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post Oct 29 2010, 12:57 AM

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Below are a list of keyboard companies that send their specs to Costar Electronics an OEM Taiwanese company to manufacture them. So basically their all done by the same manufacturer but with different specs.

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Costar Electronics Inc, was established in 1987. Costar Electronics has concentrated mostly on ODM Business which includes a series of Products, like Keyboards as well as Keypads with high quality and now Costar further becomes the most competitive OEM / ODM Business maker which has an increasing market share for PC’s, Industrial & Medical Keyboards and P.O.S in the whole world.






Diatec (A Japanese company) = Filco Majestouch
I spoke to a Japanese representative from Diatec via mail enquiring about buying directly from them. They were very professional courteous, and surprisingly communicated with excellent mastery of English in their email correspondence.

Ducky Channel (Some Taiwanese company that caters to KBC a Chinese keyboard enthusiast forum) = Ducky 9000, 9008, 1087, 1008

Metadot Corporation (Austin, Texas, USA company) = DAS

Steelseries (A Dannish company) = Steelseries 6gv2, 7G


PS: For some reason, Ducky Channels website also lists DAS keyboards. I am unsure what their relation is to Metadot Corporation who owns the DAS franchise.

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post Oct 29 2010, 01:45 AM

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The Ducky Keyboard Laser-etched version is it black letters or filled with white paint?
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how much is the price range for filco black cherries 0.0?
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QUOTE(xcen @ Oct 29 2010, 01:45 AM)
The Ducky Keyboard Laser-etched version is it black letters or filled with white paint?
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Not sure.



QUOTE(darkskies @ Oct 29 2010, 01:52 AM)
how much is the price range for filco black cherries 0.0?
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DataVac ED500 Electric Duster
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:12382

This is probably the best option for cleaning your keyboard and pc. Cheaper and better than can of compressed air in the long run.



Random facts

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The difference between OEM and ODM

An OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) is a company that designs and builds a product based on their own specification, and then sells it to another company for branding and distribution. In the computer business, the term OEM is used mostly as a verb (rather than as a noun or adjective). When one company "OEMs" another company's product, it buys a complete, already designed and manufactured product (the "original equipment") from another company (the OEM). Most of the time the purchaser asks the seller to change only the name and possibly the color of the product, and nothing else. For example, Intermec OEMs the 6651 (convertible) CE Tablet from Sharp; Sharp sells the identical product as the Sharp HC-7000. Only the name and model number are different.

An ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) is a company that designs and builds a product based on another company's specification. For example, a computer company such as HP or Compaq may write a spec on a new notebook that they want to bring to market. They specify all of the external details of the product such as screen size and technology, I/O ports, keyboard pitch and travel, case shape and color, speaker location, etc. They also typically specify some of the major internal details of the product such as the CPU and video controller. But they don't design the schematic, specify the type of switching transistors used in the power supply, or select the backlight inverter frequency. That's the ODM's job. The ODM takes the computer company's specification and designs and builds the notebook. Sometimes the ODM does so based on an existing prototype product that was built to attract business. The result is typically a more cooperative/joint effort than in the OEM situation, where the purchaser has little or no control over any of the product specs. Is the new notebook HP's or Compaq's product, or is really the ODM's product? It's HP's or Compaq's product, because they specified the things that matter to the user, the things that the user touches and interacts with every day, the things that affect the "form, fit and function."

In order to attract customers (marketing and distribution companies), ODM companies typically build prototype products that demonstrate their mastery of a particular technology or product type. These prototypes are often displayed on the ODM's website just as if they were "real" products, ready for sale to a consumer or other individual buyer. For an example, look at the AquaPAD on FIC's website.

It can be difficult to determine if a company is an ODM just by looking at the products on their website. One clue is if there is no "How to Purchase" information on the website. Sometimes the "Contact Us" page will include "OEM/ODM" buried in some text. Sometimes you can read between the lines and understand that the vendor has no marketing or distribution capability. For example, the E-Labs website states that "Overall, the division can be classified as a research and development organization". From this statement it's clear that they're selling their product as an ODM and the product shown on the website is just a prototype.




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post Oct 29 2010, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(xcen @ Oct 29 2010, 12:00 AM)
One thing I like about Ducky is the Black on Black keys, they look really really good.

Meanwhile, Filco only has standard White alphabets or totally blank keys. sad.gif


Added on October 28, 2010, 11:02 pm
You're bringing Filco to major retailers in Malaysia? Really?!
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My company will, not me


Added on October 29, 2010, 11:05 am
QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Oct 29 2010, 12:14 AM)
nope..ts is bringing buyer to the sg distributor
i don think malaysia retailer will start selling mechanical keyboard in this moment since mechanical keyboard is not popularized in malaysia


Added on October 28, 2010, 11:15 pmbut the filco palm rest really bit too expensive..but the palm rest not only can use for typing..i think can use when i do other stuff on my working desk also..should be comfortable
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infact, many of my kinda excited when heard of the offical filco appears in local, however not every dealer know how to sell mechanical keyboards.

btw the filco armrest will be arnd 120~150.


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post Oct 29 2010, 12:13 PM

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i am admiring for the palm rest but if say i really get it then will take out my 7g's palm rest..feel like that is quite a wastage
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Is this your company ?

http://www.seasonic.com/co/index.jsp


Are you saying they are going to be the official Malaysian distributor for Filco Majestouch mechanical keyboards biggrin.gif ?

