because when you disassemble both mechanical keyboard and membrane keyboard, and then watch the interior, you will know what's you're paying for.

For for those virtual stuff, yet again i will say it will be not be easily absorb in public. because there's always few serious sentence, "Premium Stuff has Premium Price" "More Customizable Option = More $$$$$ You Gonna Pay"

Mechanical got it's own disadvantages, which i mostly think more commonly use keyboard community will choose membrane keyboard instead of mechanical keyboard, based on one simple problem "Eat and Drink in front PC"

If you spill water on your mechanical keyboard, which i think your keyboard will be "Game Over" while membrane keyboard are waterproof(not entirely waterproof, as long as the board doesn't have any water inside) and one more thing, The Cheapness of Membrane keyboard, no i'm not saying those membrane keyboard that has premium price tag such as G19 and blablablah. It's just that, you walk in a pc store, membrane keyboard RM20 each. =X

For Mechanical keyboard to become main stream, i think it's quite hard, because for price tag issue. Mechanical Keyboard are something like Industrial Use keyboard, they are more durable and higher quality than normal keyboard. Which is similar to compare between Kancil And Mini-Cooper.

You thought too much??

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Added on December 20, 2010, 8:33 pmNot really, as you can see BW can selling at RM299.
If you able to increase the market then the price go to be less than RM200 should be very possible.

This post has been edited by jasmineivan: Dec 20 2010, 08:33 PM

borrowing a picture from VRzone:


feel it's a very good guideline for newbie in mechanical kb
btw, Filco says "see you guys at January 2011!"

my spacebar on 7g acting weird now.. i mean i press the left side of the keyboard, the right side will pop up too much till i can see the inside of the keyboard.. i always just tap it back to the right side and it looks normal again.

I scared i spoil the space bar later..

any way to fix this..

Why have that kind of finger need choose MX black.
Actually I thought MX red and MX black are the same just with different actuation force and depth??

Anyway, MX red is very rare in Malaysia.

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Added on December 20, 2010, 10:25 pmMaybe is the hole can fit the switch is loosen?
Anyway even though the key cap really loose out then just put back can already. Want make it stick to it?? put a very thin layer of glue in the key caps whole to tight it (made sure it really thin and the switch still can fit into it)

This post has been edited by jasmineivan: Dec 20 2010, 10:25 PM

yea.. just don't like see-ing it pop up everytime i use it.. haha..

Wanna ask a rather/maybe noob question. Ducky K/b got anti-ghosting?

It would be good that once you have a mechanical keyboard with one of the cherry mx switches, you can then use that as a measuring stick whether you need more actuating force (the force required when pressing the key to register it) or not.

From softest to hardest ...

Red 45cN (linear non clicky) < Brown 45cN (soft tactile non clicky) < Blue 50cN (harder tactile clicky) < Black 60cN (linear non clicky)

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Che...ches+and+boards



Seems to be a good explanation of the difference between pcb and metal plate mounted switches. Metal plate is more sturdy; whereas pcb mounted is easier to remove the switch. This was why i picked a Ducky because it was plate mounted; whereas the Cherry keyboards are pcb mounted. I wanted something sturdy for my first mechanical keyboard.






@StratOS

Yes i believe so.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 20 2010, 11:12 PM

Want me to use push force gauge to measure my keyboard?

Actually i still not really know how means by the soft tactile non clicky. Since non clicky, how it be tactile? some more with a specific actuation force 45cN.

My understanding is like this, the different MX red and Brown is
MX red, the key is as heavy as MX black, and they are linear non clicky. But MX red will register keystroke when the force reach 45cN which the actuation depth with MX black is different.
THen for MX brown, the key is harder to press but still register keystroke at 45cN but will has less depth compare to the 45cN in MX red.

Conclude, MX red and MX black are the same, but need press to deeper with 60cN.
MX red and MX brown feel different, easier to press red but hard to press MX brown but both actuate with only 45cN.

All above is assumption, correct me if I predict wrongly.

tactile is the feedback you get when they key is pressed, linear meaning no force feedback at all,
clicky is to describe the click sound that is produced whenever a blue switch is pressed.

all the cherry mx actuate at 2mm
mx red and mx brown use the same force, they only need 45g to press down the key easily, means their spring are kinda light.good for touch typist. the only difference is cherry mx brown give you tactile feedback.
mx black need 60g force to press the key down, actuate after 2mm key travel. it's spring are harder. for some1 who have strong fingers. if you have soft finger want to touch type on mx black, is kinda hard. mx black are for those who prefer silent too, because they are linear, they not clicky, and they need higher force like 60g, the higher force will prevent you from bottoming up the key, and without bottoming up the key, you will reduce alot of noise.

Use this to check for ghosting

http://www.microsoft.com/appliedsciences/K...ostingDemo.mspx

if the picture is true then i can order different cherry mx can replace my current 7g 1?

Sorry i didn't really what you meant

Yes there is more than 1 cherry mx mechanical switch. Red, blue, brown, black and clears. For spacebars there are also green, grey etc...

The steelseries 7G only come with Cherry mx blacks.


Filco/Ducky/Leopold they have 3 choices of brown, black or blue switches. So more variety for you to choose from.


By the way stratos do you play starcraft 2

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 21 2010, 09:55 AM

yea.. i play sc2.. y?

Storm of the imperial sanctum ? Is your nick there also stratos ?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 21 2010, 11:21 AM

As expected, Ducky's NKRO works perfectly.

got my key cap today.



more photo here.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13613

Wow that is a lot of boxes

Those engraves seem durable. No paint to rub off on fingers.

My only concern is contrast. Since there is no infill, you can only see the engraving. Kinda reminds me of the ducky black on black keys.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 21 2010, 03:49 PM

Wow, those keybaps look really good. How much are those? And how much was the shipping?