he was on bench now is because CG is in the team? wonder how he feels, if it was me i will feel a certain "penjajahan" at a personal level

it's all up to the coach...

but IMO,
every teams in south east asia have already know about him..how to deal with him...

so bringing up CG as a starting eleven can be a tactical surprise...


i'm wondering if bambang will play with irfan for the 1st leg final...that would be a good alternatives..


do malaysian national team squad already know how to deal with bambang? i mean,...bambang played in malaysia so i think mereka juga sudah faham lah

This post has been edited by pengganyang: Dec 20 2010, 01:35 PM

malaysia have good players like safee & kuna.

both of them have good skills and individuals..

other side

indonesia have fast winger like okto and ridwan..with danger striker: gonzales,irfan,bambang..

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salam to all fans in both country

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Added on December 20, 2010, 2:02 pmwell tak semua Indonesian is junker/flamer..

several of them still got friendship with malaysian oso

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=6160306


check the above topic

This post has been edited by lezciel: Dec 20 2010, 02:03 PM

how to buy the ticket for this final ya?

nice thread. I think the situation in the past was blown out of proportion. If you come to my place there are many Indonesian contractor. They are friendly and reliable. It is a win-win situation for both party.

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Added on December 20, 2010, 2:26 pmbuy straight from Bukit Jalil counter.

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Dec 20 2010, 02:26 PM

me also..

have many friends in malaysia..

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in my opinion,,mostly kaskuser is very young ages..they still not yet met the real people in malaysia.. same other with people in lowyat.. so they're easy to provoke by 1-2 disgraced people that always throw the bad opinions..

but many peoples in that kaskus tread shared their good opinion about their personal experience with malaysian people..

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i hope all kaskuser can read that tread..

FYI, mayoritas kaskuser itu rata-rata berusia 11-23 tahun jadi harap faham lah jikalau mereka masih banyak yang belum well-mannered dan terkesan kekanak-kanakan

thats wat i said before..

mereka gampang ter provokasi..

kalau tread itu banyak yang mengejek, mereka pun ikut mengejek.

kalau tread itu banyak yang memuji merekapun ikut memuji..


they're really easy to be provoked by 1-2 people that dont have good opionion about something

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This post has been edited by lezciel: Dec 20 2010, 03:17 PM

so you are responsible for your own countrymen. not us.

moh sembahyang hajat bersama-sama~

to be honest,bambang was great in his first season.but suddenly in his second season with us,he became nobody.if im not mistaken,he whines about his paycheck then FAS didn't continue his contract.he and aiboy left after two seasons.i gotta admit,he's great back then.him,brian fuentes and aiboy lead us to the treble winning season.but after that,it's all dust until last 2-3 seasons.

i wonder there will be separation of supporter or not later on at stadium ?
if not will be bit chaotic, we do kknow also so many indonesian work here who might watch aswell


guys, please comment respectively, do not trash talking here, strictly about football

iianm there will always be separation of supporters , even during local competition games , fans were separated accordingly .

winning the 1st leg is crucial for us , while in 2nd leg just do the same tactics in vietnam . hopefully the team will perform , keep the fighting spirit , dicipline and not wasting chances like in the vietnam game .

Selamat Berjuangg !!

Going with some of my friends. Lost my voice for the Vietnam match so I doubt I can shout much. Vuvuzela can ah?

Anyways let's have a good time at Bukit Jalil. Win or loose, we already made it this far with this kids who are supposed to go to the finals in 2012, NOT 2010. We should already be proud no matter what

Great to heard that bro, so the ticket will sold separately ? or like what ya ?

thanks for the info

M'sian team changed a lot after the first match..
against Indonesia for the first game, they wasn't using their first GK
and they look nervous, as a young player, thats a common thing
I wish the best to both team for the good of the game

Harimau team vs. Garuda team, can you expect for a better game?

actually, my heart already blunt on the 'game' side of this match....The last group game was really a mental roller coaster.....nothing can top the emotional meltdown i had when referee in the Indonesia game blown the final whistle...

with the average age of this squad and the lost of key players and all, their performance against Indonesia in the first match arguably reflect the realistic expectation we can have on them..

