As a reminder,

4.2 patch most likely deploy this Tuesday maintenance for WOW US.

For those who use realmlist



be careful of patch update early and hence unable to log into wowtaiwan before wowtaiwan patch.

To manually avoid early update,

use this:



then when patch time change back to:



and change back once done.

Also, 4.2 is a major patch, please stay tune to this thread for more patching progress and info / troubleshooting

As always for patch, please share your findings / troubleshoot here

Thank you.

i might try a dupe there... in future....


things over AH is expensive due to its a new server(launch during Cata) its kinda low pop right now but it still fun to play... but good things is since its on high currency, either you are super rich or you are super poor... if rajin farm mats, gold is actually means nothing... farm 10 stack of mithril can make around 1k of gold yo...

hopefully more new player coming in to inflat the market abit

if i am u, i won join this guild, seriously, until now i never ever get an invitation to raid. U wan raid? lol go join other guild. even their alt already in BLackwing Descent now but me, as main never ever get into raid....so, i think this is fail guild. no offend to hidden ah, i seriously think that we just only member but not raid member, as member to drilss, yes, other fcuking no

hahah. wah tired after futsal.

To get the discussion going.

The guild never portrait itself as a progression guild from day one.

I would aspect anyone who feel deserted and not getting as much pve progression to /gquit

Instead of capping it as fail guild, one should look at the guild positively, this guild make non Chinese literate to play wow in a comfortable manner. It houses members from more than a dozen countries. Members consist of mostly working adult and hence the casualness in terms of pve.

Dont get me wrong, i would like to support pve progression in the guild. and ya, feedback is good.

But then, u cant change the nature of the guild overnight.

Finally, one who complaint without solution wont worth mention.

Edit: I'm getting old, im not gonna commit and lead raid nowadays, but then, without u knowing, i sacrifice more than you thought by introducing wowtaiwan to gamers, while u aim to progress in pve, my game is to grow the community. Its a totally different ball game. Look around, dont get too immerse in the game, this game is more than pve progression.

Edit2: 4.2 will be a fresh start, lets work on pve progression together.

This post has been edited by hidden830726: Jun 29 2011, 12:37 AM

progress in pve? how to progress without raid? yes u are doing more than me, but i am not officer. how to change nature of guild? i only can give feed back but sound like "one who complaint without solution wont worth mention" shut me off. ok fine do as u like but this is totally awesome from behind

Its getting late, without raid? have u check guild message lately? Raid has been going on for months. Although im aware of the progression so far. Not progressing doesn't equal to no raid. raid spot always limited. talk to officer and showcase what you can do, i dont see why if you're having good dps, and not getting one. (Unless good is not enough)

hmm, one dont need officer rank to contribute, just fyi, most of the officer is self recommend. These people demand a role to contribute even more to the guild and hence they are given the role.

"one who complaint without solution wont worth mention" is the way of life. Dont get me wrong, complaint with solution is highly value added and contribute greatly to the guild.

Dont qq here anymore, if you got any problem or dissatisfied, please discuss with the officer in guild. They have been told of your problem and they will do their best to accommodate them.

Appreciate your positive feedback

This post has been edited by hidden830726: Jun 29 2011, 01:09 AM

Patch 4.2 - Rage of the Firelands on Live Servers
Assuming something doesn't explode, Patch 4.2 should be officially confirmed shortly and will be deployed on live realms today! The patch size is about 400mb and it's time for our traditional super huge recap.

If you're wondering, there's already a confirmation of Patch 4.2 on Korean Forums.

Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

Taiwan, please be ready for patch by this Thursday maintenance.

