You mean WITH cymbals?

Well, the Pork Pie throne is bleeding expensive.

Hmm.. I'm thinking about getting a 14x5 Vented Pork Pie myself this year

Hmm... Most new sets don't come with cymbals. you can check out the Pearl Soundcheck, and I could throw in a set of Zildjian ZBTs, Sabian SBRs or Meinl HCSs for you and a ride and a crash stand.

We don't talk much about Yamaha's cause they're pretty much above everyone's price range, but they're good.

Rudy of Pop Shuvit is selling is (Oak?) Custom at 9k.

The Stage Custom is good Its really good. But are you sure you want to invest so heavily so quickly?

I know a guy who bought a DW as his first kit (8k) and stopped after 6 months.

Here's my elaboration/formalization

Drums are extremely expensive, especially for beginners. Its not like guitars or keyboards, where you can get a starter pack for RM600 and below.

So lets pose these questions to ourselves before decide to invest in a drumset.


♦ Usage - What are you going to use the drum for? For playing at home, for jamming with your friends, for live shows or for recording?

In my own experience, I find that although certain drums/cymbals sound amazing live, they don't necessarily sound great when recorded. For example, my HHX hats sound good live and not so much in the studio, whereas my piccolo sounds great in the studio, with its distinctive crack, but not so much live.

Sure, all drums can be used anywhere and for a starter/semi pro it would not matter that much, which is why a versatile drum is important.

However, once you start recording or playing live, you may need to start collecting a variety of snares and cymbals, (especially as a studio drummer) and an array of different heads for different situations.

For another thing, what do you want in your set? Certain drummers are fine with a three piece set, but I know drummers who can only play with a double bass, and not a double kick.

IF you're going to record, do you have enough channels in your mixer to cover all your drums if you're using the May system and not the 2 overhead system.

• Practicality - Let's say you live in a condo with not much sound isolation, would it be more practical for you to buy an eight piece Yamaha Phoenix or a Tama Starclassic and just mute it, or would it make more sense for you to spend that RM20k on a Roland TD20-SX electric drumset.

Of course, that was just an example, and yes, if you do buy not for practicing purposes, but for gigging and recording (outside) its a totally different matter.

Anyway, I personally don't recommend beginners buying vintage drums and such, as parts in Malaysia are pretty hard to get and may take 2-3 months to arrive, which is 2-3 months less practice.


• Budget - Of course, I mentioned above that drums are expensive, therefore, its best to really look around and consider your options before actually settling down to a drumset.

For RM1-2k, your options are very much limited to the PDP Z5, and the Ludwig Accent, if you want to get cymbals added on for that price as well, so I usually don't recommend people those drumsets when they buy from yours truly.

Try saving up a little bit more to expand your options. From 2-3k, you'll start getting a bigger range, for example, the Imperialstar, the Vision, the Element (6 piece) and so on.

However, yes. Cymbals are expensive. RM800 and above is not so uncommon for handhammered cymbals (Soultone, TRX) and high end ones such as Zildjian A Customs and Sabian AAX/HHXs and they push down our limit a lot. So I suggest that, perhaps you start of with a B8 or ZBT set or a lower end set by a good manufacturer, then slowly incorporate more expensive cymbals as you continue playing.



I don't think you can, but do elaborate more


I used a Tama Superstar for recording a couple of times.

It depends actually, would you care to tell us exactly WHICH Superstar? The Hyperdrive, the Standard, the Custom etc. or would you like all?

After the weekend

She's wrong. Retail price is RM6k, which is why I can get it for you for RM5.3k.

The Yamaha Gigmaker is RM2.8k.

Even though I'm not AhBoy, I'll give a short explanation.

Some of the main differences are

- Type of wood. Take note that even though a low end drum may say they use maple, it may not be the same type of maple that is use in say for example, Tama Starclassics. Different maples, Canadian Maple, American Rock maple and Chinese maple have different tones, quality and durability.

- Mounting systems. The Tama Superstar Hyperdrive utilizes the StarCast mounting system that is used on the high end Starclassics, allowing for more sustain and more burst.

I'll elaborate more tomorrow as I have to go now. There are a few more points that I'll add in later on.

That would cost you about RM2.5-RM2.7k? Estimate. Could be less. But definitely not less than RM2.3k.


The Hyperdrive is the most common Superstar there is these days, the major differences are that, the Epic's bass drum sounds much bigger than the Superstar, and you get to tune more ranges, as the Hyperdrive toms are very shallow.

Soundwise, both are great, and the Superstar packs a real punch with snare, and the Ludwig toms just sound extremely musical.

I won't comment on the Epic snare, as I sold my Epic snare to Jimmy (of Tempered Mental) before I even tuned it.

The Ludwig, is much more value for money (at almost RM 800 cheaper) than the Superstar in my opinion, and the finishes are also much better.

Of course, the Superstar mounting system is the same one as the Starclassic one, but the Ludwig comes with extremely sturdy bronze hardware.

I've used both the Superstar and the Epic relatively much and while both are great drums for the price, I find the Ludwig just that little bit more musical, that little bit better looking, and that little bit more versatile than the Superstar.

I'll post my Epic review later on.


I believe it will be a good starter kit. Yamaha's quality control is really good, as well as their customer service, so you will be receiving a quality product.

Once you save up enough to change your heads, it will definitely sound better.

RM2.8k isn't including cymbals, but it includes hardware. Do PM me for a special price if you're interested.

Yamaha had two sales, this year and last year, twice each, where they cleared their Sabian stock. That's how I got my HHX hats for RM700 new No such thing anymore though

A few years back, Yamaha also found a whole set of about 100 Sabian AAs sitting in their warehouse and decided to clear them to their staff for about 50%-70% off.

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Added on December 6, 2010, 11:48 amAnd no, its virtually impossible to fake a cymbal. You can hear the tonal differences in different types of metal and the quality too.

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It depends on what item not for new items I'm afraid, but used, yes

Hmm.. I see. How about saving up for acoustic set by itself?

It looks real to me. My Stage hats have the same texture and all. Still, every cymbal sounds different. Don't just go and grab it cause its HHX.

Go and play it Bring a stick along, ride the bell for a while.



yes, I do And you can call me Isaac. xD

http://www.lpmusic.com/Product_Showcase/Congas/index.html

How about this?

Ahh.. I see. I'm not selling any of my personal drum equipment at the moment, so I haven't opened up a page.

As for new items, I usually get them pre-ordered from the music stores

I do sell used equipment But I don't have any used drums at the moment.

Who was it? xD

Has anyone used a subkick (like the Yamaha Subkick) before?

Useful?

Looks pretty interesting Are your cymbals included?

Hardware shops I use 3M earplugs. Reusable de. RM9.

You can also go to guitar collection and get the RM100 one lah

But honestly, the 3M ones are good enough

The orange ones are useful IF

1. The studio is small
2. If you just need to follow the bassist
3. If you're playing with a drum shield.

The fibreglass thing?

Also known as a drum screen.



Please quote me the price, thanks.