Kuszczak was brought in as a backup. GKs unlike outfield players, can't be rotated too much. One mistake, and it can cost you games. With outfield players, their mistakes can be cover up by other players. With GKs, you don't take that chance. 4 years, and he never once got a look in, except in the Cups and when VDS was out injured. He's a backup. He was a backup at WBA as well, before he got his chance(main GK injured or something) for that one season before we got him on loan.

Unlike Kuszczak, VDS always had the ability. He always had the ability with his kicking, controlling the ball with his feet his confidence was good as well. He played for one of the best team at the time. And was replaced by the one of the best GKs around. That's no shame. Although he makes mistakes there, but even Schmeichel make mistakes. Fulham at that time was loaded, that's why he ended up there. At that time he sign for Fulham, we already got Barthez who had a very good first season with us. And it was likely that other top teams don't need GKs at the time. GKs at top teams don't generally move around a lot.

He had 4 seasons with us myhug. And whenever he plays, those stuff he's weak at stick out like a sore thumb. He will never have the confidence, the kicking ability, the aura of calmness that great GK brings to teams. Not many are, and that's why we're looking at other up and coming GKs and trying to sign them.

Kuszczak was brought in as a backup. GKs unlike outfield players, can't be rotated too much. One mistake, and it can cost you games. With outfield players, their mistakes can be cover up by other players. With GKs, you don't take that chance. 4 years, and he never once got a look in, except in the Cups and when VDS was out injured. He's a backup. He was a backup at WBA as well, before he got his chance(main GK injured or something) for that one season before we got him on loan.

Unlike Kuszczak, VDS always had the ability. He always had the ability with his kicking, controlling the ball with his feet his confidence was good as well. He played for one of the best team at the time. And was replaced by the one of the best GKs around. That's no shame. Although he makes mistakes there, but even Schmeichel make mistakes. Fulham at that time was loaded, that's why he ended up there. At that time he sign for Fulham, we already got Barthez who had a very good first season with us. And it was likely that other top teams don't need GKs at the time. GKs at top teams don't generally move around a lot.

He had 4 seasons with us myhug. And whenever he plays, those stuff he's weak at stick out like a sore thumb. He will never have the confidence, the kicking ability, the aura of calmness that great GK brings to teams. Not many are, and that's why we're looking at other up and coming GKs and trying to sign them.

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Added on December 27, 2010, 2:20 amHe just need a little adjusting to do, but it's no big deal. He already know first hand how we train.  It's not like signing a new player who never had the experience of training with our first team before. We are getting back one of our own who was with our setup for years before joining up with Wigan on loan.

It depends a lot on Valencia. If we feel confident that he's gonna be fine, like with earlier in the season, it's better for Cleverley's development that he go out on loan and play regularly somewhere in EPL.

yes clubs can bringg them back anytime, no one saying they cant.but seieng how cthe lad had stop and go season, its best for to stay at wigan where he is assured a starting berth then here with us wch is a high premium even with park off for 7 games.as far as quality goes gibbo has it, and so does mr hot and cold french.only consistency+experience is lacking in them

4 tough seasons mind you, with a hard task of deposing some one very indispensable imo(vds is that great).that point you said with chances, thats what im also referring to here.the young prospects in the gk line would be just the same how tom was claimed here.they have experience in their own set up but when it comes to united its whole different level.yeah he has those weakness youve said but there still some thing to his game that at times just stands out.i beleive tom also had the abilities albeit thus far is overshadowed by his weakness wch isnt some thing that cannot be improved.

were staying true with our tradition of unearthing talent and nurturing them when we signed young gks/players.but lindergard isnt that young but unknown i must say so hard to judge.seeing how the market is, i doubt we will or we can go for the top rated experience ones.

this gk situation of ours is unique in a way.one hand we got our guardian retiring(maybe not who knows but its coming), in the other we have to an extent i agree with you a very good relaible backup wch "may" be the one we look after, then there is the new comer, relatively unknown at the top level of leagues.will we still look fro another gk(it would be point blank yes if tom leaves.)

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Added on December 27, 2010, 2:28 am

owh youre quoting valencia, i had another player in mind tho

but since were on valencia, its along shot for him to return.how confident he is, and how confident is our medical team too.

We  have to do whats best for us. We have a shortage of wingers, soon. And considering Cleverley plays that same role and is ours out on loan, we can recall him at anytime within the loan window thing. Having him for one month won't hurt his development. It will be a good chance for him to gauge where he needs to improve. As long as his fitness is good, he would have no problem slotting in wherever he goes. Chances are if he's recalled back, we'll send him back to Wigan after that period unless he gets enough games and SAF feels that he can be useful to stay in the squad and get games here and there until the end of the season.

Gibson ain't a winger. And with mr hot and cold, it's precisely why we should bring back Cleverley. Giggs ain't young, and who knows what Nani might be like in January(not talking about form).

Oh nice, you guys two are having a very good debate. Well done.

But i have to go to bed now. I'll read your posts tomorrow.

ala esok cuti ma tdo la lewat sket.

btw how come no gaffers post match??mutv semua cuti ka.....

Tomorrow cuti meh? I have an interview tomorrow, don't tell me it will be canceled?

ayakk then dont take my word.better prep for your interview.i my self not sure cuti ke x since im not working on our local work time

btw interview where??youn studied what btw??

I'm a Computer Science guy. Nothing special la.

*Really have to go to sleep now.

ok la tuh, you think what i special ka or any one other of our fellow friends here at must(kecuali tok pawang )??bkn nya aku blh terbang mcm superman pun kohkoh.me oso normal guy ma jus same like you.

com science good good, good luck in your interview.

Still undefeated untill end of the year?
Efff yeah !!

Berbatov score 2 goal, is it he is leading goalscorer by now?

We  have to do whats best for us. We have a shortage of wingers, soon. And considering Cleverley plays that same role and is ours out on loan, we can recall him at anytime within the loan window thing. Having him for one month won't hurt his development. It will be a good chance for him to gauge where he needs to improve. As long as his fitness is good, he would have no problem slotting in wherever he goes. Chances are if he's recalled back, we'll send him back to Wigan after that period unless he gets enough games and SAF feels that he can be useful to stay in the squad and get games here and there until the end of the season.

Gibson ain't a winger. And with mr hot and cold, it's precisely why we should bring back Cleverley. Giggs ain't young, and who knows what Nani might be like in January(not talking about form).

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Added on December 27, 2010, 2:31 amConfidence, either you have it or you don't. Kuszczak doesn't have it. That has a bad effect on his kicking. Send it to his left, and he will scream like a girl before kicking the ball out for a throw in. Add a fast approaching striker closing him down, even using his right won't save him.

To be fair to Kuszcak, he doesn't play enough game. I am sure this affected his confidence.

cleverly is more of midfielder yes/no?coming 7 games i think giggs can be an able deputy.plus he bring in the wisdom wch even park+nani combined x sampai his level.

well january is around the corner and the way wigan needs the lad and are willing to aid us in his development, i see him staying there.yeah we need to look after ourselves but we need the boy in good terms of playing time and etc too, in other words we need to look out after his progress wch was the major point in sending him on loan.