This post has been edited by hidden830726: Jun 29 2011, 01:26 AM

Hey there. Let me give you an insight of what is going on from the raider's perspective. The 10 man we currently consists of core raiders. However, there still spots that are not filled with core raiders yet. Another thing you need tokeep in mind, 10 man raids are limited by default, having 2 tanks, 3 healers, all that is left is 5 DPSers. Another problem with calling this group core is because we are trying to push progression with frequent or always the same people. Unfortunately, that isn't going so well, we have definitely lost some of our best tanks and DPSers. The reason being, we have really unstable members who could not cope with schedules or with real life issues. I did notice that you have asked if there's any raid going on the past few days. I apologize for not responding. Having said, DPS and gears is only part of the requirement, understanding every fight before joining would be beneficial as we could reduce time on explaining boss fights. We simply don't have the time be teaching again and again. We have done that for one month, almost every week with fresh members and progression was definitely very bad. If you want proof, I could show you, but talk to me personally.

Regarding your concern for alternates, I can assure you, we do not have any weak alternates that join us. The only alternate you may see is our Raid Leader. He ocassionally switches between his DK and Druid to compensate the members we are missing in the raid (ie. Tank/DPS/Heal). On the other hand, some toons labeled alternate may actually be considered main by their respective owner. The point here is, alternate or not, it doesn't matter because it's still the same people playing, those who understand the strategies and know the fight very well.

Another thing to consider is that you are not alone. We have other guidl members who faced similar experiences, that includes me. Of course, as officers, we have to come up with a solution. The problem is 10 man is very limited. The idea for 10 man is still to maintain a consistent group. We are trying to organize a 25 man now, why not give it a chance and PM me personally? I'll be glad to tell you more about it. We have been waiting hard and searching hard for potentials for a 25 man.

I'm very sure you know we have a raid going on, but please understand our Core Raiders have been raiding for over the past 3 months consistently. You need to know, not because we don't want to give you any gears, but even 1 member slacking during a 10 man can make a huge difference. Yes that's right, instead of just giving us feedback, participate. We have recently opened up opportunities for 25 man. Do PM in game/forum for more information.

Thank you. Once again, apologies if there's a misunderstanding. The goal of the Guild Leader and some of the members might be different, but in the end, we are still focusing on becoming one of the largest English guild in WoW Taiwan.

This post has been edited by Zepx: Jun 29 2011, 09:00 AM

i believe most of the guild will switch to 10 Man instead of 25 man
honestly, 25 man is freak difficult on management. i'm in a 8H guild raid progress, my guild are on top of the horde in the server for couples of month, until some core player left this server to another server. raid leader having some real life issues, discharge from the role. my guild progress stop at 8H for the current version. most of the member gquit or afk. even till today i still not sure, whether my guild will be continue on 25 man raid.
i also turned to casual player more than 2 month +

if you think the guild can't provide a place for you to enjoy the raid. why not you form 1 10man raid team.

25 man is not easy to manage. DKP, raid member skills, role, strategy.

if this guild running 25man raid, and you have no chance to joined not because of your gear,skill,known well on boss strategy, i will support you to leave this guild

i think if my guild not going to open 25 man, i think i will not playing raid anymore, even 10 man. cause it won't have my place, even my skills is there, cause i only play retribution paladin

Thank for sharing, BUT if i wanna change realm how much would it cost?? any idea

thats why i quit from my last jubei realm, coz many guild that i join did not give a chance for me to raid.with my item sanctified gears still din get chance also, then what am i suppose to do after max level? and get ilvl 359?loremaster?ok lor, i go lor or else might quit as well,this guild is good but no place for me to raid,so ....yes, raid leader need good dedicated player,thats why recruit is important for guild to maintain raid, no ppl then how raid?if player afk, or quit it do affect raid.but after a while , i din get invited to raid then i feel no point of continuing this game.so after feed back kena sound also, then better shut up lor, coz this is not my guild ma, i just tumpang,if not this guild also, i cant lvling till this easy ma.thx a lot man but no place for raid man,i feel sad only.

