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TScocooh
post Jun 12 2011, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Jun 11 2011, 11:29 PM)
what is the name of the dock you use ?
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post Jun 12 2011, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(cocooh @ Jun 11 2011, 09:41 PM)
Update : Reinstall ubuntu 11.04 and re-run the "refurbishing" script from Elementary OS repo biggrin.gif

The script currently removes any "unnecessary" daemons and stuffs which brings more speed laugh.gif

Have to try it to know the differences biggrin.gif
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Mind pasting the script's contents here. I wanna have a look and see what it does.
... or just post a link to it.

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post Jun 12 2011, 01:58 AM

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waaahhhh i dunno what the heck u all talking bout .
some sort of hacker community here eh !
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post Jun 12 2011, 09:49 AM

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The script :

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post Jun 12 2011, 01:48 PM

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^ That sounds like something I'd only be daring to run in a TTY session, since it seems to remove X as well...
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post Jun 12 2011, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(FlameReaper @ Jun 12 2011, 01:48 PM)
^ That sounds like something I'd only be daring to run in a TTY session, since it seems to remove X as well...
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hmm.gif quite stable here , low ram usage laugh.gif they will revise back on what should and should not be removed
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post Jun 12 2011, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(monsh @ Jun 12 2011, 01:58 AM)
waaahhhh i dunno what the heck u all talking bout .
some sort of hacker community here eh !
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No. It's all actually pretty simplistic stuff. I just asked Zai for a script's contents. If you stick with Linux and bother to learn along the way, bash-scripting will sort of become your second language.


QUOTE(cocooh @ Jun 12 2011, 09:49 AM)
The script :
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Thanks for sharing.

Hmmm ..... I don't have most of what's being removed on my GRML or Arch installs in the first place laugh.gif
Don't see a lot of daemon stuff there, though removing mono is always good, I guess. Can't really see any justification in removing both nano and vim (what if something goes wrong and you need to edit config files from a TTY one day?)

Anyways, all I can derive from looking at the script is that current-gen stock Ubuntu has a LOT of unnecessary stuff. I guess that's the drawback of trying to market yourself to a wider audience.

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Hey guys, is there any good docks out there that does not need require composite manager for transparency ?
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post Jun 12 2011, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Jun 12 2011, 07:59 PM)
Hey guys, is there any good docks out there that does not need require composite manager for transparency ?
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Hmm, I'm probably not the best person to answer this, since I generally dislike docks (even the one on my Mac... which I can't get rid off >_<)

The best I can think off is Tint2, which isn't officially classified as a dock, but can emulate most dock functionality if you're good with your config. It can hold launchers, split up segments to show different workspaces, has a systray and clock...etc.

Another one is AdeskBar. I'm not 100% sure that it doesn't require compositing, but the older versions didn't require it. It's pretty decent and very light Not as light as Tint2, but still light enough for most systems (your Arch friends won't laugh at you calling it bloated, for sure). Not quite sure if it's still actively maintained (last update was Oct last year), but there's a lot of info here : http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/44...er-for-openbox/ ... it started out as a CrunchBang-related project, that's why I'm linking you there. The guy who made it (called ADcomp) is quite the python guru, and overall top bloke.

There's also SimDock, which they say doesn't require compositing, but I have no clue about what it does or how well it runs.

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post Jun 12 2011, 09:21 PM

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bash programming is rather pretty simple .
its the internal function system call that bothers me .
how'd u know which to remove and whatnot man ?
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post Jun 12 2011, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jun 12 2011, 07:58 PM)
Hmm, I'm probably not the best person to answer this, since I generally dislike docks (even the one on my Mac... which I can't get rid off >_<)

The best I can think off is Tint2, which isn't officially classified as a dock, but can emulate most dock functionality if you're good with your config. It can hold launchers, split up segments to show different workspaces, has a systray and clock...etc.

Another one is AdeskBar. I'm not 100% sure that it doesn't require compositing, but the older versions didn't require it. It's pretty decent and very light Not as light as Tint2, but still light enough for most systems (your Arch friends won't laugh at you calling it bloated, for sure). Not quite sure if it's still actively maintained (last update was Oct last year), but there's a lot of info here : http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/44...er-for-openbox/ ... it started out as a CrunchBang-related project, that's why I'm linking you there. The guy who made it (called ADcomp) is quite the python guru, and overall top bloke.

There's also SimDock, which they say doesn't require compositing, but I have no clue about what it does or how well it runs.
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*cough* Wbar, dude. Although I have no idea how to configure it, the vanilla install of it looks so plain it could use some proper configuring whistling.gif

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post Jun 12 2011, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(monsh @ Jun 12 2011, 09:21 PM)
bash programming is rather pretty simple .
its the internal function system call that bothers me .
how'd u know which to remove and whatnot man ?
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The only way to know what what you need and what you don't is to actually use your distro over a period of time. Since you're on Ubuntu, you can also fire up Synaptic and read descriptions of what does what. If you really want to dive deep, try installing a minimal Debian or Arch iso and adding what you require, a bit at a time, referring to the Debian or Arch wikis as you go.