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means filco will come into malaysia??
hoo ray..means i can experience the filco palm rest by my self ^^
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 29 2010, 08:40 PM)
@storm88

Is this your company ?

http://www.seasonic.com/co/index.jsp
Are you saying they are going to be the official Malaysian distributor for Filco Majestouch mechanical keyboards biggrin.gif ?
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Seasonic is not my company. We're disti for seasonic
And i think yes, boss just agreed the deal with diatec. Not only the keyboard also their accessories as well
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 30 2010, 11:45 AM)
Seasonic is not my company. We're disti for seasonic
And i think yes, boss just agreed the deal with diatec. Not only the keyboard also their accessories as well
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Can't wait to see it on the market.
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 30 2010, 11:45 AM)
Seasonic is not my company. We're disti for seasonic
And i think yes, boss just agreed the deal with diatec. Not only the keyboard also their accessories as well
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let me know for blank keys, and RED WASD ! rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(victor2212 @ Oct 30 2010, 06:04 PM)
let me know for blank keys, and RED WASD !  rclxm9.gif
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all Majetouch will come with extra key sets.
Different color for different models smile.gif
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post Oct 31 2010, 09:22 AM

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haha but wat i wan is full 104 black letter laser etched key caps to replace my 7g's keycap
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post Oct 31 2010, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 31 2010, 09:01 AM)
all Majetouch will come with extra key sets.
Different color for different models smile.gif
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Filco's key caps are quite hard to replace...
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post Oct 31 2010, 04:05 PM

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Not really.

Only the stabilizer keys like Shift, caps, enter and spacebar. But even then it's not that hard, just tricky.

Use a keycap puller. Pull it up a bit (not all the way off) until the switch is off. Then gently use tweezers, and pull on one side of the metal hook to unhook it. Bend it just enough to unhook doh.gif don't worry the metal thingy is flexible enough to take some slight bending. Then repeat on the other side. Then you can fully pull the keycap off.

To install a new keycap, take out the white mounting thingys underneath the cap, put it on the new key cap. Then hook the metal hooks onto the keycap. On one side use a tweezer to bend it a bit to get it to hook. Then press down all the way to place it firmly :}


By the way i am swapping from Mo2 to Mo3.

I'm getting this

Laser-Etched PBT Keycaps & leather wrist rest special bundle²
— $225 (Friends of Ducky price: $210)


And separately Signature Plastics 104 Doubleshot keycaps + surprise item.


So i'm going to experiment on the layout by first replacing the alphabet with the double shots ABS keycaps, and leave the rest as laser etched pbt keycaps and see how that works out :]




Anyway for those who must have led lighting, there is always the IOne Xarmor U9BL. IOne is the same company who produces Razer's Black Widow Ultimate keyboards. Besides Cherry and Costar who are the biggest OEM for keyboard manufacturing, there is also IOne. Anyway here is the review.

http://hardwareaware.com/review/xarmor-u9bl/




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post Oct 31 2010, 05:35 PM

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@ xcen

if you are going to change key caps for your mechnical keyboard i think you can refer you those youtube video

i did saw plenty of them before..or ask ts suggest some suitable 1 for you
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If you need a macro mechanical keyboard there is also the Cherry G80-8200LPDUS

http://hardwareaware.com/review/62/


It also has very interesting keycaps. It has individual plastic cover tops for the keys doh.gif guess to prevent wear on the lettering perhaps ?




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Wait, what? A hundred and thirty dollars for a keyboard? Yes, and for good reason.

Most of you are probably used to the cheap keyboards that came with your computer or that you got from a retailer for under $20. Or perhaps you’re a gamer and own an LED-backlit keyboard from a brand like Logitech or Razer. You might have heard of mechanical keyboards and dismissed them as a fad or a waste of money. Why would anyone spend that much on a keyboard? Are people crazy?

Aren’t we all? Mechanical keyboards aren’t just a fad, they’re one of the few instances where cheap, cost-saving tech is loosing ground against more expensive, but notably higher quality tech. In one poll I ran in June (Found here), 45% of people who tried a mechanical keyboard would recommend it to anyone, and 47% would recommend one in most cases. Only about 8% thought it wasn’t worth it. Those are impressive numbers, and I think they show that one should at least try a mechanical keyboard before making up their mind against them.




My keyboard is gonna look something like the Filco anti otaku doubleshot but sorta better wub.gif

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6924




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post Oct 31 2010, 09:07 PM

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ts suggesting something not that popular ^^
if macro mech kb i will just suggest bw ultimate,i saw some bw ultimate review video, pretty cool, only thing is the tiny palm rest
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post Oct 31 2010, 10:30 PM

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Ducky 10 keyless clones gasp biggrin.gif

One is a Japanese company, and the other is Korean.

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http://www.archisite.co.jp/archiss_as-kb87.htm


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http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1279677553


Looks to me like Costar manufactured them.

1. uses cherry stabilizers
2. led lighting looks exactly like the dk-9008
3. mini usb input


PS: i think that the Korean clone looks much better than the japanese and the Ducky 10 keyless. Look at the key extras biggrin.gif and the logo looks nice.


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those key caps is cute

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