to qualify to the semi-finals is already a somewhat mini-miracle. .... they somehow grew mid-tournament... to reach the final is beyond any humanly-possible calculation before the tournament... certainly not after the first match...

i have no expectation whatsoever...win,lose or draw....if they play their hearts out without regrets already fine by me...if they not, they'd better be come 2012

on the other hand, i am looking forward to the 'supporting' side of this game. ... i will sing.. jump ...dance...the whole 90 minutes.... the players are having their moment on the field... this is my moment in the stands....thanks you players for giving us this gift... i fantasize, hoping, bleeding for at least 1 match at Bukit Jalil... ... but you gave us 2 ... in the final some more.. when is the last time you are involved in a competitive final match involving Malaysia at home?... this is history in the making.. should we won it for the first time ever, i want to tell my grandchildren that i was there....

heheh.. good luck to us all....

FIxed.

Well as for me, i hope the best team wins. Regardless of any team, to tell the truth I already feel very glad our team
already in Semi Finals There were not much hopes for team until we beaten Vietnam to be honest.
Let the Finals be a great Finals for both teams, and hopefully nobody especially the fans get injured during the Finals.

After all, we are serumpun... No matter how much we hate each other, we still like brothers
Good luck to both teams!

i agree with above..

I've watch some of the matches Malaysia and Indonesia played

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Malaysia possession are not that great compared to Indonesia, but in defence wise, I have trust on the lineup that K "Arsene Wenger" Rajagopal thrust.

Striker wise, I feel Indonesia is much superior than ours.

For Malaysia to win this game, they must defence as 1 unit, attack as 1 unit. The game against Vietnam(1st leg) shows how defensive Malaysia could be and launch a counter attack from nowhere.

I believe Indonesia will still be favorite but the ball is round.
Malaysia must concentrate on defence and work as a team. Chase all the ball and retain possession whenever they could as long as possible.

Malaysia must keep an eye on the Wingers and Strikers. That dude is monster. His eye for goal is remarkable.

Good luck for both team, and Malaysia Boleh!

If look carefully how our team go through this tournament, it almost similar our script in SEA Games last year. We lost our first match against Vietnam, win against Laos in semi-final in front of their crowd and beat Vietnam in the Final.

I hope our players can make the history again. Lets show our support to Malaysia football!!!

our defender really need to be solid dealing with this fellow cristian gonzales

how much is the ticket price for this sundays finale?

sory.. gue edit deh..

This post has been edited by Shantika: Dec 20 2010, 11:46 PM

cant brain your language!

engrish pls!

MALAYSIA MESTI MENANG !! kita robohkan Bukit Jalil !!



This post has been edited by malayneum: Dec 21 2010, 12:08 AM

Road to Final


Malaysia

Group stage
1 Dec: Lost 1-5 vs Indonesia
4 Dec: Drew 0-0 vs Thailand
7 Dec: Won 5-1 vs Laos
*Finished 2nd in Group A with 4 points

Semifinal
15 Dec (Leg #1): Won 2-0 vs Vietnam (Home)
18 Dec (Leg #2): Drew 0-0 vs Vietnam (Away)
*Aggregate score: Malaysia 2-0 Vietnam

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Indonesia

Group stage
1 Dec: Won 5-1 vs Malaysia
4 Dec: Won 6-0 vs Laos
7 Dec: Won 2-1 vs Thailand
*Topped Group A with 9 points

Semifinal
16 Dec (Leg #1): Won 1-0 vs Philippines ("Away")
19 Dec (Leg #2): Won 1-0 vs Philippines (Home)
*Aggregate score: Indonesia 2-0 Philippines

This post has been edited by AKace: Dec 21 2010, 04:02 AM

Top Goalscorer


Malaysia

Norshahrul Idlan Talaha (2 goals)
1 goal vs Indonesia (1 Dec)
1 goal vs Laos (7 Dec)




Safee Sali (2 goals)
2 goals vs Vietnam (18 Dec)




Amri Yahyah (2 goals)
2 goals vs Laos (7 Dec)