After few patch see whether i still can go raid with ilvl 353 or not? sure not lor, that time more no place la (i think)






change realm need point i think, just login battle net acount and see the info (all the best to transfer)

This post has been edited by tcl_01: Jun 29 2011, 10:35 AM

then i think you should sit down n think why changing so many guild you still can't get a chance?

i'm not sure what you mean on chance?
did they invite you to the raid group and ask you to sit on the bench waiting for substitute?
or they totally didn't invite you to the raid group at all..

no matter which guild we go. before enter the raid group most of the new comer will be set as sub. unless they really short of man power

if you able to join into the raid group as substitute. what you need to do is patient. be prepared yourself with those boss guide, flask, high end enhance, high end jewel, food.
be prepare yourself what role you are playing, what are the key point for all the boss fight.

most of the player will think, no need to prepare this n that lar, raid leader will teach.
all the old member are eye on you. they will criticize you when you are doing wrongly, your raid leader are watching your skill, your reflection, your survivability.

just to share

a retribution paladin in a 25 man raid. is it normal? nope... most of the high end 25 Man Raid won't have a place Retribution Paladin, but protection n holy is yes. although my guild is not very high end, but still the leader for horde side at my server before we stop to continue raid progression.

i'm using retribution as my main talent to go for 25Man Raid from Normal to Heroic.
and i still can got a place until the guild raid stop raiding. my raid leader won't ask me to change to protection or holy.

i still remember the fist day i join this guild and i am also lucky to enter the raid just because someone need to offline. what i can say i have totally no idea with boss strategy, my taiwan friend just told me the key point, and i already can survive till the boss fight end, this boss is consider first down for this guild. from a new comer become a core member is just one step, a chance given, if you able to grab it. you do it well, the next day you will still be invited to the group

sorry lar , hidden i'm not intend to post any show off post on your thread ....


to tcl_01

i'm not sure whether you are tank/dps/heal

but i believe most of the time healer are the most welcome for raid group
i believe there are more guild recruit out there may be you could find some guild which currently recruiting for 25 man or 10 man, you can just ask to join

grab the chance when it in front on you prove your capability to the raid leader n member:)

good luck

got update for US servers ma ?

u got the point there... as all rounded role class, dps are not as good as other class like mage or hunter can hit 30 k yet we can hardly do 15k with full gear. the only way can survive in raiding is to have another spec to interchange during raiding

for example myself as balance druid as main and resto as second. so can interchange depends on what type of boss we are encounting.

my point is, you need to make yourself more sell able. everybody can do the job but its depends on u can offer more or not.

and reputation AMONG PLAYER are IMPORTANT. it may helps you more acceptable and achieve more....

yup like what you play your role in a company, if you able to offer more to the company, your boss won't say no to you they will be glad that you can commit more to the company.

back to wow is still apply to the same theory.

basically i seldom switch to tank unless that day which require more than 5 tank especially H 1st boss in twilight bastion

my dps seldom lower than top 10, still depend on the boss

yes. be ready for taiwan

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Added on June 29, 2011, 8:29 pm

No worry, good discussion.

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Added on June 29, 2011, 8:31 pmNot sure. Need to check.

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Added on June 29, 2011, 8:34 pmThank you Zepx and chc for input.

I agree with most of them.

tcl_01, try to chat with raid officer in guild, im sure they are willing to accept u into raid and give u a try.

This post has been edited by hidden830726: Jun 29 2011, 08:34 PM

raid is not an easy thing, if not fully prepared, ppl just going in & having wipefeast, for nothing. All i can say is, when the core raider also dont have confident on getting through without any problem, how they going to fetch new ppl inside ? First thing you need to know , this isn't a raid oriented guild, they are not hardcore raider.
For you tcl_01 my friend, had you ever been prepared ? do you know (at lease) how to fight 1st boss ? or you were hoping the other 9 ppl do all the job for you and you just waiting for drops ? To be frank, what make you special compare with other DPSER so the raid leader would take you ? in coffeenottea, they look at ilvl, so how was your ZA/ZG progression ? graduate ?

i think the portal need to set to US for the update

your priest also haven't pass my ZA/ZG ISO 9001, please practice more or u just stick with your mage and pally only while my warrior ding 85