My advice is to just stick to what you have now and use it on a daily basis. Reading helps, though.


QUOTE(FlameReaper @ Jun 12 2011, 09:46 PM)
*cough* Wbar, dude. Although I have no idea how to configure it, the vanilla install of it looks so plain it could use some proper configuring whistling.gif
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Wbar is just a launcher, not a dock. That's why I didn't suggest it.

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Thanks for the suggestions. Tint2 looks nice, I'll give it a try. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jun 12 2011, 07:37 PM)
No. It's all actually pretty simplistic stuff. I just asked Zai for a script's contents. If you stick with Linux and bother to learn along the way, bash-scripting will sort of become your second language.
Thanks for sharing.

Hmmm ..... I don't have most of what's being removed on my GRML or Arch installs in the first place laugh.gif
Don't see a lot of daemon stuff there, though removing mono is always good, I guess. Can't really see any justification in removing both nano and vim (what if something goes wrong and you need to edit config files from a TTY one day?)

Anyways, all I can derive from looking at the script is that current-gen stock Ubuntu has a LOT of unnecessary stuff. I guess that's the drawback of trying to market yourself to a wider audience.
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hmm hmm.gif they pack it up full with unnecessary things which maybe useful to new users shocking.gif

Now ive completely dumped Unity becoz of some workaround problems with it and I switched to gnome 3 + gnome 2 instead laugh.gif

Noticeable , gnome 3 takes much more time to load as compared to eOS and from resource usage , eOS is far more lighter , cant wait for the Luna Stable to be released on November rolleyes.gif

BTW , @G17 , love your Scrotwm set up , what is the base OS icon_question.gif ?
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QUOTE(cocooh @ Jun 12 2011, 11:00 PM)
BTW , @G17 , love your Scrotwm set up , what is the base OS  icon_question.gif ?
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Depends.... I usually use GRML, Arch or Free/Open-BSD these days.
The ones in the screenshots are usually from my GRML partition. http://grml.org/
I tend to install from the daily unstable small-iso images and build up from there: http://daily.grml.org/
Sort of like a Debian-Arch hybrid. Debian stability and package security but with Arch's modularity and simplicity.
Not for everyone, though. It's kind of quirky in some aspects.


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post Jun 12 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jun 12 2011, 11:26 PM)
Depends.... I usually use GRML, Arch or Free/Open-BSD these days.
The ones in the screenshots are usually from my GRML partition.  http://grml.org/
I tend to install from the daily unstable small-iso images and build up from there: http://daily.grml.org/
Sort of like a Debian-Arch hybrid. Debian stability and package security but with Arch's modularity and simplicity.
Not for everyone, though. It's kind of quirky in some aspects.
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Hmm , which means that Scrotwm can be installed in any base os ? or selected ? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(cocooh @ Jun 12 2011, 11:44 PM)
Hmm , which means that Scrotwm can be installed in any base os ? or selected ?  icon_question.gif
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You can install it in Ubuntu as well, Zai. There should be a package in your repos.
Aptitude/apt-get should pull dependencies automatically.

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post Jun 12 2011, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jun 12 2011, 11:51 PM)
You can install it in Ubuntu as well, Zai. There should be a package in your repos.
Aptitude/apt-get should pull dependencies automatically.
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Which means , it will be installed as another sessions hmm.gif ?
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QUOTE(cocooh @ Jun 12 2011, 11:58 PM)
Which means , it will be installed as another sessions  hmm.gif ?
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Should be. I'm not quite sure how it's done in Ubuntu, but if you rely on GDM, then you should see a "Scrotwm" entry under Sessions. Not 100% sure since I don't use GDM on my rigs.

I recommend you read the man page first before logging in to Scrotwm. I also posted some configs earlier in this thread, as well as another thread (Debian Tiling Adventure) that farkinid started. You can use those as a starting point if you like.

I have to sleep now, though (must wake up early) ... so I'll only be able to answer any further questions tomorrow.

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post Jun 13 2011, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jun 12 2011, 11:05 PM)
Should be. I'm not quite sure how it's done in Ubuntu, but if you rely on GDM, then you should see a "Scrotwm" entry under Sessions. Not 100% sure since I don't use GDM on my rigs.

I recommend you read the man page first before logging in to Scrotwm. I also posted some configs earlier in this thread, as well as another thread (Debian Tiling Adventure) that farkinid started. You can use those as a starting point if you like.

I have to sleep now, though (must wake up early)  ... so I'll only be able to answer any further questions tomorrow.
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Yep. Depending on the login manager used, you'll see an entry named ScrotWM.

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