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Indonesia

Christian Gonzales (3 goals)
1 goal vs Malaysia (1 Dec)
1 goal vs Philippines (16 Dec)
1 goal vs Philippines (19 Dec)

interesting updates from Wan Fakhrul's FB

1.Oleh kerana ramai dah tak sabar nak tau brape harga tiket & bila tiket final Piala AFF Suzuki 2010 akan mula dijual, maka FAM awalkan sehari meeting psl tiket ni. Meeting akan dibuat esok petang dan pas abis je meeting, harga tiket & bila penjualannya akan diumumkan. Tapi kpd rakan2 ku yg budiman, mohon jgn la call or ...sms aku sambil bertanya, "Geng, tiket final ada tak?" Sesungguhnya aku bukan keje dgn FAM ok...

2.SSFC menganjurkan rombongan ke Jakarta untuk menonton aksi final kedua Piala AFF Suzuki 2010 pada 29 Disember ini. Pergi pagi 28/12, Balik petang 30/12. Bayaran RM400-RM550 seorang (termasuk tiket kapal terbang, tiket perlawanan, penginapan 2 malam & pengangkutan pergi balik dari lapangan terbang-hotel-stadium). Jom serang Jakarta!!!


FB Wan Fakhrul

so by today, we will know how much is the ticket price and where and when to buy it.....And if you have around 600 bucks to spare and want to risk your life to be there when we lift the cup, you can join SSFC's tour.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 21 2010, 08:09 AM

This post has been edited by insane.kill: Dec 21 2010, 08:27 AM

Selalu menyalahkan Indonesia karena melakukan naturalisasi, tetapi Malaysia melakukannya jauh lebih dahulu sebelum Indonesia, kenapa sekarang Malaysia meributkan naturalisasi Indonesia???
Apa karena kalah 5-1 lalu mencari kesalahan bangsa lain, respect....la

Mahadevan Sathasivam --> first naturalization athlete in SEA, Cricket Captain of Malaysia, before hijack from Srilanka
link --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahadevan_Sathasivam

we talk about FOOTBALL, not cricket. Malaysian rugby team also have naturalized players from Fiji iinm

I remember that Germany have 7 citizenship on their main team.

On offense to any Indonesian friends here, RM400~RM550 is dirt cheap plus accommodation to watch the final in Jakarta but I value my life, I'm scared if their fans welcome us with sharpen bamboo once we arrive at the airport

Head-to-head record (1999-2010)

Matches played: 9
Wins: Malaysia 1:4 Indonesia
Draws: 4

Head-to-head record (since 1957)


This post has been edited by AKace: Dec 21 2010, 12:11 PM

let me enlighten you

Miroslave Klose stayed in Germany since he was 7 years old

Marko Marin was only two years old when his family moved to Germany in 1991

In 1987, when Łukasz Podolski was two years old, his family emigrated from Poland to West Germany

Piotr Trochowski was born in Tczew, Pomeranian Voivodeship in Poland. The family, with father Wiesław and mother Alicja, left for Hamburg under the right of return for those of ethnic German ancestry when Piotr was five years old

Mario Gomez, Dennis Aogo, Jerome Boateng, Serdir Tasci, Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil was born and grown up in Germany

Cacau lived in Germany for 8 years (Cristian Gonzales faced the same condition. lived in Indonesia for 7 years and applied for Indonesian citizenship)

several days ago indon fans crash the PSSI (like FAM) office..

many suporters didnt get the ticket



before that match,, malaysia able to won 2-1 in GBK

i mean Malaysia won 1 match while Indonesia won 4 matches out of 9 encounters since 1999

This post has been edited by AKace: Dec 21 2010, 12:19 PM

lets the best team wins..
i'll sure watch this first leg final in bukit jalil

-garuda didadaku-

dapat tiket dari mana bro?

berapa harganya?

wanna one oso..

+1.

ozil, khedira and boateng all has german parents.

i think people tak faham what means by 'naturalisasi'.

i havent got the ticket yet.. i'll ask my friend to Q in bukit jalil on friday
marilah indonesian and malaysian watch together.. we all loves football wat..
its all about the game

anyone know where to buy the tickets?